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LaTigresse -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 11:52:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 quote: ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Oh yeah they do, redheads (specially the dumb twat redheads) are typecast as ill tempered quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 i agree that that's not racist. i'm just saying it seems odd to me that culture alone would cause a country to notice black skin so much more than red hair. No one says that a person is "acting redheaded". (At least, i've never heard it). Maybe part of that is cultural, but i don't think it all is. Red haired people are traditionally seen as bad tempered. Not sure it there is any truth in it tho - perhaps it is associated with Celts who were seen as very warlike. Weirdly in England they have an issue with red haired people. One can hear terms like "ginger twat" bandied about a fair bit, e.g. it's a common term of endearment for Chris "Christ" Evans. i'm sorry, but i don't think that's a very strong example. i have never heard someone say that a person is "acting redheaded", but i've often heard it said that person is "acting black" or "acting white" or "not acting black" or "not acting white". i don't know whether they say the redheaded bit in England, but they don't say it here (at least, i've never heard it). My point was that Americans seem significantly more preoccupied with skin color than they are with hair color. Saying that red haired people are traditionally seen as bad tempered in some countries, is not the same thing as saying that in the U.S., the two have equal weight. pam Per the part I bolded........switch 'red' to blonde and consider for a moment. The Playboy empire and man that created it. Most of the entertainment modeling industry. The two words often together 'dumb blonde'. The phrase.....'having a blonde moment'. Blonde jokes. In studies, people will view the very same woman with blonde hair versus another colour of hair, as more attractive. They will also assume the very same woman with blonde hair is less intelligent, and an easier sexual conquest. Now don't get me wrong, I am not comparing racism to the blonde issue.......but the blonde thing does exist. I've heard/seen too much of it to believe otherwise. P.S. Pam......I was going to message you on the other side but can't. I just realized I've used several of your posts to make my points on a couple of threads. I don't want you to think I am picking on you because I'm not. It's just a co-ink-eee-dink![;)]

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 11:52:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Oh yeah they do, redheads (specially the dumb twat redheads) are typecast as ill tempered quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 i agree that that's not racist. i'm just saying it seems odd to me that culture alone would cause a country to notice black skin so much more than red hair. No one says that a person is "acting redheaded". (At least, i've never heard it). Maybe part of that is cultural, but i don't think it all is. pam Us dumb twat redheads are not ill tempered! You take that back or Ima gonna kick yer butt! &%$#@!*(^&%$ ;o)

gungadin09 -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 12:06:30 PM)
Okay, i've heard the blonde thing. But my point was that in the U.S., people are significantly more preocupied with skin color than hair color. And the fact that there are "dumb blonde" jokes, doesn't really discredit that point, in my opinion. i believe that America is a racist country. If You're right, it may also be a "hair-ist" country. pam

slvemike4u -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 12:45:25 PM)
This is really quite simple...we view ourselves as a nation of laws...and have gone to great lengths to ensure that everyone is equal under the law(of course we have not solved the inequity of money...which makes some more equal than others...but that is a different conversation)so if you follow that logic.....how can you say the "country" is racist. You keep coming back with individuals having a preoccupation with color...well under our system the fact of the matter is...a persons right to be a racist is actually protected,much as a persons right to be an asshole,is in fact,protected legally speaking. One can keep idiotic thoughts in their own minds and hearts....can choose to allow those idiotic thoughts to drive the way they live their lives.....right up to the point where it infringes on the rights of another. And that is where,and when,that effort to eliminate racism in the law...and in opportunity comes into play....so you can keep claiming that Americans are preoccupied with color,hell I might even agree with you(if we are talking about a percentage of,perhaps even a large percentage...but certainly not all)But you can not claim the Country ,as a whole,is racist....our laws preclude that. Once again I will give you a perfect example of what was a racist country...South Africa under apartheid .....Racism was embedded in the law of the land...racism actually dictated the fashioning of said laws....that was a COUNTRY that was racist. Americans(a significant number of) hold racist views.....the country outlawed racist policies years and years ago....now I have no hope at all that you will understand any of that,but I did think I would try once again.

Anaxagoras -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 1:47:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub quote: ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras A representation of the racist American male [image]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061226220945/uncyclopedia/images/7/71/Cletus.PNG[/image] (Disclaimer: a probable representation of Aneirin's views) I hope my cousin signed a waiver for you to use his pic! ;o) Some folks are racist, some folks ain't. That fact will never ever change. I tried to ask him for permission but quite frankly I couldn't get close enough with the bullets flying by! I considered safer methods of communication but apparently he doesn't have a phone line as the FBI would monitor it, and the postmen are weary of approaching too as several have disappeared in suspicious circumstances!

Anaxagoras -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 2:01:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 i don't know whether they say the redheaded bit in England, but they don't say it here (at least, i've never heard it). My point was that Americans seem significantly more preoccupied with skin color than they are with hair color. Saying that red haired people are traditionally seen as bad tempered in some countries, is not the same thing as saying that in the U.S., the two carry equal weight. True enough it isn't with reference to the US but it was more a bit of useless but interesting (IMHO) info. There seems to be some gingers in the US that have some beef about the attitude of others though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7DPZIMr-aM lol Believe me many in England and even in the media (in comedy etc.) talk about "gingers" in a very derisive context. Women often cite it as the reason they refuse to sleep with a man. Perhaps some of my English friends on here would care to back that assertion up but this help http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ginger%20twat quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 Okay, i've heard the blonde thing. But my point was that in the U.S., people are significantly more preocupied with skin color than hair color. And the fact that there are "dumb blonde" jokes, doesn't really discredit that point, in my opinion. i believe that America is a racist country. If You're right, it may also be a "hair-ist" country. pam I think that a preoccupation with race doesn't necessarily equate with racism. Rather its the consequences of a troubled recent past. In saying that I'm not asserting that racism is no longer an issue - clearly it still is - but I believe the US turned a critical corner from the 60's to the 90's where in a generation massive social transformation took place. Its a question of if racism defines the character of the nation. It did in the past but no longer in my personal view. The country is however still living with the consequences which explains the tip-toeing around the issue. I read that hair is perhaps a more relevant physical characteristic than skin colour for denoting race. Black people tend to have very frizzy hair, whilst whites have wavey sometimes curley hair and asians have very straight hair. I guess the only difference is that hair is less visually overt than skin tone which explains why people look at the skin tone first. The thing about hair colour is that it doesn't really denote race as red and blonde are both caucasoid (its more a sub group) but it does suggest there is a natural inclination to judge others on their features. quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse In studies, people will view the very same woman with blonde hair versus another colour of hair, as more attractive. They will also assume the very same woman with blonde hair is less intelligent, and an easier sexual conquest. Now don't get me wrong, I am not comparing racism to the blonde issue.......but the blonde thing does exist. I've heard/seen too much of it to believe otherwise. Indeed even brunettes have been known to say they have "blonde moments". I don't know about blondes being more sexually attractive though. Personally I find brunettes just as attractive! lol [:)]

gungadin09 -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 2:42:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u This is really quite simple...we view ourselves as a nation of laws...and have gone to great lengths to ensure that everyone is equal under the law... so how can you say the "country" is racist. Because the OP asked "is America a racist country?" without defining what a "racist country" is, and so each poster had to define it themselves. The confusion is because there are various ways to define it. Does "country", in this context, mean the laws of a country or the people of a country? If it's the laws, then you may be right. As far as i know, the last racist laws here were for Affirmative Action, in the '80s. If it's the people, then the question becomes how many racist people make a racist country? You keep coming back with individuals having a preoccupation with color...well under our system the fact of the matter is...a persons right to be a racist is actually protected,much as a persons right to be an asshole,is in fact,protected legally speaking. Being racist is legal, as long as all a person does is sit around thinking racist thoughts. But to behave as a racist, to discriminate based on race, in certain situations (such as assigning jobs or housing) is NOT legal. My point is that this excessive "preoccupation" with race is in fact racism, and that there are enough racist people in the U.S. to describe the country as racist. One can keep idiotic thoughts in their own minds and hearts....can choose to allow those idiotic thoughts to drive the way they live their lives.....right up to the point where it infringes on the rights of another. And that is where,and when,that effort to eliminate racism in the law...and in opportunity comes into play. It's true that the country can't outlaw racism until the point at which it becomes a behavior. ...so you can keep claiming that Americans are preoccupied with color,hell I might even agree with you(if we are talking about a percentage of,perhaps even a large percentage...but certainly not all) ...i never claimed that it was all. But you can not claim the Country ,as a whole,is racist....our laws preclude that. i can claim that because my definition of "country" (in this context) is different than yours. You apparently believe that the word "country" in the OP refers to the country's laws. i believe it refers to the country's people. Americans(a significant number of) hold racist views.....the country outlawed racist policies years and years ago....now I have no hope at all that you will understand any of that,but I did think I would try once again. Actually, i do understand what you said. It's just that i think you have mis-defined a critical term in the OP. pam

marti200965 -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 2:46:38 PM)
I sat and read those posts and was totally agreeing Didn't even think about the blonde angle But then again, I'm a blonde, so what do you expect?

marti200965 -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 2:49:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 Okay, i've heard the blonde thing. But my point was that in the U.S., people are significantly more preocupied with skin color than hair color. And the fact that there are "dumb blonde" jokes, doesn't really discredit that point, in my opinion. i believe that America is a racist country. If You're right, it may also be a "hair-ist" country. pam I think the US is preoccupied with race, but it seems more geared towards counting minorities and the taxes and credits that have to be figured out. I see a lot more tolerance than I did many yeares ago and looking at other countries I don't see that we are as terrible as others make us out to be.

slvemike4u -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 3:22:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u This is really quite simple...we view ourselves as a nation of laws...and have gone to great lengths to ensure that everyone is equal under the law... so how can you say the "country" is racist. Because the OP asked "is America a racist country?" without defining what a "racist country" is, and so each poster had to define it themselves. The confusion is because there are various ways to define it. Does "country", in this context, mean the laws of a country or the people of a country? If it's the laws, then you may be right. As far as i know, the last racist laws here were for Affirmative Action, in the '80s. If it's the people, then the question becomes how many racist people make a racist country? You keep coming back with individuals having a preoccupation with color...well under our system the fact of the matter is...a persons right to be a racist is actually protected,much as a persons right to be an asshole,is in fact,protected legally speaking. Being racist is legal, as long as all a person does is sit around thinking racist thoughts. But to behave as a racist, to discriminate based on race, in certain situations (such as assigning jobs or housing) is NOT legal. My point is that this excessive "preoccupation" with race is in fact racism, and that there are enough racist people in the U.S. to describe the country as racist. One can keep idiotic thoughts in their own minds and hearts....can choose to allow those idiotic thoughts to drive the way they live their lives.....right up to the point where it infringes on the rights of another. And that is where,and when,that effort to eliminate racism in the law...and in opportunity comes into play. It's true that the country can't outlaw racism until the point at which it becomes a behavior. ...so you can keep claiming that Americans are preoccupied with color,hell I might even agree with you(if we are talking about a percentage of,perhaps even a large percentage...but certainly not all) ...i never claimed that it was all. But you can not claim the Country ,as a whole,is racist....our laws preclude that. i can claim that because my definition of "country" (in this context) is different than yours. You apparently believe that the word "country" in the OP refers to the country's laws. i believe it refers to the country's people. Americans(a significant number of) hold racist views.....the country outlawed racist policies years and years ago....now I have no hope at all that you will understand any of that,but I did think I would try once again. Actually, i do understand what you said. It's just that i think you have mis-defined a critical term in the OP. pam Italicized section......I disagree....if the OP wanted ,or intended,to discuss racists in America he should have stated so rather than ask this: "is America a racist country" It is still my contention that a "country" is defined by its laws and the implementation of same. You seem to be defining it by looking at the extremes...rather than at the will of the people as a collective...which is reflected by our laws.

pahunkboy -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 5:39:28 PM)
I dont think hair color discrimination in the US is on the radar of too many people here.

kdsub -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 5:48:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 Okay, i've heard the blonde thing. But my point was that in the U.S., people are significantly more preocupied with skin color than hair color. And the fact that there are "dumb blonde" jokes, doesn't really discredit that point, in my opinion. i believe that America is a racist country. If You're right, it may also be a "hair-ist" country. pam Maybe it is just me but I am more concerned about how someone sounds and acts than the color of their skin... Otherwise skin color means nothing if the persons sounds and acts like me. I am being honest I wonder how many of you are? We are creatures that can’t help but discriminate against others who sound or act differently…even if it is only politics…or this thread...or sexual orientation…on and on…it is just the way we are. Butch

Edwynn -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 8:52:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam We in the US are no more racist than most countries and a HELL of a lot less racist than some (Including industrialized countries). That's true... and the answer is still "yes". pam You need to go into more detail on this. I don't mean from afar perception or vicarious readings or some such, I mean personal everyday, that is, everyday experience that would relate to the audience here and abroad that would explain to all the world how this country is a "racist country", across the board, in every capacity, in every region., in every manner. Especially as to your own r/l experience in this matter, let us all in on it. Please do. And then how this deep and r/l exposure to such, as when and how you grew up in the midst of such diversity and the local struggle to attain it was a part of your growing up, as is apparent by your strong statements. I was aware of this as being an actual struggle for Bostonians some time ago, but they never saw the first black person until the court ordered them to do so. If you are trying to get an easy out because the court did not order you to think about it first, write your paper elsewhere, but cut the crap when a clue is not in hand. ( I understand that there is no law regarding when young white people are allowed to see black people in the Midwest, the far west, the NE (the most "progressive" part of the country), etc. being as that no such law would be possibly realistically enforced, reality having any say in the matter). Academia accepts such crap, but I don't. Know what you are talking about, in real terms, or go away.

Edwynn -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 8:58:26 PM)
Can't wait to hear all this, myself.

rulemylife -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 9:29:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Maybe it is just me but I am more concerned about how someone sounds and acts than the color of their skin... Otherwise skin color means nothing if the persons sounds and acts like me. I am being honest I wonder how many of you are? We are creatures that can’t help but discriminate against others who sound or act differently…even if it is only politics…or this thread...or sexual orientation…on and on…it is just the way we are. Butch Well Butch, a big part of the problem is the acceptance of it you just voiced.

TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/25/2011 11:46:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 Okay, i've heard the blonde thing. But my point was that in the U.S., people are significantly more preocupied with skin color than hair color. And the fact that there are "dumb blonde" jokes, doesn't really discredit that point, in my opinion. i believe that America is a racist country. If You're right, it may also be a "hair-ist" country. pam Maybe it is just me but I am more concerned about how someone sounds and acts than the color of their skin... Otherwise skin color means nothing if the persons sounds and acts like me. I am being honest I wonder how many of you are? We are creatures that can’t help but discriminate against others who sound or act differently…even if it is only politics…or this thread...or sexual orientation…on and on…it is just the way we are. Butch A man named Butch wearing a skirt is concerned if others don't look and act like him... is this satire? Every person is born racist according to studies. There's an innate, tribe-orientated nature. Whether that becomes hate is a product of nurture. America is no more racist a country than any other... well, some others. Just pick your demographics and avoid the red states. When you hear someone mention that "the South will rise again" cover your ears.

SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/26/2011 12:12:51 AM)
[;)] It's kool Hlen5. M

hlen5 -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/26/2011 12:18:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW [;)] It's kool Hlen5. M I had to follow the quotes backwards to remember what I posted!!

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/26/2011 12:55:14 AM)
less so, IMO, than the UK is a Jew-hating country.

Politesub53 -> RE: Is America a racist country ? (3/26/2011 3:45:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster less so, IMO, than the UK is a Jew-hating country. Obnoxious bullshit HK. IMO.

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