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pahunkboy -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/26/2011 7:25:52 PM)
I know you guys have your players- teams here.. but the thing to watch is the exchange rates between the USD and CAD.... as well as fluxutations will all major currencies.. the speculators prey on this... and "this" very well could be your retirement fund.

Brain -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/26/2011 7:34:03 PM)
Usually the Canadian dollar goes up and down with the price of oil. It's been doing better recently with the fighting in Libya and Wall Street speculation driving up the price of oil.

Arpig -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/26/2011 7:54:22 PM)
~FR~ I am surprised at the vehemence of the hatred for Harper. Myself I don't like the guy, but I don't see him as some sort of evil incarnate. Seems to me that Canadian politics is getting too Americanized. Its a development I don't approve of personally, but I'm sure the world is deeply underwhelmed by that fact.

pahunkboy -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/26/2011 8:26:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig ~FR~ I am surprised at the vehemence of the hatred for Harper. Myself I don't like the guy, but I don't see him as some sort of evil incarnate. Seems to me that Canadian politics is getting too Americanized. Its a development I don't approve of personally, but I'm sure the world is deeply underwhelmed by that fact. That is NOT good. We are pretty much a circus here.

kissheels -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 3:34:02 AM)
harper is evil, only thing he cares about is alberta oil, and screws the rest of the country, he lies through his teeth, now hes bitching about a possible coalition when in 2004 he signed a document stating he wanted a coalition if Martin lost a vote of confidence in the house, when he was confreonted yesterday about this he had his people push away the journalists asking about it. just a power hungry its all about him, NOT CANADA!!!!

pahunkboy -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 6:22:03 AM)
The other thing is that government dissolving seems to be a parliamentary thing- where as we have a congress- the US govt simply does not "dissolve". So the notion is foreign to US folks... who are myopic for the most part.

Lucylastic -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 6:35:32 AM)
Im pretty pissed that we are having the fourth election in sevenyears, all that money down the drain just to register the fact that the tories are a bunch of wankers.

kissheels -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 7:34:36 AM)
yes Lucy i agree $300 million to get back to where we were, in deep shit with the torys, this money could be spent do do alot of good for the Canadian people

mcbride -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 9:15:44 AM)
But, Lucy...can something so small turn square? Gerard's a good guy. I dealt with him quite a bit when he was still at Edmonton's Food Bank. He'd be my pick to replace Iggy. Prediction? It's gloomy. Harper and the fellas forced this because they saw that a ten point lead was probably as good as it's gonna get, and that's shockingly close to majority territory. And alas, NDP gains always come from the Libs, and that just gets Harper his majority. (Cue the debate on strategic voting) Mais oui! Rapporter les petit gars de Shawinigan.

Lucylastic -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 9:29:17 AM)
Ulcerating bollocks would be nice, no matter how small :) McBride, nice to see you back Agree with you about Gerard :) Id vote for him. They need to find someone better than Iggy tho, he really is a liability.

kissheels -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 4:43:33 PM)
A little more than a Month of lies and empty promises (most from the torys) heres to ya steven [sm=fingers.gif]

Arpig -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 5:15:01 PM)
quote: harper is evil, only thing he cares about is alberta oil, and screws the rest of the country, he lies through his teeth, now hes bitching about a possible coalition when in 2004 he signed a document stating he wanted a coalition if Martin lost a vote of confidence in the house, when he was confreonted yesterday about this he had his people push away the journalists asking about it. just a power hungry its all about him, NOT CANADA!!!! Evil? Dude you really need to look that word up in the dictionary. Harper has been a pretty decent PM. Canada weathered the recession & financial meltdown (never actually happened here) better than most industrialized countries, and he has held in check the social agenda of his more rabid backbenchers. Gays can still marry, you can still freely butt fuck the partner of your choice, and health care is still in place. All he care about is Alberta oil? No. Sure he's beholden to the oil interests, but so is every Alberta politicians (the lumbermen own the BC ones, the grain farmers those from Saskatchewan, and so on...every politician is owned by some powerful interest...I'd think that in all your years you would have come to accept that fact as just the way things are). And of course he lies, they all do. Politicians lie all the time...its part and parcel of the profession. I don't like it, but I understand it is the nature of the beast. His lies have, so far, been minor. His government relatively scandal free, and his policies pretty moderate. As for the coalition idea, well he would have been an idiot not to consider it back then, and he'd be an idiot not to try demonize it now. These are time-honoured tactics of the parliamentary system. Do you really expect him to say the idea of a coalition to unseat him is a good idea? Please try to be reasonable. And power hungry? And you think Jean Chretien wasn't power hungry? Pierre Trudeau? It requires a power hungry person to manage to get to the top in politics...its a difficult and brutal business and without that drive for power, he'd have given up years ago. And I disagree as well that he doesn't care about Canada...he clearly cares deeply. Look, I don't like the guy, and I'm not going to vote for his party (NDP all the way...though I might vote Socialist this time, if they run a decent person in my riding). I hope he is defeated, but please, lets drop the inane overly emotional ranting. What specific policies of his do you dislike? P.S. Pretty much the same anti-rant goes out to Lucy.

Arpig -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 5:20:49 PM)
quote: The other thing is that government dissolving seems to be a parliamentary thing- where as we have a congress- the US govt simply does not "dissolve". So the notion is foreign to US folks... who are myopic for the most part. OK Hunky, let me clarify. The government doesn't dissolve...parliament does. the government (defined as the Prime Minister and his ministers) continues to govern through till the election. And Parliament dissolving does not mean that we have no representatives, our members continue to sit through till the election as well. What it means is that the present Parliament now has a specific date on which its mandate will end. In Canada, a Parliament is elected for an indefinite term (though there is a maximum of 5 years), and the dissolution of a given Parliament only means that that particular one is at an end, and a new one must be elected. Hope that sort of clears things up for you.

Arpig -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 5:28:52 PM)
quote: They need to find someone better than Iggy tho, he really is a liability. Yeah. I agree. the guy is a non-starter for me as well. Layton too. All in all we are being presented a pretty lame set of choices, Harper included. The only leader that commands any real respect from me these days is Duceppe. If he'd just drop the seperatiste crap I'd have no trouble voting for him. In fact every so often I email his office congratulating him on some statement or policy position telling him to do just that. I get very polite replies telling me that while Mr. Duceppe appreciates my view, he is still not willing to drop that part of his platform. Its sort of a running joke between me and his staffers. They know me. Sorry for the drift there. Iggy is the most likely reason Harper will get in again, though Harper himself is why it will be a minority.

Arpig -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 5:33:48 PM)
quote: Prediction? It's gloomy. Harper and the fellas forced this because they saw that a ten point lead was probably as good as it's gonna get, and that's shockingly close to majority territory. And alas, NDP gains always come from the Libs, and that just gets Harper his majority. (Cue the debate on strategic voting) I still think that Harper himself is enough of a liability that he can't pull off a majority. However he is doing a good enough job as a caretaker that he'll likely get in. There just isn't anybody else really. And your right about NDP gains being Liberal losses, but the way I see it, that's OK. I would be very comfortable with a decade or so of Grit/NDP coalitions.

pahunkboy -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 5:35:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: The other thing is that government dissolving seems to be a parliamentary thing- where as we have a congress- the US govt simply does not "dissolve". So the notion is foreign to US folks... who are myopic for the most part. OK Hunky, let me clarify. The government doesn't dissolve...parliament does. the government (defined as the Prime Minister and his ministers) continues to govern through till the election. And Parliament dissolving does not mean that we have no representatives, our members continue to sit through till the election as well. What it means is that the present Parliament now has a specific date on which its mandate will end. In Canada, a Parliament is elected for an indefinite term (though there is a maximum of 5 years), and the dissolution of a given Parliament only means that that particular one is at an end, and a new one must be elected. Hope that sort of clears things up for you. Congress could take a break... they keep "fixing" things which only makes them worse. BTW- the financial crises is not fixed. Tho Canada could be a good shape- well better then the US- but the system has NOT BEEN FIXED. Nor will it be.

kissheels -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 5:49:24 PM)
ok maybe evil is a big word but.... never heard of Jean Chretien wanted to change "canada goverment" to "chretien goverment", his lies are minor ones?? dude a lie IS a lie!!!!!!! and scandal free?????? ""But yesterday, a survey released by the newspaper ‘The Globe and Mail noted that Canadians have begun to lose confidence in Harper, after a series of ethical scandals that have plagued his government in recent weeks . On the one hand, two conservative senators and two senior party officials are being investigated by authorities for alleged electoral fraud in 2006, when Harper came to power for the first time. Other prominent conservatives are also being investigated by the police to censor public documents"". Addition, the hitherto International Cooperation Minister Harper, Bev Oda, was being investigated for contempt and for lying to Parliament. Finally, a former adviser to Harper is being investigated by police for allegedly using his political influence to try to get contracts for his girlfriend, a former prostitute from Ottawa. are those things minor as well dude???

Arpig -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 6:07:33 PM)
quote: are those things minor as well dude??? Yes actually. A few individual corrupt politicians is nothing new. Think back to the Mulrooney years...that was worse. So what policies of his do you object to?

pahunkboy -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 6:09:53 PM)
It seems so sudden. Do you have proportional voting like Ireland?

Arpig -> RE: Election time in Canada...again (3/27/2011 6:27:19 PM)
No. First past the post. there have been various suggestions for it, but none have taken off. Myself, I think I'm content with the system as it is...the various PR schemes always seem to put too much power into the hands of the parties and not with the voters.

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