Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy.

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DarkSteven -> Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 6:52:01 AM)
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2061106,00.html One point that he makes is that the US is not used to being in the driver's seat. Obama has firmly kept us out of that. Europe initiated the response, the Arab League endorsed it (but began having second thoughts next day),and the US simply supported the actions. As Fareed says, there are some politicos that are upset that the US isn't leading, but it sure makes it easier to get out.

Sanity -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 7:16:03 AM)
So we are going to help affect regime change without taking responsibility for any really nasty mess that might develop due to the inevitable power vacuum once Gadaffi is gone.

mnottertail -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 7:20:16 AM)
Sorta like Iraq?

Sanity -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 7:22:28 AM)
The exact opposite of Iraq if you think about it. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Sorta like Iraq?

mnottertail -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 7:24:03 AM)
So, BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS WAR, how about you tell us how to pay for Iraq and Afghanistan, first, then Libya secondarily.

Sanity -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 7:25:39 AM)
How about you have some ginseng tea or something. calm down a little bit then try for a more sensible discussion. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail So, BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS WAR, how about you tell us how to pay for Iraq and Afghanistan, first, then Libya secondarily.

mnottertail -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 7:27:30 AM)
How about you do that. I'm calm, always am. Sensible is not your forte. How are you paying for our god given right to bring enlightenment to the democratically afflicted?

Sanity -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 7:30:02 AM)
Sorry mnot, Im not going to spend my day arguing with a turd bucket quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail How about you do that. I'm calm, always am. Sensible is not your forte. How are you paying for our god given right to bring enlightenment to the democratically afflicted?

mnottertail -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 7:47:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Sorry mnot, Im not going to spend my day arguing with a turd bucket quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail How about you do that. I'm calm, always am. Sensible is not your forte. How are you paying for our god given right to bring enlightenment to the democratically afflicted? You are the Rush Felcher, I am pretty sure you suck enough ass as it is, don't need another helping. So, I will take your informed opinion as expertise on that subject, shit eater.

MrRodgers -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 8:11:30 AM)
Well Bush & Co. reflecting their overall incompetence will have Afghan. and Iraq go down as two of the most bumbled, extended intentionally long term fiascoes in American military and foreign policy history. It going to be all but impossible to match those unnecessary wars for profit and hegemony. So now we have the partisan, hypocritical Monday quarterbacking by the right. It would be funny if not so tragic. Obama knows that after Bush, the US cannot yet again so soon...act unilaterally (coalitions ? hardly) and must allow these uprisings to be seen as wholly home grown. All of this crap about the French 'leading' and the UK jumping on being a problem is obviously partisan ridiculousness because the US is forced, thanx to Bush, to make clear this is not simply just...a US action. That's too difficult for the knee-jerk warmongers to understand but this Lybia mission cannot have the superpowers' finger prints all over it.

Sanity -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 8:22:02 AM)
You know that when you write *& co, the & co would include 99% of Democrats who voted for and argued for and voted to fund and who are now running both of those wars. And not incidentally its highly ironic to see an Obama supporting leftist trying to cast aspersions on so-called 'warmongers' as Obama commits our military to intervene in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation which poses no imminent threat to the U.S. Its also fun to note that there were a lot more coalition members in Bushs coalition than there are in Obamas, and without the Superpowers fingerprints all over it it couldnt even happen quote:* ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Well Bush & Co. reflecting their overall incompetence will have Afghan. and Iraq go down as two of the most bumbled, extended intentionally long term fiascoes in American military and foreign policy history. It going to be all but impossible to match those unnecessary wars for profit and hegemony. So now we have the partisan, hypocritical Monday quarterbacking by the right. It would be funny if not so tragic. Obama knows that after Bush, the US cannot yet again so soon...act unilaterally (coalitions ? hardly) and must allow these uprisings to be seen as wholly home grown. All of this crap about the French 'leading' and the UK jumping on being a problem is obviously partisan ridiculousness because the US is forced, thanx to Bush, to make clear this is not simply just...a US action. That's too difficult for the knee-jerk warmongers to understand but this Lybia mission cannot have the superpowers' finger prints all over it.

DarkSteven -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 8:47:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity So we are going to help affect regime change without taking responsibility for any really nasty mess that might develop due to the inevitable power vacuum once Gadaffi is gone. You're missing the point. We have classically had two responses - ignore, and jump in completely. Obama's response is to ASSIST in a multinational effort. He's also made no secret that the US involvement will not last long. Your response indicates that you think America should call the shots and singlehandedly drive things. We're in a supporting role. We're not the star of this one.

DomKen -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 8:51:33 AM)
Sanity complained that we didn't act sooner, then complained that we were acting at all and now whines that we aren't the ones in charge. He either doesn't understand the hypocrisy of his statements or he simply doesn't care.

mnottertail -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 8:51:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity You know that when you write *& co*, the & co would include 99% of Democrats who voted for and argued for and voted to fund and who are now running both of those wars. And not incidentally its highly ironic to see an Obama supporting leftist trying to cast aspersions on so-called 'warmongers' as Obama commits our military to intervene in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation which poses no imminent threat to the U.S. Its also fun to note that there were a lot more coalition members in Bushs coalition than there are in Obamas, and without the Superpowers fingerprints all over it it couldnt even happen para 1. They voted for in good faith, and it turns out there was none. para 2. At least he didnt invade Iraq on lies and deceptions, and commit our blood and our treasury for personal gains. para 3. the coalition of the coerced (if you would care to research reality). Nice set of lies, half-truths, and downright horseshit.

Sanity -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 9:19:06 AM)
No, not true. Think about our role in Afghanistan when the Soviets were trying to annex it. DomKen to this day likes to rail against Oba, er, Reagan for that episode. quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven You're missing the point. We have classically had two responses - ignore, and jump in completely. Obama's response is to ASSIST in a multinational effort. He's also made no secret that the US involvement will not last long. Your response indicates that you think America should call the shots and singlehandedly drive things. We're in a supporting role. We're not the star of this one.

Sanity -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 9:24:02 AM)
There is no hypocrisy on my part you simply fail to understand my argument(s). If we were to act the time would have been prior to the rebels being decimated, if we are to act we should do so decisively and behind strong leadership as opposed to some divided political committee. Is that clear enough for you? quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Sanity complained that we didn't act sooner, then complained that we were acting at all and now whines that we aren't the ones in charge. He either doesn't understand the hypocrisy of his statements or he simply doesn't care.

Moonhead -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 9:31:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No, not true. Think about our role in Afghanistan when the Soviets were trying to annex it. DomKen to this day likes to rail against Oba, er, Reagan for that episode. So who are the Islamicist terrorists in Libya you're providing with arms and CIA training, then?

mnottertail -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 9:35:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No, not true. Think about our role in Afghanistan when the Soviets were trying to annex it. The soviets were not trying to annex Afghanistan, but we were trying to annex the entire persian gulf, you can check some of St. Wrinklemeat's speeches for that bit of info, you are not going to hear it thru your sucking straw.

Sanity -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 9:56:27 AM)
This post takes the cake, while absolutely worshipping at the shrine of yesteryears supposedly kind and caring Supreme Soviet leaders... you absolutely hate past American presidents simply because their ideology differes from your own Stalinist leanings quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The soviets were not trying to annex Afghanistan, but we were trying to annex the entire persian gulf, you can check some of St. Wrinklemeat's speeches for that bit of info, you are not going to hear it thru your sucking straw.

Moonhead -> RE: Fareed Zakariah on Obama's Libya strategy. (3/25/2011 10:02:05 AM)
When did he say he was a Stalinist?

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