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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:18:31 AM   
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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:19:52 AM   
Sanity


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Forget the UN mandates for a moment, read what you posted five minutes ago.

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Mike, why participate and persist in the falsehood that this is just an innocent "no-fly zone.?" We are sending in AC-130's. Those don't really "do" other aircraft.

This is how they roll. (the mayhem starts at about 4 minutes)


Come on Rich,you are better than this....you must know a NFZ can not be prosecuted without suppressing the air defense capabilities of the intended zone.
Now is that not,by definition, going to be messy...of course it is.Was that not fully disclosed(to those that needed clarification) before hand by Gates ? Sure it was....so why the false "surprise' that there are strikes against ground facilities?



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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:24:13 AM   
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Video - RAF Tornado jet destroys Libyan tanks

Since when did tanks fly, or shoot down aircraft?





Come on Sanity, credibility is a mother fucker to maintain when you are arguing against the very things you supported in the past for other conflicts.

It is more than possible these tanks shot at the aircraft with heavy machine gun fire therefore putting it into the realm of engagable targets.

Personally I'd have to see the "rules of engagement" SOP before knowing for sure, but going on past experience......

Just saying.



PS.....this is amazing....this is the same argument that was made here prior to and during the Iraq conflict....It's just that the SP's and the Neos are on opposite sides of the fence from their previous position.

This could define hard line hypocracy...

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:31:12 AM   
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Come on bull, are you trying to argue that tanks fly, or that Ive ever posted that they do?

Sorry but you dont have a clue what I am arguing, youre just making baseless assumptions.


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Video - RAF Tornado jet destroys Libyan tanks

Since when did tanks fly, or shoot down aircraft?





Come on Sanity, credibility is a mother fucker to maintain when you are arguing against the very things you supported in the past for other conflicts.

It is more than possible these tanks shot at the aircraft with heavy machine gun fire therefore putting it into the realm of engagable targets.

Personally I'd have to see the "rules of engagement" SOP before knowing for sure, but going on past experience......

Just saying.



PS.....this is amazing....this is the same argument that was made here prior to and during the Iraq conflict....It's just that the SP's and the Neos are on opposite sides of the fence from their previous position.

This could define hard line hypocracy...


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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:33:19 AM   
xBullx


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I believe Obama was railroaded by the world Aristocracies, the money people from the western world, namely BP and the British Puppeteers into having to support this "no fly zo", ahhh fuck, this conflict.

Now we're in there and we need to just do it. But we also need to do it right, I would hope we have learned from our own past conflicts in the Middle East as well as with the one that Russia had.

I hope one day we can be a country of our word, and that word being, don't piss in my dirt and I won't turn your sand to glass.

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:45:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Forget the UN mandates for a moment, read what you posted five minutes ago.

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Mike, why participate and persist in the falsehood that this is just an innocent "no-fly zone.?" We are sending in AC-130's. Those don't really "do" other aircraft.

This is how they roll. (the mayhem starts at about 4 minutes)


Come on Rich,you are better than this....you must know a NFZ can not be prosecuted without suppressing the air defense capabilities of the intended zone.
Now is that not,by definition, going to be messy...of course it is.Was that not fully disclosed(to those that needed clarification) before hand by Gates ? Sure it was....so why the false "surprise' that there are strikes against ground facilities?


How does that mandate contradict what I posted sanity....Seems the UN has decided(and declared) that they are to protect civilians against what they have termed a genocidal action on behalf of Libyan forces.
Are you disputing G.B.'s right to accomplish such a mission is whatever manner they should choose.
As far as I know U.S forces are solely involved in prosecuting the NFZ


p.s If the dancing and border line spinning upsets you...please recognize that this is the sort of tactic you employ on a regular basis 


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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:53:55 AM   
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Come on bull, are you trying to argue that tanks fly, or that Ive ever posted that they do?

Sorry but you dont have a clue what I am arguing, youre just making baseless assumptions.




Actually Sanity (note that I am respectful enough to recognize you personally and am not disrespectfull or lazy enough to leave your name lower case, that is normally a childish liberal namecalling tactic) I am not saying tanks fly, but it was stated that anti aircraft weapons would be eliminated, hense my posotion towards the tank.

And yes I do believe I have a clue as to your political wrangling, you're weaving spin on this disaster for political advantage. Hey I think this President is a terrible CINC, and his blunders are starting to make Bush's look miniscule by comparison.

But argue solid points, he shouldn't be deferring to the Europeans just to seem less envolved, hell the whole world knows the majority of the assets there are ours. He was trying to use this conflict as a way of showing he could create a coalition of forces and not have to go it alone, he was trying to upstage Bush and those that came before him, and all he's managed to do is get us into another mess that someone else bested him in. The Brits and BP wanted this, they are the ones that stand to benefit the most or loose the most.... (But this is just my assumption, so you are right in that, I have assumptions, as do the rest of you.)

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:55:01 AM   
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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:56:30 AM   
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Read the mandate sanity...it will clarify issues for you.




Mike, does it say anywhere in the "mandate" who's going to be paying for all this?

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:57:04 AM   
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Its as simple as this mike, you posted  that we are just "prosecuting a NFZ" Rich called your bullshit, you came back and claimed that the only ground attacks were against antiaircraft installations and I called your bullshit on that.







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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 11:58:56 AM   
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Youre missing the context of the thread. "polite" sub was insinuating that he had explained the UN mandate to me repeatedly, which is a lie.


Sure about that?  Because as you yourself pointed out you have memory problems concerning post.

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 12:02:08 PM   
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How does that mandate contradict what I posted sanity....Seems the UN has decided(and declared) that they are to protect civilians against what they have termed a genocidal action on behalf of Libyan forces.
Are you disputing G.B.'s right to accomplish such a mission is whatever manner they should choose.
As far as I know U.S forces are solely involved in prosecuting the NFZ


p.s If the dancing and border line spinning upsets you...please recognize that this is the sort of tactic you employ on a regular basis 




The same goes here Mike ( I hope you don't mind my calling you Mike) We are in the conflict. A debate on semantics only serves the purpose of politicians and their shady hand washing of actions.

This fucktard in Lybia has pissed in the face of the western world way to often and now he stood to cost us all boat loads of money. This was an action of interests, nothing more, they can call it a humanitarian action till their pink, we aren't that stupid are we. I just hope we have a plan for the end game unlike the one we had in Iraq. What is that saying about not little a good crisis go to waste.....

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 12:02:36 PM   
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Okay, so just a broad baseless smear, as I suspected.

Thanks for clearing that up.

quote:

And yes I do believe I have a clue as to your political wrangling, you're weaving spin on this disaster for political advantage. Hey I think this President is a terrible CINC, and his blunders are starting to make Bush's look miniscule by comparison.





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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 12:03:06 PM   
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Its as simple as this mike, you posted  that we are just "prosecuting a NFZ" Rich called your bullshit, you came back and claimed that the only ground attacks were against antiaircraft installations and I called your bullshit on that.






Are you claiming I have been involved in spinning...or of moving the goalposts a bit?
Sort of sucks......doesn't it?


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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 12:03:13 PM   
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We're overdue for another Troop Surge.


That does seem to help with unemployment numbers...

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 12:04:39 PM   
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Read the mandate sanity...it will clarify issues for you.




Mike, does it say anywhere in the "mandate" who's going to be paying for all this?


Now this is an excellent point for conversation...


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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 12:06:50 PM   
Sanity


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And you, you never post on topic. Why not. Not enough brains? Too cowardly to take a stand on anything? Or are you just the type who is so insecure that you can only feel a little better about yourself if youre trying to tear other people down while hiding behind your monitor.


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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
Youre missing the context of the thread. "polite" sub was insinuating that he had explained the UN mandate to me repeatedly, which is a lie.


Sure about that?  Because as you yourself pointed out you have memory problems concerning post.



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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 12:09:19 PM   
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Doing one of the things I do best, I am embarrassing leftists by laying down the facts and calling them on their ignorance and their lies.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its as simple as this mike, you posted  that we are just "prosecuting a NFZ" Rich called your bullshit, you came back and claimed that the only ground attacks were against antiaircraft installations and I called your bullshit on that.






Are you claiming I have been involved in spinning...or of moving the goalposts a bit?
Sort of sucks......doesn't it?



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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 12:09:39 PM   
slvemike4u


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How does that mandate contradict what I posted sanity....Seems the UN has decided(and declared) that they are to protect civilians against what they have termed a genocidal action on behalf of Libyan forces.
Are you disputing G.B.'s right to accomplish such a mission is whatever manner they should choose.
As far as I know U.S forces are solely involved in prosecuting the NFZ


p.s If the dancing and border line spinning upsets you...please recognize that this is the sort of tactic you employ on a regular basis 




The same goes here Mike ( I hope you don't mind my calling you Mike) We are in the conflict. A debate on semantics only serves the purpose of politicians and their shady hand washing of actions.

This fucktard in Lybia has pissed in the face of the western world way to often and now he stood to cost us all boat loads of money. This was an action of interests, nothing more, they can call it a humanitarian action till their pink, we aren't that stupid are we. I just hope we have a plan for the end game unlike the one we had in Iraq. What is that saying about not little a good crisis go to waste.....
No,Bull I'm fine with you referring to me by the name my mother gave me....lol.
However I do object to the characterization of my(I don't mean personally...more in the sense of,how did you refer to it earlier...a"childish liberal" pov )position being hypocritical.
I dispute that waging an invasion of Iraq,in a futile search for WMD,has any equivalency with responding to an earnest request for humanitarian aid by prosecuting a NFZ in Libya.Understanding that these situations are in fact different...goes a long way to understanding how someone of honest and honorable beliefs can have different views concerning the two separate events.


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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/26/2011 12:11:00 PM   
xBullx


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Okay, so just a broad baseless smear, as I suspected.

Thanks for clearing that up.



Are you just practicing on being a politician or what.... If I'm getting it wrong, please explain, hell I don't want to be wrong, I'm not attacking you, I'm challanging what I believe to be your point. If I'm wrong I have no problem acknowledging it. But implying I'm smearing you just because you say so comes off as insecure and unfounded.

Help me understand, the possibility exists that you yourself could be the reason I'm not grasping your point.

Thanks for any help you are willing to offer.






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