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popeye1250 -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 2:26:07 PM)
Mike, adress my points if you think I'm wrong.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 2:27:35 PM)
We've already gone over this. Do you want me to go pull the post? I have somewhere to go right now, but I can get it all lined out for you later. Of course you keep claiming you don't remember any of this. You were so concerned that Obama wasn't acting soon enough and all of these poor people were going to die. Now Obama is keeping terrorist alive. Flip Flop Flip Flop

Sanity -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 2:31:14 PM)
Here is the main point, Lib Dems went apoplectic over the mention that we were helping the Iraqi people. They dragged out and harped on every reason imaginable why it was "impeachable" or "war crimes" for the U.S. to do so, everyone from Barack Obama and Joe Biden on down to Dennis Kucinich and Michael Moore. Leftists screamed that it cost too much money, that we were interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation, screeched about how our soldiers were "committing war crimes" and that we were there for the oil, they asked when we were going to liberate China and North Korea... their blathering went on and on. Turns out it was all purely political, the leftists were demeaning the United States and exploiting the Iraq war in order to undermine President Bush. Now, certain morons here are trying to say that Im the hypocrite for pointing their hypocrisy out. quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx Actually I recall the humanitarian issue being a big deal on the Iraq table as well. I wish I had more time, I'm off to a wedding so I'll have to deffer for now. But I don't believe this is just about the humanitarian efforts anymore than Iraq was just about WMD... If we all put down our political game faces for a while we'll see what's really going on...... I think.

slvemike4u -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 2:31:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Mike, adress my points if you think I'm wrong. I've made a new deal with myself Pops...I will only engage those who are able to speak on a given subject in an intelligent and thoughtful manner. You come up short in multiple ways.....sorry.

Sanity -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 2:35:09 PM)
They cant do that popeye, they cant post on topic. Theyve only got their doublespeak, their lies and their namecalling quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Mike, adress my points if you think I'm wrong.

isoLadyOwner -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 2:42:52 PM)
I actually don't understand what you are saying. Are you using babelfish or a translator? I don't know if its possible to dumb things down for you much further, I think my post was clear. Obama hasn't told you what to think yet and he won't give you your real talking points until he reads from a teleprompter on Monday. I won't waste much time arguing with someone who thinks these Muslim Rebels will turn out to be better than the Taliban. If my post is unclear though my basic point is as follows: The rebels we support are torturing Libyan soldiers and raping their wives. The report is in the Daily Beast and is titled "Inside a Libyan Rebel Prison Camp" I think that the Libyan Rebels are probably going to be worse than Quaddafi. I think its bad for Libyan Rebel or a Libyan soldier, or a person on the planet Earth to commit rape. I'm not apt to spend time arguing with someone I consider to be a cultist so feel free to joust at windmills. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Are any of you guys listening to the reports coming from Libya....do any of the atrocities occurring affect your opinions at all? The Daily Beast recently ran an article entitled "Inside a Libyan Rebel Prison Camp". Said article detailed Libyan rebel atrocities including the rape of the wives of captured Government soldiers by Libyan Rebels. After Rebel atrocities were exposed by the Daily Beast there was a more widely reported story. This story was about Libyan Government soldiers raping a woman who, after being attacked, ran to where reporters were meeting, made the accusations, and only then was dragged out by Libyan Government forces. My opinion is that both sides are atrocious and if the Libyan Rebels take over they will need to be deposed at some point. Obama's war or whatever Orwellian label he's attached to it today is wasteful, boneheaded, and hypocritical. The "reports" coming from Libya actually reinforce my opinion. Perhaps after you have cleared up the confusion embedded in this post ...you can come back and explain it to us. The only consistent theme contained within is the belief that President Obama operates independently and separately ,as opposed to operating as President of this great country. How that works is beyond me....perhaps that too can be explained...once you clear things up in your own head.[:)]

Sanity -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 2:46:33 PM)
Youre confusing my argument about specific aspects of this war with the overall theme that Ive been hammering. Ive written before, and why you choose to pretend ignorance is your own character defect, but Ive written that if we were to help the rebels the time to act was prior to Ghaddafi decimating their numbers. I questioned early on who the rebels were, and I pointed out the hypocrisy of the left for supporting this war after their history with Bush, and Ive mocked certain leftists here for their inconsistency regarding Reagan supporting the Mujahadeen of Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. None of this is hypocritical on my part but since you lack any logical argument against any of this I suppose thats all you have is to keep lobbing this same tired lie. as Ive written time and again leftists like you, mnot, rml, and lucy et al cant post on topic. Youve only got your doublespeak, your lies and your lowly name calling quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 We've already gone over this. Do you want me to go pull the post? I have somewhere to go right now, but I can get it all lined out for you later. Of course you keep claiming you don't remember any of this. You were so concerned that Obama wasn't acting soon enough and all of these poor people were going to die. Now Obama is keeping terrorist alive. Flip Flop Flip Flop

popeye1250 -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 2:54:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Mike, adress my points if you think I'm wrong. I've made a new deal with myself Pops...I will only engage those who are able to speak on a given subject in an intelligent and thoughtful manner. You come up short in multiple ways.....sorry. Ok, you can't. Now, I'm "Anti-War" on Libya you're "Pro-War" on Libya. So who's the *C-O-N-S-E-R-V-A-T-I-V-E* now Michael???

isoLadyOwner -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 2:54:24 PM)
Mike I have no idea if your a neocon loon or an Obama cultist and in reading you're posts they are mostly gibberish. I'll assume you like Obama from the content I could get through.

Sanity -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 2:55:37 PM)
[sm=applause.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Mike, adress my points if you think I'm wrong. I've made a new deal with myself Pops...I will only engage those who are able to speak on a given subject in an intelligent and thoughtful manner. You come up short in multiple ways.....sorry. Ok, you can't. Now, I'm "Anti-War" on Libya you're "Pro-War" on Libya. So who's the *C-O-N-S-E-R-V-A-T-I-V-E* now Michael???

slvemike4u -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 3:10:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Here is the main point, Lib Dems went apoplectic over the mention that we were helping the Iraqi people. They dragged out and harped on every reason imaginable why it was "impeachable" or "war crimes" for the U.S. to do so, everyone from Barack Obama and Joe Biden on down to Dennis Kucinich and Michael Moore. Leftists screamed that it cost too much money, that we were interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation, screeched about how our soldiers were "committing war crimes" and that we were there for the oil, they asked when we were going to liberate China and North Korea... their blathering went on and on. Turns out it was all purely political, the leftists were demeaning the United States and exploiting the Iraq war in order to undermine President Bush. Now, certain morons here are trying to say that Im the hypocrite for pointing their hypocrisy out. quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx Actually I recall the humanitarian issue being a big deal on the Iraq table as well. I wish I had more time, I'm off to a wedding so I'll have to deffer for now. But I don't believe this is just about the humanitarian efforts anymore than Iraq was just about WMD... If we all put down our political game faces for a while we'll see what's really going on...... I think. Or,and I know this sounds like a radical idea..."Leftists"looked at that situation,the steady and unrelenting rhythm of the war drums,the increasingly tenuous assertion of the presence of WMD's...and decided that it was all so much smoke and mirrors....so out of love for their country and an honestly arrived at distaste for the invasion ....they protested,objected and otherwise spoke their minds. Fast forward 8 years....and an entirely new situation comes along....and folks of a liberal bent have examined this new situation,looked at these new facts presented to them and have ,once again,arrived at honestly held beliefs as to how they feel about things.Some of them once again feel that we are making a mistake(RML for one) while others feel we are doing the right thing(myself as a poor example). There is no universally agreed at position from the left....though I do feel I can speak for the majority in saying(perhaps I am wrong here,if so it is an honest mistake)that none of us see the correlation you absolutely need to see in making your tenuous and erroneous argument. Now all of this should go in one ear and out the other with you....because,well that's what you do...you make up your mind based on your partisan position and allow no new information to seep thru.....all cool,no one expects anything more from you....but here's a suggestion ...Read this post r e a l s l o w....perhaps I will have no necessity of explaining it again to you [:)]

slvemike4u -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 3:12:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner Mike I have no idea if your a neocon loon or an Obama cultist and in reading you're posts they are mostly gibberish. I'll assume you like Obama from the content I could get through. Keep reading...different folks have different comprehension skills....sooner or later it will become clear to you...or at least I hope so.Best of luck with it though.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 3:14:57 PM)
flip flop flip flop The only thing you are concerned with is from which angle you can piss and moan about the President. Nothing else. You are a hypocrite, it's not a big secret.

slvemike4u -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 3:17:55 PM)
I'm not so sure Flcouple.....there are actually folks whose dementia is such that they can not even recognize the inherent hypocrisy embedded within their positions. If he weren't such a mook,I might feel sorry for him[:)]

Sanity -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 3:22:20 PM)
Reagan does it in Afghanistan, it bad. Bush does it in Iraq, its worse. Fast forward, Obama does it in Libya, and its [sm=hearts.gif][sm=hearts.gif]M A G I C A L [sm=hearts.gif][sm=hearts.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Or,and I know this sounds like a radical idea..."Leftists"looked at that situation,the steady and unrelenting rhythm of the war drums,the increasingly tenuous assertion of the presence of WMD's...and decided that it was all so much smoke and mirrors....so out of love for their country and an honestly arrived at distaste for the invasion ....they protested,objected and otherwise spoke their minds. Fast forward 8 years....and an entirely new situation comes along....and folks of a liberal bent have examined this new situation,looked at these new facts presented to them and have ,once again,arrived at honestly held beliefs as to how they feel about things.Some of them once again feel that we are making a mistake(RML for one) while others feel we are doing the right thing(myself as a poor example). There is no universally agreed at position from the left....though I do feel I can speak for the majority in saying(perhaps I am wrong here,if so it is an honest mistake)that none of us see the correlation you absolutely need to see in making your tenuous and erroneous argument. Now all of this should go in one ear and out the other with you....because,well that's what you do...you make up your mind based on your partisan position and allow no new information to seep thru.....all cool,no one expects anything more from you....but here's a suggestion ...Read this post r e a l s l o w....perhaps I will have no necessity of explaining it again to you [:)]

Sanity -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 3:40:31 PM)
(Yet for pointing that out I am supposed to be the hypocrite somehow [;)])

slvemike4u -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 4:38:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Reagan does it in Afghanistan, it bad. Bush does it in Iraq, its worse. Fast forward, Obama does it in Libya, and its [sm=hearts.gif][sm=hearts.gif]M A G I C A L [sm=hearts.gif][sm=hearts.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Or,and I know this sounds like a radical idea..."Leftists"looked at that situation,the steady and unrelenting rhythm of the war drums,the increasingly tenuous assertion of the presence of WMD's...and decided that it was all so much smoke and mirrors....so out of love for their country and an honestly arrived at distaste for the invasion ....they protested,objected and otherwise spoke their minds. Fast forward 8 years....and an entirely new situation comes along....and folks of a liberal bent have examined this new situation,looked at these new facts presented to them and have ,once again,arrived at honestly held beliefs as to how they feel about things.Some of them once again feel that we are making a mistake(RML for one) while others feel we are doing the right thing(myself as a poor example). There is no universally agreed at position from the left....though I do feel I can speak for the majority in saying(perhaps I am wrong here,if so it is an honest mistake)that none of us see the correlation you absolutely need to see in making your tenuous and erroneous argument. Now all of this should go in one ear and out the other with you....because,well that's what you do...you make up your mind based on your partisan position and allow no new information to seep thru.....all cool,no one expects anything more from you....but here's a suggestion ...Read this post r e a l s l o w....perhaps I will have no necessity of explaining it again to you [:)] Having a problem seeing that they were three different situations sanity...by the way other than a recent lament about arming those who would later bite us in the ass....how the fuck do you know how I felt about Afghanistan ? Did we know each other back than ? Afghanistan....arming those who later bit us...and cut and running afterwards...which gave birth to the Taliban. Iraq...an invasion ostensibly to remove or prevent Saddam from getting/producing/possessing fictitious weapons of mass destruction. Libya....a prosecution of a NFZ and the prevention of mass genocide(ie: since you are slow on the uptake...a limited well defined,so far,mission) I grow weary of explaining this to you.....I was not aware this was the remedial world affairs section. Shouldn't you and popeye,trucken and racistjim go off somewhere and brush up on this stuff PRIOR to bringing your ignorance and denseness here!

Hillwilliam -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 4:40:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity (Yet for pointing that out I am supposed to be the hypocrite somehow [;)]) I dont think you're a hypocrite. I think you're just a Dildohead Rush-worshipping Dumbass. Feel better? [:D]

Politesub53 -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 5:12:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx The Brits and BP wanted this, they are the ones that stand to benefit the most or loose the most.... (But this is just my assumption, so you are right in that, I have assumptions, as do the rest of you.) Follow the money trail, always follow the money. Bull, BP has already signed a lucrative deal to search for oil with Gadaffi, surely leaving it as the status quo would suit us better. Any new government in Libya could even tear up any deals done with Gadaffis regime.

Politesub53 -> RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. (3/26/2011 5:36:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Not anywhere we havent, so youre hardly the one to be lobbing character attacks such as these. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity LMAO We havent had a discussion about the UN mandate Not in your mind we havent. Have you even had a cursory read of the mandate ? No, I didnt think so. Then again facts hardly matter to you and pops when its a chance to knock the President, do they. Why lie ? Here is a link to one of your posts, you have even used the post where I used the word manadate ( from another thread) even if you did skip past that bit. Scroll up the same page and see what you edited out. http://www.collarchat.com/m_3606078/mpage_25/tm.htm#

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