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RE: Does anyone remember the Cold War ? - 3/27/2011 6:59:28 PM   
TheBanshee


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Also, check out an episode of "The Twilight Zone" called The Shelter.


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RE: Does anyone remember the Cold War ? - 3/27/2011 7:29:33 PM   
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All to well. Those "good old days" of back yard, and basement bomb shelters, overhearing adults talking of the red menace, and such. Paranoia seemed to creep into all conversation.
During the Cold War there was a great tv show, That Was The Week That Was, one named Tom of the players was a guy ....

Tom Lehrer - So Long, Mom (A Song for World War III)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pklr0UD9eSo

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RE: Does anyone remember the Cold War ? - 3/27/2011 9:58:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FelineFae

Pretty much just after WWII, when Russia said " We don't trust you " to the Americans, and the Americans replied, " We don't trust you either. " .


i know, but exactly how do you convey *that* in a song, as opposed to the later stages of the Cold War, when Russian was still saying "We don't trust you", and Americans were still saying, "We don't trust you either."

My point is, i've heard plenty of songs that talk about the Cold War. I can't think of any that refer specifically to the early Cold War, and not the late.

Leningrad, by Billy Joel, has already been mentioned, although you said you didn't want songs from the '80s.

"Victor was born the spring of '44
and never saw his father anymore
a child of sacrifice, a childe of war
another son who never had a father after Leningrad.

Went off to school and learned to serve the State
follow the rules, and drink his vodka straight
the only way to live was drown the hate
A Russian life was very sad, and such was life in Leningrad

I was born in '49, a Cold War kid in McCarthy time
Stop 'em at the 38th parallell
Blast those yellow Reds to hell
Cold War kids were hard to kill
Under our desks in an air raid drill
Haven't they heard we won the war
What do they keep on fighting for?..."

pam

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RE: Does anyone remember the Cold War ? - 3/27/2011 11:18:11 PM   
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I'm going to post a couple of songs from another Polish group Elektryczne Gitary (Electric Guitars) which although more recent are rather light-hearted songs about 'the PRL' (Polska Republika Ludowa - People's Republic of Poland) and the experiences that Poles went through.

These songs while influenced by political attitudes focus more on the experiences of the people and what they went through on the other side of the Iron Curtain.

Elektrzcne Gitary - Widmo

Widmo (Ghost)

This is a song about totalitarianism and the fact that in such a system someone is always watching you, and also someone always has an advantage over you.

Widmo krazy nad Europa (A ghost is haunting Europe)
Widmo krazy nad Europa (A ghost is haunting Europe)
Zanim zdazysz cos powiedziec (Before you get to say anything)
Widmo idzie juz do Ciebie (The ghost comes up to you)
Widmo chodzi ulicami (The ghost walks the streets)
Widmo czeka pod drzwiami (The ghost is on the other side of the door)
Zanim zdazysz sie rozejrzyc (Before you get to look around)
Widmo zawsze bedzie pierwszy (The ghost will always be the first in the queue)

Widmo krazy nad Europa (A ghost is haunting Europe)
Widmo krazy nad Europa (A ghost is haunting Europe)
Zanim cos zdazysz sie pomyslec (Before you can think of something)
Widmo zawsze bedzie szybsziej (The ghost will always be quicker)
Widmo czyha pod scianami (The ghost is listening behind the wall)
Widmo stoi za plecami (The ghost is standing behind you)
Nie odwracaj sie na siebie (Don't turn your back)
Nie odwracaj sie na siebie (Don't turn your back)

Elektryczne Gitary - Wyszków tonie

Wyszkow Tonie - Wyszkow is Flooded (lit. Wyszkow is drowning)

This is a song about Polish capitalism, which flourished under the communist PRL system. Poles sold stuff at impromptu markets and bazaars - whatever they could get their hands on from their ration cards, what they grew on their state assigned allotments, what they stole from work, obtained through bribes - and this wasn't just to make money. They money was however less important, it was a way of networking and making contacts with other people. The thinking was 'everybody needed somebody else' and this is a way of thinking which is foreign to us here in the West.

Wyszkow is the statistical Polish small town, it's not far from Warsaw to the north east.

Wyszkow tonie (Wyszkow is flooded) x 4

Siedze na dachu, tutaj nie dojdzie (I'm sitting on the roof, [the water] won't reach here)
W piwnicy zostaly moje kartofle (My potatoes were left in the cellar)
Dwoch ludzie na tratwie uwija sie zywo (Two people are floating around on a raft)
Tonacy po paczce sprzedaja piwo (They are selling bottles of beer in packets to those drowning)

Wyszkow tonie (Wyszkow is flooded) x 4

Z buda u szyj pies jak holownik (One with a kiosk round his neck being pulled by a dog)
Do budy zalapal sie otyly ogrodnik (A fat gardener catches hold of the kiosk)
Gowniarze w misce wyslali po babce (Youths in a basin look for their grandmother)
Co bedzie jak sprawdza im karty plywackie (What is going to happen if someone checks their swimming permits)

Wyszkow tonie (Wyszkow is flooded) x 4

Jest telewizja juz robia wywiady (The TV station is giving interviews)
Jak panie tonacy dajemy sie rady (How are the drowning coping with the situation)
Handel jak zawsze wiosna czy zima (Business as usual like in spring or winter)
Od zeszlej niedzieli juz plywa melina (There's even a drinking den [illicit] since last Sunday)

Wyszkow tonie (Wyszkow is flooded) x 4

Krawcy, lekarze, kierowcy, palacze (Machinists, doctors, drivers, smokers)
Dozorcy, kobiety, fryzjerzy, spawaczy (Caretakers, women, hairdressers, welders)
Sportowcy, pokraki, pijacy, uczniowie (Sportsmen, perverts, drinkers, schoolkids)
Szewcy, wariaci, kasjerzy, ojcowie (Cobblers, lunatics, shop assistants, fathers)

Wyszkow tonie (Wyszkow is flooded) x 4

Elektryczne Gitary - Dylematy

Elektryzcne Gitary - Dylematy (Dilemmas)

Polish society resembled the 1950's/1960's with slightly different gender stereotypes and most homes are matriarchal with the woman (as mothers and wives) making the decisions. They were also the ones who ran errands, waited in lines and queues, and arranged things whilst their husband worked or if they themselves worked, which was also very common, these things were done during their lunch hour. This was a problem later after the system when some women would disappear during their lunch hour for a couple of hours to get things done. This song is about relationships between men and women in the home during PRL, the comedy is that the man is asking questions about sex, but not getting the right answers.

Powiedzcie mi ludzie, powiedzcie mi wszyscy (Tell me people, tell me everyone)
Czy lepiej zyc brudny, czy lepiej zyc czysty (Is it better to live dirty, or better to be clean?)
(repeat)
Pytalem matki, pytalem zonie (I asked my mother, I asked my wife)
A one mowia wloz kalesony (But they said put your long johns on)
Kalesony (Long johns) x 4

Poradzcie me ludzie, poradzcie ludzie (Advise me people, advise me people)
Czy lepiej na dole, czy lepiej na gorze (Is it better underneath or better on top?)
(repeat)
Pytalem matki, pytalem zonie (I asked my mother, I asked my wife)
A one mowia wloz gacie w kratkach (But they said wear your checked pants)
Gacie w kratkach (Checked pants) x4

Niech mi ktos powie, bo nie wiem niestety (Let someone tell me, because unfortunately I don't know)
Czy zyc mam z kobieta, czy zyc bez kobiety? (Do I live with a woman, or live without one?)
(repeat)
Pytalem latem pytalem w zimie (I asked in summer, I asked in winter)
A ludzie mowia, kiedys Ci minie (But people told me, 'You will get over it sometime')
Kiedys Ci minie (You will get over it sometime) x4

Powiedzcie mi koledzy, po prostu mnie gnebie (Tell me friends, cos it's bugging me)
Czy lepiej na wierzchu, czy lepiej do glebiej (Is it better out in the open, or better undercover?)
(repeat)
Kolega milczy, bo sie krepuje (My friend says nothing, because he's embarrassed)
Mowie mnie potem on tez sie truje (Later he tells me it bugs him too)
Tez sie truje x4 (It bugs him too)

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RE: Does anyone remember the Cold War ? - 3/27/2011 11:48:40 PM   
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If you are interested in the early Cold War period from the Polish perspective you might also be interested in the following Wikipedia links:

Boleslaw Bierut

Boleslaw Bierut was one of the early Polish Prime Ministers and leaders and a hardline Stalinist. I can remember a butcher being exonerated shortly before Poland abolished capital punishment in 1995 for being executed simply for selling meat illegally in the early 1950's in Poland.

Bierut died in mysterious circumstances whilst on a visit to Moscow in 1956, 3 years after the death of Stalin and it is speculated that this was a KGB killing ordered by Krushchev who wanted a softer approach and who rejected Stalin's 'personality culture'.

Jozef Cyrankiewicz

Jozef Cyrankiewicz succeeded Boleslaw Bierut and was another hardline communist leader.

It is worth checking out his relationship with Edward Osobka-Morawski because even in the early Cold War period communism was not a unified totalitarian regime by any means and there was an underlying struggle throughout between hardline communists (Stalinists), socialists and others such as peasants and I feel this was true throughout Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.

This also shows up the 'Western betrayal' that Poles felt after the Yalta Conference in 1946 when the borders were shifted eastwards causing a 30% loss of territory.

Hope this helps..If you want any more information about Polish history during the early post-war period of the Cold War please let me know.

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