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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:09:15 PM   
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Now why are our countrymen still fighting in Afghanistan, what's the current reason for being there, I forget, for it seems to change so often.


What do you think they are there for?

It is obvious and has always been the same reason... Afghanistan cannot stand without our support and we know it. We went in to clear out terrorists and if we leave now they will be back and up to their old ways.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:12:07 PM   
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Ooo, perhaps a fitting position for him, padre to the armed forces at the battlefront.


Put him out front with his Bible and smoking Quran and see how brave he is.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:16:58 PM   
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If you break it, you bought it.




I don't know that this rule applies to Afghanistan, Hlen. It was pretty broken to begin with. I think we should be the hell out of there last week.


And why were you not saying that many, many weeks ago?

You know, when Dubya invaded and kept us in there to do nation building.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:19:11 PM   
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Now why are our countrymen still fighting in Afghanistan, what's the current reason for being there, I forget, for it seems to change so often.


What do you think they are there for?

It is obvious and has always been the same reason... Afghanistan cannot stand without our support and we know it. We went in to clear out terrorists and if we leave now they will be back and up to their old ways.

Butch


Exactly.

Sad , but it is reality.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:32:43 PM   
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And why were you not saying that many, many weeks ago?

You know, when Dubya invaded and kept us in there to do nation building.




So I call you on telling stupid lies, and you just keep right on making up more. Goebbels and Alinsky would approve.


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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:33:08 PM   
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Hlen, that's not quite true what Powell sad, what REALLY happens is, THEY break it,.....the Taxpayers buy it.



Why do you continue to make things up that are so easily proven wrong?


Pottery Barn rule - Wikipedia



New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman claims to have coined the term, having used the phrase "the pottery store rule" in a February 12, 2003, column. He has said he referred to Pottery Barn specifically in speeches.[3] According to Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell cited the rule in the summer of 2002 when warning President George W. Bush of the consequences of military action in Iraq:
'You are going to be the proud owner of 25 million people,' he told the president. 'You will own all their hopes, aspirations, and problems. You'll own it all.' Privately, Powell and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage called this the Pottery Barn rule: You break it, you own it.[4]
Powell confirmed the quotation on Jonathan Dimbleby's "Dimbleby" program on April 30, 2006.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:36:33 PM   
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Ooo, perhaps a fitting position for him, padre to the armed forces at the battlefront.


Put him out front with his Bible and smoking Quran and see how brave he is.

Butch

That's so tempting isn't it? And who'd lift a finger to save the piece of trash from what he deserves? Not I for one.

I do hope the families of the victims take some kind of legal action against him for incitement. He knew exactly what he was doing, the risks he was running had been made very clear to him. It would be a tragedy if this sleazebag managed to escape the consequences of his own freely-chosen actions.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:37:56 PM   
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And why were you not saying that many, many weeks ago?

You know, when Dubya invaded and kept us in there to do nation building.




So I call you on telling stupid lies, and you just keep right on making up more. Goebbels and Alinsky would approve.



You can call me on anything and I'll back what I say.

As of now you are just throwing a temper tantrum and not specifying what supposed lies you want to tell me I made.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:38:00 PM   
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Now why are our countrymen still fighting in Afghanistan, what's the current reason for being there, I forget, for it seems to change so often.


What do you think they are there for?

It is obvious and has always been the same reason... Afghanistan cannot stand without our support and we know it. We went in to clear out terrorists and if we leave now they will be back and up to their old ways.

Butch


Exactly.

Sad , but it is reality.



So you support "Dubya's" nation building strategy then, RML?

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:39:39 PM   
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Now why are our countrymen still fighting in Afghanistan, what's the current reason for being there, I forget, for it seems to change so often.


What do you think they are there for?

It is obvious and has always been the same reason... Afghanistan cannot stand without our support and we know it. We went in to clear out terrorists and if we leave now they will be back and up to their old ways.

Butch


Then American and possibly British involvment in Afghanistan will carry on, quite possibly after Obamas withrawal year of 2014, when is Obama up for re election ?

So some 1500 Western troops killed so far and anything between 12 and 30 thousand Afghan civilians at a cost of about $3.5 billion per month since 2001, that country will wear us down as it has done for countless other invading forces through the centuries. I fear we will be in that country for a long time yet to achieve what we set out to do, either that, or we will withdraw job incomplete, the cost being too high.


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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:43:00 PM   
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Ooo, perhaps a fitting position for him, padre to the armed forces at the battlefront.


Put him out front with his Bible and smoking Quran and see how brave he is.

Butch

That's so tempting isn't it? And who'd lift a finger to save the piece of trash from what he deserves? Not I for one.

I do hope the families of the victims take some kind of legal action against him for incitement. He knew exactly what he was doing, the risks he was running had been made very clear to him. It would be a tragedy if this sleazebag managed to escape the consequences of his own freely-chosen actions.


You watch, the scumbag will try to turn this around by saying the murders are typical of Islam thus backing up his campaign.

Perhaps he does need a bit of lead in his diet, something he will get if he had the balls to take his fight to the battle front instead of hiding behind America's defences.


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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:44:54 PM   
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You can call me on anything and I'll back what I say.




Then back it. Go find the discussion where I argue for anything other than getting our conventional forces the fuck out of Afghanistan. Run along. Don't come back without it.


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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 9:56:51 PM   
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Now why are our countrymen still fighting in Afghanistan, what's the current reason for being there, I forget, for it seems to change so often.


What do you think they are there for?

It is obvious and has always been the same reason... Afghanistan cannot stand without our support and we know it. We went in to clear out terrorists and if we leave now they will be back and up to their old ways.

Butch


Exactly.

Sad , but it is reality.



So you support "Dubya's" nation building strategy then, RML?


No, I supported Bush when we initially went into Afghanistan, but, being the dumbass he is, he listened to Rumsfeld and didn't commit the resources needed to accomplish what we went in there for.

Bin Laden is still out there because Rummy decided we needed only minimal troops, even though we had the opportunity to capture him at Tora Bora.

Meanwhile we committed our troops to depose Saddam under the false pretense of his involvement in 9/11 and the lie that he had WMD's.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 10:04:35 PM   
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Anerim

You watch, the scumbag will try to turn this around by saying the murders are typical of Islam thus backing up his campaign.


I fear you are spot on in that prediction. But that's no reason not to put it to the test in a courtroom, preferably as far away from Florida as possible. For instance it would be interesting to see what would happen if the Afghani Govt tried to extradite him wouldn't it? Or he was charged with "incitement to terrorism" by the US authorities.

While I understand the temptation to add some "lead to his diet', resorting to violence will be dragging ourselves down to his level and joining him in the gutter. Not recommended.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 10:38:25 PM   
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.....You watch, the scumbag will try to turn this around by saying the murders are typical of Islam thus backing up his campaign.............



Bingo! That's just what he said. He ought to go join the WBChurch. They deserve each other and think of all the attention whoring they could do then!!

ETA: I can't think a proper response/punishment harsh enough for Terry Jones.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 10:38:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		So on the report I just read on yahoo news, there was an unconfirmed report that some of the murdered were beheaded, now you what that is going to do if it gets confirmed and further to that one of the victims is as of yet of an unidentified nationality, strange when all the other nationalities were known, I do hope that victim was not American for shit will boil and all that down to yet another religious fundamentalist who is obviously inciting terrorism. But to take a shot at the scrote that will push him further and like as not some of his followers or even a rebel (s) seeking a cause.

Yes you are quite right, he should be arrested and charged with endangering the lives of US citizens if not inciting terrorism, for I fear there is nothing legal another country can do.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 10:43:06 PM   
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So you support "Dubya's" nation building strategy then, RML?


Did I not just answer this?

Scroll up a bit Richie so we don't get repetitive.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 10:46:24 PM   
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..................Hlen, that's not quite true what Powell sad, what REALLY happens is, THEY break it,.....the Taxpayers buy it.
None of the people I know around the country want *perpetual war.* How about you?


Of course I don't.

I used to think we should stay til a solid secular government was in place. I then read "A Woman Among Warriors". I'm afraid I can't remember the woman's name, but she was quite impressive. Even though she changed my mind, I'm still reluctant to leave Afghanistan in such a shambles.

I don't know what the answer should be.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 10:49:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		You never learn,do you?You went into Vietnam....to protect them from Communism...and lost.Now it's Afganistan...nobody has ever won against Afganistan...ever.It's a lost cause;they don't want Western ways,leave them to their own devices.It's time we all faced the truth...we've lost...let's get out now.
All the so called War on Terrorism is achieving is creating more hate against the Western countries involved and fueling the terrorists hate.
Too many people have died already and the loony pastor has just made things worse by his stupid actions...i wonder what his feelings would be if they burnt the Bible?/the American flag?
The politicians(of all countries involved) should realise that they've lost and that getting out now might just be a vote winner.
The days of the US making other countries conform to their way of thinking are as long past as the British Empire...at least we realised the truth and learnt to live with it.

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RE: Time to get out of Afganistan. - 4/1/2011 11:02:59 PM   
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I think you need to bring the troops back and send the Tea Party out to Afghanistan to replace them.

That way you kill two birds with one stone.

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