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Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 2:44:36 PM   
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This is quite hard for me to articulate, so please bear with me . . . .

I watched some godawful film recently about an annoying, bland American teenaged girl with big nostrils who was the love-object for both a vampire and a werewolf. Said vampire and werewolf hated each other, natch. I can't remember what the film was called but that shouldn't detain us here. The point was that the vampire and the werewolf had distinct qualities. The vampire was cool, suave and aloof; the werewolf was a growling beast of hot, rapacious emotions.

This distinction struck me as being akin to the two broadest and most contrasting images I think men might have of femdoms. We see plenty of men turning up here on these forums looking for the vampire-type of femdom. They want women who are cold, who will be disdainful of them, who will only want service from them, in the form of body-worship or - in a more focused way, worship. Their ideal femdom doesn't want sex with these men - because such femdoms are too 'Goddess-like' for that, while the men concerned are too 'low and contemptible'.

The other type of femdom is like the werewolf. Far from being cool, aloof and disdainful, she's a man-eater. She wants to bite chunks out of a man and make him bleed. She wants to take him and eat him. The last thing in the world she wants is some bloke grovelling at her feet. How boring and pointless, she feels. Right . . . at this point, I feel that I should distill all this into some questions. This is difficult, but I'll have a try.

Firstly, femdoms: Do you consider yourself a Vampire, or a Werewolf? How do you enjoy dominating - the cool way, or the hot way?

Secondly, malesubs: Would either a Vampire or a Werewolf do for you? Do you see each femdom fantasy-figure as a different type?

Thirdly, femdoms, again: I think, with this topic, I'm havering towards something that goes to the core of feminism. Yep, I really do. Because my intuition is that the vampire-type femdom-ideal is borne of very traditional ideas of women are and should be, while the werewolf idea of a femdom is something quite the opposite. The werewolf femdom wants to use her power actively and aggressively. She's not going to lie there, decoratively, while a man slobbers over her feet. Instead, she's going jump on him, bruise him, bite him and make him bleed.

But I see far, far fewer men looking for this 'werewolf' type of femdom than the 'vampire' type.

Am I right in thinking Ms Werewolf is less in demand than Ms Vampire? If so, is this because of a really ancient kind of sexism - that kind that adamantly refuses to see women as sexual beings, as incapable or 'above' animalistic kinds of lust - at bottom, not active, but passive?

Lastly, if anyone wants to distill the above into one or more better questions: be my guest. All thoughts gratefully accepted.









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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 3:20:37 PM   
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It's one of those "how do you pick just one" areas?  The best answer that I can give you is that it depends on the mood that I'm in.  The cool, what appears to be aloof reaction that is the contentment of having mental power over another.  The hot, grab him by the throat and pin him against the wall because I want to exert My physical power over him is something else.  Just like some folks would have a hard time picking a favorite in sex.  There's love making where you are so bonded with the other person emotionally.  Then there's raw, primal fucking.

Who wants to choose one?  I'll take both.


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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 3:34:41 PM   
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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 3:38:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I want it all, but could never be cold. So everything else, one way or another, one time or another, I will be and do all I want. If I am cold, you missed the mark and you might be taking a long walk. I won't drain you of all your blood, because I want you walking out that door!

I do find that men wish to section me off or want me to be that fantasy, but in real life, I could never be. I am a hot blooded woman, soft and gentle, tough and hard, quick and brutal at times. If they can't handle that, they are surely not for me. They may run in packs and be what most see, but, every once in a while I find one that wants the blend I can offer and then, the party is on.

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 5:23:54 PM   
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However, I should note that just because I lean toward the cool and calculating, it doesn't mean I won't devour my "prey"...because I will.  It would be a huge mistake to think I won't sink fang into the s-type or drain him dry.  It's also a mistake to think I don't want sex with him.  Can you say "succubus"? 
 
You're way off base on your assessment of the role of feminism here.  The movie you watched is a radical (and in many circles, unwelcome) departure from the traditional vampire.  Traditionally, the vampire is the archetype of forbidden sexual desire.  It has nothing to do with the so-called traditional feminine role.  In fact, it was one the first archetypes to depict women as sexual aggressors. 
 
A better way to think of the vampire/werewolf dichotomy is to think of the werewolf as the brutal ravager who takes what she wants by force and the vampire as the sly seducer who manipulates her target into doing what she wants and making him think it was all his idea.  Both are ravenous in their own ways but they employ different methods.

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 5:50:10 PM   
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You're way off base on your assessment of the role of feminism here.  The movie you watched is a radical (and in many circles, unwelcome) departure from the traditional vampire.  Traditionally, the vampire is the archetype of forbidden sexual desire.  It has nothing to do with the so-called traditional feminine role.  In fact, it was one the first archetypes to depict women as sexual aggressors. 


I read Bram Stoker's "Dracula" some time ago. The female vampires in that weren't much more than the de-spirited slaves of the Count. The essential point, I think, is that vampires are dead, therefore, presumably, lacking in spirit in some major (indeed, arguably complete) way. Werewolves, though, have always been portrayed as alive, and very much so.

But does this all really matter? Vampires and werewolves are only mythical creatures. I don't think we should care one way or the other what some author or film-maker decides to do with them.

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 5:57:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Both, especially taking a man from behind with a strapon, and nipping and moaning into his nape; the position is very alpha wolf, the power is very Stoker. And lots of Dommes don't shave inside the bathing suit area: is that part of the she-wolfery?
And a bit of the original Mummy [as in the story of the 22nd century, written almost 200 years ago by Jane Loudon: first sentence: "In the year 2126, England enjoyed peace and tranquility under the absolute dominion of a female sovereign"].

I'm not cold nor disdainful, but hot-blooded and gloating; I can do this and this and that to him, and still he begs for more. In darkness, he does my bidding. Come the full moon, I crave. Come the new moon, I bleed. And what woman doesn't gloat a bit, seeing a good man wearing his red wings with pride and looking vampirical?
And what domme could approve of the passive chick in Twilight? Blargh.

Love being called 'Master', but I don't want a Renfield.
And definitely no zombie juju. Or creature from the black lagoon.
But had Dr. Frankenstein [as created by Mary Shelley] been a woman, it would have ended happily ever after, with her nurturing and educating what she had wrought rather than rejecting and traumatising him [and Dr. F probably would have married her perfect she-made man ;-)].
Edited to add: what woman would care about scalp scars if he can quote Milton? [just saw the National Theatre's production with the dreamy Johnny Lee Miller . . . ]



Thanks, this was fun!

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 7:06:08 PM   
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I watched some godawful film recently about an annoying, bland American teenaged girl with big nostrils who was the love-object for both a vampire and a werewolf. Said vampire and werewolf hated each other, natch. I can't remember what the film was called but that shouldn't detain us here.



I think I saw that same horrid film.  I can't remember the name of it either, but I slit both my wrist halfway through the movie.  Even death was a more desirable fate than watching any more of that bovine dung. 

Sadly,  I think they even made a sequel......or 3. 

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 7:09:00 PM   
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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 8:20:17 PM   
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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 8:41:05 PM   
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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 8:50:56 PM   
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Women suck semen, self-esteem, and your bank account.

Vampires, all of them.  ALL OF THEM.



And that's why you bend the knee to us.  Don't lie, you know you love it.  It's either that or more spider pix. 

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 8:52:00 PM   
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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 8:54:14 PM   
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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 9:01:31 PM   
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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 9:38:34 PM   
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Watch where you touch now.  I don't know where your hands have been.


You need to worry less about where they've been than where they're going. 
 
But back on-topic:

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The essential point, I think, is that vampires are dead, therefore, presumably, lacking in spirit in some major (indeed, arguably complete) way. Werewolves, though, have always been portrayed as alive, and very much so.


Whether or not the vampire is dead/a reanimated corpse is a matter of which myth you're using.  The Eastern European nosferatu is the one from which most modern media derives.  However, there are other myths in which the vampiric entity is very alive.  For example, the Leanan Sidhe is a Celtic version of the vampire and the Fae are always depicted as passionate, intense creatures.  The succubus and lamia are demonic but not dead. 
 
If you're going to start comparing mythological archetypes, then I think it's important to examine the broadest possible range.  In all vampire myths, the vampire devours the living to sustain itself.  There's nothing passive about that.  The only real difference between the vampire and the werewolf is the means not the end.

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 10:01:56 PM   
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Personally, I always thought the Eastern-European folklore of the vampire was the best one.  All the rest sound silly or dumb to me.  There is nothing more awesome than somebody coming back from the dead to suck your blood and probably kill you in the process. 

Not to mention that Dracula was supposedly based off Vlad the Impaler who was all sorts of badass.  He was probably majorly sexually repressed.  Still, the accolade of making a forest of impaled bodies goes to 11 on the Fatality Scale.

As for werewolves, well, I can tell you what type of people like them;  freaks.  Also known as furries.  Nobody likes those people.  Nobody.  No-body.


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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/1/2011 11:52:44 PM   
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to answer your question, oh so sexy Peon... I'd categorize myself as the werewolf type when I am topping...

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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 6:05:10 AM   
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As for myself, I certainly enjoy how She and I interact - I am the "bunny", I am the "prey", and there are those moments where it is akin to just after takedown, where She is on top of me, pinning me, surveying her "kill" and being all growly and nippy...it is just YUM!


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RE: Vampire or Werewolf? Cool Femdom or Hot Femdom? - 4/2/2011 7:21:01 AM   
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The movie was either Twilight, Eclipse, or New Moon (and Breaking Dawn will probably be released soon, if it hasnt already).



Arrrrggggghhhhh!  You actually said the evil words!  You spoke the name of "the movie that is not to be named".  My ears are bleeding!

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