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Because certain so-called 'reporters' from our left-leaning media have some kind of innate need to beat their chests and wail and cry about how terrible Americans are?
Just a guess.
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Why is there even coverage?
No it was because it was offensive in the same way burning the Bible would be to many Christians.
My problem is those who are defending the violent response as a justified reaction.
Agreed here and it's closer to a reasoned reaction than many, say, on the other thread.
More specifically those who are locked in the 'us vs. them' mindset that if you don't support one then you must support the other.
How about not supporting either of them? How about saying that burning the Koran was stupid just as protesting violently and killing people was stupid?
The link in both cases is a complete disregard for any sense of personal responsibility and culpability. Both are guilty of the above.
You know it never fails to surprise me just how many claim they are so against an ideology such as Stalinism and would never support such a political ideology as their form of government, and yet when they walk into a mosque or a church they gladly embrace the exact same principles and hierarchy.
And why? Perhaps it's this belief in the Almighty Imaginary Friend known to some as Allah, to others as God or the Holy Father, the one who always understands, the one who always agrees, and the one who it is perceived will be so willing to forgive at the Pearly Gates or if you choose to use high explosives to transform people into piles of stewing meat.
It's this belief in 'strength in unity' where it isn't necessary to have that personal sense of responsibility and culpability, because 'other people think the same' and so the wrong-doing is justified. And so they stand together, believing that they are right and the others are wrong, like a collection of rods which cannot be broken, such as the rods around the axe, or in Italian fasces, the symbol of fascism.
Yes - that word which so many appear to be avoiding here - fascism. It exists.
Back in the first few decades of the 20th century it was the Jews who were persecuted, now it's the Muslims, in fact it's all three - Christians, Muslims and Jews, depending on where you are in the world (the Balkans is a good example of this), it's the persecution, the 'us vs. them' way of thinking, the equating of 'Muslim' with 'raghead' or 'towelhead', the 'they're not like us', the less than human, the thinking that they are not like us then they must be no good.
Am I trying to say that Americans are fascists? No I'm not, at least not in the majority, deep down. No. But some are, and they define themselves as such by their words, their actions, and their thinking, just like the preacher Jones. It's not any different from anywhere else in the world.
Fascism crosses all political, and religious, boundaries. It's commonly associated with Hitler's Germany and Mussolini's Italy, but there was a lot more of it in the Stalinist Eastern Bloc, therefore it's on the right, on the left, wherever you find people.
It's back to the reactions and understanding which are understandable, and which are justified, and knowing the difference. The reaction to burning the Holy Koran is understandable, but not justified. The reaction to 9/11 by fascism is also understandable, but not justified, and therefore it's understandable why a preacher in Florida would choose to burn the Holy Koran, but again.. it's not justified.
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At what point do we say enough is enough?
It's simple. When someone exercising their right to free speech stops exercising their sense of responsibility that goes with it.
When someone exercising their right to free speech is done so to incite hatred and enmity between people rather than the mere expressing odf an opinion.
When someone exercising their right to free speech does so with the intention of dehumanizing another human being or oppressing them.
These are responsibilities those in the Middle East will have to learn when they learn freedom and democracy.
However 9/11 took place in 2001, some four years prior to Hurricane Katrina. Both were national tragedies, the former a cowardly and despicable act of terrorism.
It's almost 10 years since 9/11. How many more years of hatred and animosity towards Muslims needs to be expressed before Americans as a nation move on?
Something to think about?
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