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can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 6:52:23 AM

mrskitty2005

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Would like to know if there anything,were slaves have had 2 masters and are they allowed to have them.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 6:55:43 AM

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Would like to know if there anything,were slaves have had 2 masters and are they allowed to have them.

Yes- if you can imagine it, then people out there are doing it, and very happy about it.

I have been owned by a couple, it was awesome.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 7:22:34 AM

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Yes it is possible to have more then one Master,are they both friends , do they no about eachother. our slaves have 4 Masters and it works out wonderful.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 8:25:38 AM

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Think it depends on the type of Master involved, some are totally possessive, others welcome another Master, others endure it just to keep their subs. Just like some Masters involve others in the play session, others never do. It depends on the type of relationship you have with ur Master.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 8:58:01 AM

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 9:15:06 AM

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Sure, why not as long as everyone knows what's going on?

Different Master's might have different aspects to them that the sub or slave serves.

A friend of mine lives with her two Masters, but there are other slaves in the home as well.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 9:25:29 AM

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No.

But the 'no' assumes that your definition of Master is as an owner; and the definition of a slave falls under the definition of property owned by the Master. It also assumes that the responsibility of the owned property and the Master of said property is focused on the relationship.

The relationship may include additional individuals ultimately serving the goals of the relationship, but there can be only one Master. In a household run by a couple or a group of Masters, the service may be to more than one person, but it's to the communal relationship that the slave ultimately serves. The Master in this case is the group under the dynamic agreed to by the group, for the purpose of goals of the group, each person working within their agreed upon duty and responsibility. Semantic and hair-splitting, but when more than one individual's set of rules is predominant over the other conflict will arise, and it sets the slave up for failure.

A submissive who serves various Masters having unique rules depending on who is being served that day ultimately is serving his/her self; enjoying the various sensations from a variety of sources. He/she does serve or provide service to more than one Master, but who is in charge? I'd take the position that the submissive is. Under my direction, and under my protection, beth has "served" others; but she was serving the relationship that we have as the foundation of any such service. I doubt very much if the choice was hers, she would have considered any of the experiences. Whether she would have or not, or wanted to or not, was not part of the consideration when I made the decision. she abdicated the right to make a choice.

I take it to an extreme. I don't believe it's possible for a slave to serve more than one "master" even if that "master" is in the guise of a employer. It's my definition and one I had in mind and communicated with those I met and considered during my search for a slave. My self evaluation resulted in determining; I'm selfish, possessive, and a tad self centered. I'm also very intolerant of excuses, even legitimate ones, that I have no control over. A slave with a job creates opportunities for situations that I have no control over, therefor my responsibility, if I wanted that level of control, was to eliminate the opportunity.

For example, later today I leave for Palm Spring on business. It's a quick overnight trip. beth will be joining me, and will there to serve as my slave. If she had another Master, a job, it would require permission, negotiation, perhaps debate, and could end in disappointment and conflict. beth has no other job, no other responsibility, no other Master - no conflict.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 9:32:57 AM

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If she had another Master, a job, it would require permission, negotiation, perhaps debate, and could end in disappointment and conflict. beth has no other job, no other responsibility, no other Master - no conflict.

That's not how it was in the relationship in which I was owned by a couple. They worked amazingly well as a unit and knew exactly how to interact in owning a slave together.

As well, the idea that there is "no conflict" just because there is only ever one master is a fallacy. There will always be things that you want and can't have right then and there will always be things that must occur in order for physical and mental health to remain secure, due to life realities. That doesn't mean they are being mastered by anything else, and it doesn't mean there's somehow lacking in mastery on the one master's part.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 9:35:44 AM

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Would like to know if there anything,were slaves have had 2 masters and are they allowed to have them.

Short answer: Libby and I share.... everything.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 9:47:47 AM

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Merc,

i would like to ask you a semi-personal question based on your input in this thread, but didn't want to ask it in the forum, if that is okay?

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 9:54:00 AM

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That's not how it was in the relationship in which I was owned by a couple. They worked amazingly well as a unit and knew exactly how to interact in owning a slave together.

As I stipulated in my post. Your reference to "as a unit" is the same as my reference to the communal group with common relationship goals.

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As well, the idea that there is "no conflict" just because there is only ever one master is a fallacy.

No it's not. You may think or wish it is, perhaps you've never encountered it, but factually, pragmatically it is our "life reality". One example of living proof eliminates your personal absolute representation.

Within our relationship, there is one Master and no conflict. That statement considers all life realities, mental health, security, physical and mental health. It takes total surrender and total commitment but it exists, and is not unique to us. It exists, even if you haven't seen it or experienced it yourself.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 10:04:41 AM

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Dear MrsKitty2005, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I would submit for thought, to which term of two Masters sharing slave and or slaves.

First, there are many ways to establish an organized ranking structure, as to "assign" trickle down authority over one slave and or more; there is also for consideration - Dual-power Mastery, to which each Master are equal but, among themselves establish their area of assignment and responsibilities. There are structures, for which Masters that train, to which the ideal situation, where the senior Master takes the novice and the less seasoned Master takes a more trained slave (to which was the system I was exposed to); there are those who alternate authority, such as days assignment as Masters take turns running the whole household, this can be structured by days, weeks and or months--just depends on the Masters involved.

I would invite the opportunity to share duties with another Master. Shared responsibility invites support and shared responsibilities. As long as the intent was to be the good shepherd to slaves, seeing that they are loved, appreciated, grow and happy--I am all for it.

But, I cannot stress enough--that all the Masters (male and female) that create the relationship, must not create strife and or contests, as to whom is a better Master or not. Each has their differences which brings different approaches into the M/s experience and or dynamic.
First the Masters must get along before subjecting slaves to the relationship.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 11:48:08 AM

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Any slave collared into House Iron Bear (we do not collar personally untill the slave has spent time in a House Collar), is owned by House iron Bear which at this time means being owned by the Gorean Free of the House (Myself and my Free Companion/Wife and Lady Neets). It is up to us to endure that no conflict occures and as slaves are warned prior to collaring, that the one thing guaranteed to see them leaving poste haste is any attempts by said salve/s to create a rift between Neets and I....

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 2:16:18 PM

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i answer to two, and i see it as no different than a child in a well balanced home with two parents. As long as the parents agree on the goals and standards of the home, there is rarely any conflict. Even if one has higher authority over one area or another, good parents usually will watch out for the other parents directives also.. ie "when you've finished your mothers list, you can join me on yard work."

As much as the Leads need to be aware of each other and not cause "service conflicts" for the slave.. the slave ALSO by his or her time management, will order the day in such a way as to be able to handle both sets of needs and schedules, etc. Granted, i'm not "inhouse" with both, and that's probably the only reason i am marginally sane. lol

Maybe on an ambitious day i'll start a thread about what a person could possibly get out of serving more than one, and why on Earth would a Dom or Master even consider sharing authority over one in service.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 2:28:09 PM

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Absolutely, my wife and I have owned several slaves together. We share everything and we have not had any complaints from the slaves.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 4:00:50 PM

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ok thank you,but would like to knwo what happen if the slave signed somepapers,does that mean she is owned by that one person?

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 4:05:43 PM

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sure ask me anything if you wish

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 6:12:56 PM

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Of course they can. I have two hands and I don't know which one I love most..the both feel good and I will continue to use them both.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 6:15:42 PM

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I have just one and couldnt have two, cause i know i wouldnt be able to devote all of me to my Dom, but that is just me.

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RE: can slaves have two Master - 5/8/2006 8:41:42 PM

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As friend who just rang me comment .. You certainly can have as many Masters or Owners as you have the space to park their Rolls Royces, Bugatties, Mercedies & Volvos (for the lower income Dom/Master), BMWs, Ferraris and what ever....

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