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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 3:21:32 PM   
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We need to start manufacturing things in this country again!
This "service economy" doesn't work.


Goddammit Popeye.  I really hate when I have to agree with you.

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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 3:54:06 PM   
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of course the greedy working man who just wants to live with a home and food, how fucking dare he want a reasonable living for working a shitty job, bloody scum




Exactly and there are tons of opportunities still out there, such as robbery, drug dealing, prostitution, people trafficking, burglarizing, mugging, selling dodgy stuff on e-Bay, shoplifting, making off with automobiles, harrassment, debt collections, carjacking, pinching things, and so on.

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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 4:06:53 PM   
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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 5:17:08 PM   
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Obama: Shift from imported oil, new jobs will come By DARLENE SUPERVILLE
Associated PressObama used his weekly radio and Internet address Saturday to promote his ideas for bringing down gasoline prices by decreasing U.S. dependence on foreign oil. A blueprint he outlined in a recent speech calls for increasing domestic oil exploration and production,....
Who said Obama does not talk (think) about job creation. Talk is cheap though. His stimulus package (2009-2010) created one job per 400,000+ dollars. I guess he just does not know what to do. It is too complicated. Besides, playing golf is far more important.  He is accused of lacking leadership ability by many. Everybody can put together a good jobs program. The problems for Obama are radical structural changes these programs would need to succeed. His corporate buddies would not approve most.  It will be interesting to see how he drags through election campaign with miserable record.

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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 5:21:58 PM   
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Obama: Shift from imported oil, new jobs will come By DARLENE SUPERVILLE
Associated PressObama used his weekly radio and Internet address Saturday to promote his ideas for bringing down gasoline prices by decreasing U.S. dependence on foreign oil. A blueprint he outlined in a recent speech calls for increasing domestic oil exploration and production,....
Who said Obama does not talk (think) about job creation. Talk is cheap though. His stimulus package (2009-2010) created one job per 400,000+ dollars. I guess he just does not know what to do. It is too complicated. Besides, playing golf is far more important.  He is accused of lacking leadership ability by many. Everybody can put together a good jobs program. The problems for Obama are radical structural changes these programs would need to succeed. His corporate buddies would not approve most.  It will be interesting to see how he drags through election campaign with miserable record.



It would be interesting to see you document something.

One job per $400,000?


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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 6:51:37 PM   
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Speaking of the whole jobs vs social stuff idea, did all y'all hear what Huckabee's up to

Washington (CNN) – Several potential Republican candidates emphasized various themes important to social conservatives – a key constituency in Iowa – during speeches there at a conference of several hundred pastors.

On Thursday night, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee told the Rediscover God in America event, held in West Des Moines, that the country is in a battle pitting good against evil.

"I pray that God will raise up spiritual warriors who will say America will not fall – that we will not let this nation fall to the hands of those that will enslave us. This battle is one that pits good against evil. There are things that are right and there are things that are wrong and the great battle that we will live or die by to preserve this nation is one in which we identify and then we fight for until the last breath – that there are some things that are holy and pure and that are just," he said.

"I still want you to understand fully that the greatness of this nation and the hope and future of this nation is not dependent on who we elect in a human position as much as it is that the pastors of this nation on their faces before God then on their feet before their people bring fire to their pulpits and bring revival to this great land and remind us whose people we are and we say we will never fall again," he told the group.

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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 6:54:58 PM   
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Right there is why I wouldnt elect him to be janitor
but hes pandering to the right people


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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 7:00:10 PM   
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quote:

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We need to start manufacturing things in this country again!
This "service economy" doesn't work.


Goddammit Popeye.  I really hate when I have to agree with you.

Why? It's a possible opening...

I don't think there's anyone who would disagree with that statement. It's pretty much a Tautology. The real issue is how to accomplish it. Tariffs? Tax abatements? Tax credits (really bad idea, IMO)? Subsidized training? Other stuff which I can't think of right now?


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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 7:12:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

We need to start manufacturing things in this country again!
This "service economy" doesn't work.


Goddammit Popeye.  I really hate when I have to agree with you.



I'd love to agree with both of you, but unfortunately it's impossible. Those manufacturing jobs are gone, and they're never coming back.

You can't afford to buy goods manufactured in this country. Neither can I, and neither can anyone else. You want to pay 100 bucks for a pair of jeans? A thousand for a DVD player? People in America won't manufacture those things for what the people in Indonesia and India are willing to do it for. It's just simple math. America's days as a manufacturing powerhouse are over forever, and people need to get used to it.


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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 7:36:18 PM   
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Well the States could join the European Union..

There's quite a few minimum wage jobs that the Poles and Lithuanians no longer need but you would have to be quick because the Ukrainians and Turks want to join the EU as well.

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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/4/2011 11:04:15 PM   
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It would be interesting to see you document something.

One job per $400,000?

OK. I pulled it out of memory. Somebody calculated this way. Here are some links:

2009 Stimulus Bill Cost $228,055 Per Job “Saved Or Created”  http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/2009-stimulus-bill-cost-228055-per-job-saved-or-created/ 
If you subtract "saved" (suspicious methodology) then you will get close to 400K. In any way the stimulus program was a terrible job.

Report: Los Angeles spent $70 million in stimulus funds to create 7.76 jobs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100917/bs_yblog_upshot/report-los-angeles-spent-70-million-in-stimulus-funds-to-create-7-76-jobs

Etc..., etc....

The whole calculus government does is a scam. It does not reflect the reality correctly by design.
http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=14013
They ask:
Why does the number of people going on food stamps go up every month? 
As more people get employed, why food stamp eligibility increases steadily?

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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/5/2011 2:07:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

We need to start manufacturing things in this country again!
This "service economy" doesn't work.


Goddammit Popeye.  I really hate when I have to agree with you.



I'd love to agree with both of you, but unfortunately it's impossible. Those manufacturing jobs are gone, and they're never coming back.

You can't afford to buy goods manufactured in this country. Neither can I, and neither can anyone else. You want to pay 100 bucks for a pair of jeans? A thousand for a DVD player? People in America won't manufacture those things for what the people in Indonesia and India are willing to do it for. It's just simple math. America's days as a manufacturing powerhouse are over forever, and people need to get used to it.

I dunno, Panda I'm guessing Cost of Goods Sold are probably similar wherever one goes, as parts and raw materials are pretty much the same. Fabric in Vietnam costs about the same as fabric here. It's a commodity, after all. So are DVD transports or sodium lauryl sulfate for detergents. What varies are labor costs.

COGS normally runs about 25-35% IIRC from my finance classes. Taxes are fairly similar country to country. Probably ither stuff in the income statement (supplies, overhead, etc.) are similar too. Non-management wage expenses are quite a bit lower, but the TOTAL wage expense would be similar if MGT took only $1MM rather than $20MM. That $19MM would go to US wages. It's not that wages are so much lower in Vietnam/China/Malaysia, it's that exec pay has gotten way out of control. AM I making sense? Now someone will invariably come along and say ut's the Boards of Directors who set pay. True, but that overlooks the fact that the Boards in te US, much like Germany and Japan, are interlocking. CEO Joe Harvard sits on the board of Ripemoff Corp., where Al Yale is the CEO. AL is on the board of DeweyCheatemandHow, where Joe Harvard is CEO. Next that someone will say that the stockholders can get rid of excessive pay packages. Yeah, well, most of the stock is in the hands of Fidelity and Putnam and... and the fund managers don't give a shit about the worker bees. They care about 10Ks and quarterly results.

So manufacturing, IMO, CAN be done in the US, but won't be, unless Boards of Directors are truly independent and at arms length; The Quarterly Madness is done away with, and Unions once again are an offsetting force protecting workers.


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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/5/2011 2:31:33 AM   
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Speaking of the whole jobs vs social stuff idea, did all y'all hear what Huckabee's up to

Washington (CNN) – Several potential Republican candidates emphasized various themes important to social conservatives – a key constituency in Iowa – during speeches there at a conference of several hundred pastors.

On Thursday night, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee told the Rediscover God in America event, held in West Des Moines, that the country is in a battle pitting good against evil.

"I pray that God will raise up spiritual warriors who will say America will not fall – that we will not let this nation fall to the hands of those that will enslave us. This battle is one that pits good against evil. There are things that are right and there are things that are wrong and the great battle that we will live or die by to preserve this nation is one in which we identify and then we fight for until the last breath – that there are some things that are holy and pure and that are just," he said.

"I still want you to understand fully that the greatness of this nation and the hope and future of this nation is not dependent on who we elect in a human position as much as it is that the pastors of this nation on their faces before God then on their feet before their people bring fire to their pulpits and bring revival to this great land and remind us whose people we are and we say we will never fall again," he told the group.



What I find interesting, and more than a little scary, is Huckabee, Gingrich, and Palin are all part of the FOX News network.

I've never seen anything like this.

We have conservatives complaining about the liberal media, but what other news network employs potential presidential candidates?

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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/5/2011 3:33:15 AM   
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For all your howling about FOX NEWS a person would think youve never heard of MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, The New York Times, Time Magazine, NPR, PBS, the BBC, or any of all the other far left media outlets that are out there, or that you never heard that FOX NEWS let Gingrich go once he announced his intentions to run.

And theres this

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f Fox News is suspending Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum's contracts because they appear to be getting close to exploring a presidential run, why not fellow paid contributors Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee?

Fox News executive vice president Dianne Brandi explained to the Los Angeles Times that "as soon as each of them shows some serious intention to form an exploratory committee, we would take the same action."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110302/bs_yblog_thecutline/will-fox-suspend-palin-huckabee-contracts



Show some curiosity beyond the questions HuffPo tells you to ask, try Google on your own once in a while, dont make everyone else try to clue you in on these things, clue yourself in on occasion

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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/5/2011 4:03:08 AM   
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NFR and jumpthrough because this is idiotic

Hang on while I get the soapbox. Aaaah, much better. Ahem.

I don't quite know where to start. First of all you can't legislate jobs. You can hire officers to harrass the people, you can hire more jckbooted thugs but that doesn't really bring in any money.

What you have to under fucking stand is that they must make it easier to hire peole in this country. Why do companioes outsource ? Is it really cheaper to ship all the raw materials across the sea and have their slave labor do it and them ship it back ? In short the answer is YES. That's why they fucking do it.

Now let me tell you all something. Let's say you are my girl in China and I bought you a watch. I wnt to ship it to you. This is a fucking Rolex worth maybe a grand, nothing ridiculous. What does it weigh ?

So I goes in to USPS or UPS or who ever. It is cheaper to ship a brand new car here than it is for me to send my hungry honey something that doen't even weigh five fucking pound including packaging.

Someone is subsidising this shipping and have no doubt that the money is coming out of our fucking pockets. This is treason. < see that ? It's the fucking truth. They didn't have to pass a law that all gainful jobs must be moved out of the country, they justr readjusted the tax structure and shit so that it costs ten times nmore in taxes to run a fucking business here.

That's the only way it adds up, unless someone has a more plausible theory. With proper supervision the US worker can produce. They can effectively and efficiently produce salavble product and that would rebuild this economy in way none of the assholes in government could EVER understand because the simply don't know how to EARN money, they only know how to TAKE money.

Are you getting the drifft here ? I should be running GM right NOW. You think I'm kidding ? I have a plan, one that would work and put Honda and Toyota back in the baement where they belong, or used to when we had the real craftsmen. Actually I can do it with the dregs we have today, but there will be more budgeted for security. Everybody fucking steals these days it seems. But I have found that if people can make a decent living they become less and less inclined to steal, and in the way we can rebuild. We can do it again but people don't want to think about that. Going and working in foundries and machine shops, fabricating and welding.

You know thois AA batteries you put in your remote control ? Well years ago many of them went through a machine built by a company I worked for called Winnco. I big conveyor belt, each battery hit the contacts and if it didn';t put out, it wasa put out. Literally ejected by a solenoid. I was the cutter. The welder was relly good, but he was stupid and when I got there he only had four fingers left on both hands, luckily he still had a thumb. So he i about 40 and I am about 20, so my job was to cut the stock for these things, they would not let him near the abrasive cutter I manned every day. It was to the point if he lost one mosre appendage he would not be able to function.

Actually I was not quite 20 at the time, and my Mom got me the job. She knew I knew about machines and was not likely to cut my fingers off. I actually liked that job, everybody was cool, plus !!!!!!! they had a racecar. It was all burned out but so what. Racing cars was my life, and off the books. I had the need for speed.

"You have a what ? " he said after I told him I had a 1970 Toronado. I look over at the pile of steel and ashes and say "So what happened there ? " We don't like to talk about that. Apparently it ran out of coolant and it was totally fucked.

But you see that was not so special, at least in my eyes. That's the way it was, you COULD get a job. You COULD hokk up with some people. You COULD make it. Back then.

Now it's bad enough that the Chises are in the market now and will work for a fucking dollar a month. But that cannot be the whole story, it just doesn't add up. The rich bitch makes more money this way, and kills our country avery day and simply doesn't give a fuck. Where these motherfuckers cam from is beyond the scope of this text.

But somebody helps them, and there is only one suspect. The government. You [assholes] argue about whether the dems or repubs are worse while what we really should be doing is holding their feet to the fire to make them represent us. How can we do that ?

Al you do arguing this horseshit is to negate the real concern. The fact is that the government no longer serves the People and as such it is our right, AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY to alter or abolish it.

Unless and until you got some ideas n that front, just go back to weaving baskets. Fuck bitching about the "Nigga in the big chair" or the chimp that preceded him. They are all in it together and I am sure that at least a few of them weould be on our side if they could. But you don't understand, they are not dictators, those campaign promises never meant anything, and I mean for our entire born days.

I supported Obama just because he was Black, he was different. I thought maybe he had the balls or maybe might be stuopid enough to tell a few people to go fuck off, like AIPAC or GM, Barnes Whitne and the fuck who, whatever. Well he didn't, but I had a glimmer of hope for a short time.

Know what, sit me in that big chair. One President had a sign on his desk that said "The Buck Stops Here". Mine will say "Go Fuck Yourself". I am loyal to this country, they are not.

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RE: What happened to "JOBS" being the big issue - 4/5/2011 5:55:51 AM   
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For all your howling about FOX NEWS a person would think youve never heard of MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, The New York Times, Time Magazine, NPR, PBS, the BBC, or any of all the other far left media outlets that are out there, or that you never heard that FOX NEWS let Gingrich go once he announced his intentions to run.

And theres this

I
quote:

f Fox News is suspending Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum's contracts because they appear to be getting close to exploring a presidential run, why not fellow paid contributors Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee?

Fox News executive vice president Dianne Brandi explained to the Los Angeles Times that "as soon as each of them shows some serious intention to form an exploratory committee, we would take the same action."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110302/bs_yblog_thecutline/will-fox-suspend-palin-huckabee-contracts



Show some curiosity beyond the questions HuffPo tells you to ask, try Google on your own once in a while, dont make everyone else try to clue you in on these things, clue yourself in on occasion


So, they fired them because of their politics.  Good one on em.

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