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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 2:25:28 AM   
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That part had to go.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 2:26:18 AM   
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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 2:27:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		In Algeria female schoolteachers are murdered by Islamists, their crime, providing an education to young girls.

In the neighboring North African country of Libya Obama is dropping bombs on behalf of Muslim Insurgents in a Civil War.

I just can't see Sarah Palin supporting Muslim Insurgents in a Libyan Civil War.

As boneheaded as Palin may be she could not be more destructive to US interests than Obama.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 2:29:46 AM   
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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 2:33:52 AM   
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tazzygirl
You are correct. I meant to write only religious ties.


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And in that you assumed, and you assumed incoorectly. I did not agree with your position. I agreed that I should have added the word "only" which is pretty much the assertion GS and others were going after.



Even if we grant your latest claim and add the word "only" to your quote, we end up with:
"“I think the writer makes a compelling argument against [only] religious ties surrounding 9/11”
which is an implicit admission that religious ties were a factor in 9/11.

This is getting tedious. If you wish to keep denying that you're contradicting yourself in spite of the obvious, that's up to you. Everyone else has the evidence in front of their eyes now and I'm happy to leave it to their judgement.


Anyone who wishes to check out the full original discussion may do so at this link:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3522831/mpage_8/tm.htm

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 2:40:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		"that would make the english aristocracy their evil twin then.  In fact the kiing even went so far as to translate his own version of the bible for his own version of religion. "

You noticed that too eh ? I snipped the LOL because it's not fucking funny. What that means is even if some of it were right, how would we know. And I wonder less about what was put in, than what was taken out.

How much really, has religion affected, or even effected history ? How different would be the power structure, the lack of "sin" ? Which wars would have happened and which would not ? Different derisivnesses (sp) spawn different enemies, and therefore different allies.

But in more recent times we see alot less of this effect. Things seem to predicate on natural resouces now, or at least it is more apparent to some. Money is now the driving force, and fake money at that. There hasn't been enough money to go around for a century or more. With fatcats taking as much as possible all the time, this is what results in poverty.

There are lazy people in any impovershed area, but there are quite a few willing and able to work. There are enough. But the opportunity is removed for many, resulting in a type of caste system. Think of it, what would you think of me being President had I the chance. I think you agree with me enough that if I had a half a chance you would be right there with me. I might be wrong but fuck you if I am.

But what are my chances ? How do these people get there ? Certainly not by merit, but I know how. Born at the right place at the right time. Kid yourself otherwise if you must but that is about how it works.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 2:43:20 AM   
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You mean between her shopping trips?


I don't think Palin would be so foolish as to support armed Muslim Insurgents in a Libyan Civil War whether shopping or not.

Today the AP ran pictures of the US supported Muslim Rebels in Libya.

The US supported Insurgents were wearing ski masks, they were equipped with AK 47s, they had Islamist slogans scrawled in blood red paint on a pickup truck.

They looked like they were getting ready to behead an Infidel.

Unfortunately they were probably stopping on the way to pick up covert aid supplied by Obama; then on to the Infidel beheading.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 2:59:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		"....about Jesus possibly not being the son of god, for I think Islam have a better angle on this, he was a prophet, one amongst many, who were I suspect natural leaders and teachers and used their gift to observe well and inspire others.

Yeah and I agree with your reference to shitstorm, because I am going to add to it, I have referred to Jesus as a hippie before now, for his reported approach of peace and understanding to me says hippy."

IIRC Jesus was crucified by his own words. I could be wrong but was He not asked if He was THE Son Of God, and said yes ? And also that popularity could've saved Him, rather than the thief they spared that day.

That says hippie to me. Just about everything you can envision says hippie. A beard, a free lifestyle, not owning a bunch of shit, wander around probably having a good time. Hurting noone and letting anyone into the crowd as long as they could get along. Who knows what they were smoking.

In fact there are those stories, one of a Bible trnslator fired because somehow a "majic" mushroom was also called son of God. I wish I could find what this guy wrote, but he said this whole thing might be all wrong. Could he have been right ? How would we know. We already know about the ergot in France. Who knows ?

And think about more modern hippies. I'd be OK as a hippie I think. Might have to find another life though.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 3:03:41 AM   
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Palin might be as awful as Obama but she might be better.



I knew the Tea Party has got nothing to do with regular tea bags.

Statements like this make me wonder what Americans put in their teabags.

*makes mental note to only drink coffee if in the States*



I drink Twinings, you tell me



Twinings is good tea.

Not everyone who drinks tea in the USA is a member of the Tea Party.

These days the worst fascists in US politics are Obama Democrats followed in distant second by the Tea Party fringe.

I don't want to see a Palin Presidency, I'll paraphrase:

a cactus might be as awful as Obama but a cactus might be better.

Anyone but Obama in 2012.


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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 3:11:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Show me where a non-living entity played a large part in anything.

Thats like saying a gun played a large part in the death of Lincoln.

The gun, like religion, is the tool that is used... nothing more, nothing less.

The atrocities and conflicts were the results of men and women wanting more power/money/land/ect. "

That religion is a tool is a fact. I have no doubt. The problem is that is has worked so well.

Regilion has become tribal based. You have to connect, if not with some maharaji or something, some sort of doctrine. All others are infidels and they will be punished by our god. Their god is inferior. So why not conquer and enslave them now ?

Is religion NOT tribal based ? In a greater sense is not language tribal based ?

Ostensibly to bring people together, it accomplished pretty much the opposite in the long run.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 3:22:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		"We've had this discussion before tazzy. Previously we've specifically agreed that religion was one of the factors in the mix that caused 9/11."

I know that wasn't meant for me but.......

Religion had very little if anything to do with it. They got on a suicide mission and when things get tough, other impetus may be enough. Years of death and destruction can do that.

But look at the choice of targets. If it were religous based the targets would not be the WTC which has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It has to do with the current axis power structure, our monetary power along with that of our "allies". And why fly into the pentagon rather than the whitehouse, or for that matter the statue of libertyy or the golden gate bridge ? In fact if they were driven by religion the targets would have been very different. They made their message clear for those who can see it. They could've probably killed more US common People on the ground by dropping those planes onto Dulles or a few other airports at the right time. But they chose to do what they did. Why ?

It's not all that hard to figure out.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 3:25:57 AM   
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"Show me where a non-living entity played a large part in anything.

Thats like saying a gun played a large part in the death of Lincoln.

The gun, like religion, is the tool that is used... nothing more, nothing less.

The atrocities and conflicts were the results of men and women wanting more power/money/land/ect. "

That religion is a tool is a fact. I have no doubt. The problem is that is has worked so well.

Regilion has become tribal based. You have to connect, if not with some maharaji or something, some sort of doctrine. All others are infidels and they will be punished by our god. Their god is inferior. So why not conquer and enslave them now ?

Is religion NOT tribal based ? In a greater sense is not language tribal based ?

Ostensibly to bring people together, it accomplished pretty much the opposite in the long run.

T^T


Islamists in Libya, and Afghanistan are divided among conflicting tribes that kill each other if there isn't a convenient infidel available to slaughter.

Iraq has Shia and Sunni Muslim sects, the members of which kill opposing sect members if there isn't a convenient infidel available to slaughter.

Islam is a belief system that is incompatible with Western ideas like women's rights, freedom of religion, and the freedom to not be beheaded by ululating mobs of religious fanatics.


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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 3:31:00 AM   
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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 4:35:01 AM   
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In fact if they were driven by religion the targets would have been very different. They made their message clear for those who can see it. They could've probably killed more US common People on the ground by dropping those planes onto Dulles or a few other airports at the right time. But they chose to do what they did. Why ?

The 9/11 targets were chosen because they were symbols of US power and domination. The White House, WTC the Pentagon - political, economic and military power.

The attacks were carried out by an organisation membership of which is only open to people of a particular religious persuasion. Al Quada does not make the clinical separation between religion and politics Westerners do. For them religion and politics are different aspects of the same thing in many respects.

Lots of differing influences were behind the 9/11 attacks - among them historical political economic military - which the attackers understood collectively as Western/Crusader (Christian) attacks on Muslim lands, as a Christian war on Islam. Their stated goal is to free the Muslim world of Crusader influence and restoration of the Islamic Caliphate. All participants in the 9/11 attacks shared this religion-based analysis and the same religious beliefs.

It might make more sense to us in the West if we see and understand 9/11 as something more than just religion. Of course it is more than just religion. That is not in dispute. What is being disputed is whether there was any religious involvement on any level. How it's possible to declare arbitrarily that religion wasn't a factor at all, that religion had zero influence in the events of 9/11 (which is tazzy's position) is not something I understand.

To totally deny any religious aspect whatsoever to 9/11 flies in the face of all the known facts*


*unless you are a truther - then a whole other set of 'facts' apply. But I'm not going there.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 4:59:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not happy with their ridiculous treatment of Women, but I wouldn't bomb their bank over it.

Maybe religion, and therefore symbolism was at play in the choice of targets. I would've targeted some sort of international exchage point for money, perhaps the federal reserve maybe ? But I would have targeted the media. They hurt certain things, if our life is so distasteful to them why didn't they bomb Hollywood ?

Think it out VERY carefully, and I think you'll see that they wanted us to be crippled financially, but only the rich, those who prosper on international trade. Without international trade, noone would have ever bothered them, and we know it.

I agree that religion really fucks things up, but even if it were a factor, the money was the bigger target, especially international money. Why not all the big banks ? Why not the amusement parks ? Why not downtown Chicago which would half cripple our supply routes for food and other needs ? They attacked big money, not the commoner.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 5:15:29 AM   
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.........So is Mitt Romney. Those people are undercover Right Wing Evangelicals



Mitt is a Mormon.

Maybe he was thinking Huckabee?

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 7:51:10 AM   
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This is getting tedious.


Im glad we are finally seeing eye to eye on something.

Your position is clear. My position is clear.

IF you read something more into what I said, thats on you.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 8:00:36 AM   
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That religion is a tool is a fact. I have no doubt. The problem is that is has worked so well.

Regilion has become tribal based. You have to connect, if not with some maharaji or something, some sort of doctrine. All others are infidels and they will be punished by our god. Their god is inferior. So why not conquer and enslave them now ?

Is religion NOT tribal based ? In a greater sense is not language tribal based ?

Ostensibly to bring people together, it accomplished pretty much the opposite in the long run.

T^T


It has worked well. Problem is, and many will argue this point, religion as a tool is only useful to those who hold power. But, who starts the wars, the atrocities? Those who hold the power. They want something. So they work up the crowd. Go to a tent revival... lol... they work the crowd into a lather before passing the plate for donations. Money is the "something" that is wanted.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 9:10:10 AM   
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"....about Jesus possibly not being the son of god, for I think Islam have a better angle on this, he was a prophet, one amongst many, who were I suspect natural leaders and teachers and used their gift to observe well and inspire others.

Yeah and I agree with your reference to shitstorm, because I am going to add to it, I have referred to Jesus as a hippie before now, for his reported approach of peace and understanding to me says hippy."

IIRC Jesus was crucified by his own words. I could be wrong but was He not asked if He was THE Son Of God, and said yes ? And also that popularity could've saved Him, rather than the thief they spared that day.

That says hippie to me. Just about everything you can envision says hippie. A beard, a free lifestyle, not owning a bunch of shit, wander around probably having a good time. Hurting noone and letting anyone into the crowd as long as they could get along. Who knows what they were smoking........



Jesus did not say "yes I'm the son of God" he said "That's what you say that I am".

He was not popular that day. Pilate was giving them an out in offering Jesus up to be released vs Barabas, a known very bad guy.

Jesus was a rebel. He was challenging the status quo. He was challenging ritual vs true faith. To be pious then, it was separating oneself from the unclean goyim. He went among the outsiders to teach his message (Tax collectors, women of ill repute). When questioned about teaching outside the temple, his reply was he was going to where the sick in spirit were.

Rebel all the way.

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RE: Extremist like Palen jeopardizes the BDSM community... - 4/8/2011 10:16:40 AM   
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