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Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 4:03:45 AM)


Thanks for the  link taz. "Only" a 2% decline?

We need more fuel, taz - not a decline.

Here is the problem. Leftists have been dragging their feet, interfering with capitalists who have been trying to develop new fuel sources wherever theyve gone looking. Not just in the Gulf, not just at Anwar, but leftists have been working hard at locking up every domestic source for fossil fuel they could for years and years.

The problem becomes more obvious, more painful and troublesome when we have a growing country, a supposedly growing economy, but a shrinking domestic fuel supply caused by the environmental extremist wing of the DNC.

The DNC and their special interest environmental groups have been deliberately driving toward this day for generations, locking up our natural resources everywhere they possibly can. Not just nationally but also at the state and local levelas well. Yet theyre not to blame for their dream-come-true skyrocketing fuel prices... which is one of the ways the greens are by design using to try to force Americans to comply with their extremist "green" cult like demands? 

Bullshit, theyre proud of that! To say that theyre not is just more leftist doublespeak.


Say it in a monotone - All hail Gaia

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Oil-Price Shock Is Hitting American Consumers Hardest


US crude is now up $20 in two months. The extra wealth oil producers are now draining from America is greater than the annual cost of most US government agencies.


Goldman Sach’s call this week to book profits has brought US crude off its highs. However, over two months it’s still up 25%. Let's call it an extra $20 a barrel. Americans alone are locked into feeling the full force of that.

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Among developed nations commodity inflation is more brutal in the United States because we’re sitting on a dollar that continues to weaken. By comparison, over those two months the euro and Swiss franc are up 7%. The Australian Dollar has gained 5%.People importing oil into those countries find their currencies go further, so they are partly cushioned from the higher (dollar) price of oil.

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The Energy Information Administration‘s latest estimate is that the US will import 9.5 million barrels of oil each day in 2011. If that holds despite the higher price of crude, that’s 3.46 billion barrels a year.


So an extra $20 a barrel means America will pay an additional $190 million each day for its oil imports, or $69.3 billion each year.

Compare that with, say, federal spending.

...

Only transportation will cost Americans more than the extra $69.3 billion being spent on oil.


Remember: That’s a direct transfer of wealth straight out the United States to oil-producing nations. No multiplier effect, no extra American jobs and no extra American growth.


Full article here




thompsonx -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 5:23:34 AM)

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We need more fuel,

Just how much more fuel do "we"need?




Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 6:25:47 AM)


Sorry Ed, but no. The actual victims... are low income people. Women, children, the poor and the elderly are always the hardest hit by these well intentioned but misguided policies. Its not just auto fuel we are discussing, its also heating fuel, the costs of transporting goods and providing services, so obviously spiraling inflation is directly in the mix.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


You are overlooking the actual agenda, that being to starve idiots like you and your family out of existence.


$8.00/gal gas price will be the salvation of this country, if we can get to that.







Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 6:27:25 AM)


Enough so that Grandma wont freeze next winter for lack of heating fuel, and maybe let her afford to drive herself to the grocery store to pick up her dog food and other supplies

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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We need more fuel,

Just how much more fuel do "we"need?




slvemike4u -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 6:29:07 AM)

You parrot the party of the rich and claim to be defending granny and the kids....what a fucking joke.




Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 6:35:31 AM)


One day we are "the party of the rich" the next you say we are hicks in the sticks, perhaps some day you hopelessly inconsistent leftists (who couldn't argue an on topic point if your grannys dog food supply depended on  it)  will make up your freakin minds [:D]

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

You parrot the party of the rich and claim to be defending granny and the kids....what a fucking joke.





slvemike4u -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 6:43:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


One day we are "the party of the rich" the next you say we are hicks in the sticks, perhaps some day you hopelessly inconsistent leftists (who couldn't argue an on topic point if your grannys dog food supply depended on  it)  will make up your freakin minds [:D]

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

You parrot the party of the rich and claim to be defending granny and the kids....what a fucking joke.


Might have referred to you personally as a "hich in the sticks" but your party is/has and will remain the Party of the rich and the puppet of the corporation.The fact that you do not recognize this is the single biggest reason Ron can ,quite fittingly refer to you as a "tool".
Tools like yourself will always have their purpose in the Republican party....they lend to it a veneer of the "everyman",the "joe the plumber"(another tool), regular guy sort of look...while the wealthiest and the CEO's laugh their asses off at your efforts on their behalf




Fightdirecto -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 6:50:14 AM)

I have decided on a litmus test for politicians regarding the present budget sitation:

If a politician says they favor cuts in benefits and entitlements (i.e. Social Security, Medicare, etc.) AND voted AGAINST the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy, they are worth listening to. They clearly are concerned with the economy of the nation and fiscal fairness.

If a politician says they favor cuts in benefits and entitlements (i.e. Social Security, Medicare, etc.) AND voted FOR the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy, they are clueless fools who do not understand reality, are probably in the pay of some wealthy campaign contributor(s) - and I ignore them.




Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 6:51:13 AM)


Keep spinning mike... if you cant attack the message, attack the messenger. Right? [:D]






Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 7:03:42 AM)



Back on topic?

Opinion - You cant have it both ways, Mr. Obama:

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President Obama says he shares motorists’ pain. But consumers should pay attention to what he does.

He said last week he wants to increase domestic oil production, but his policies have the opposite effect — denying land and offshore oil drilling permits and imposing unnecessarily rigorous regulations and bureaucratic barriers, which discourage energy investment and production.

Obama’s energy policy is muddled. He applauds Brazil for innovatively capturing deep-water oil off its coast, while he makes it more difficult for American drillers to do the same. He deplores high energy costs, but advances greenhouse gas restrictions that increase costs and discourage new production of affordable energy.

This fickle president is torn between forcing the nation off fossil fuels and the public’s need for affordable energy.

Higher prices for conventional fuels make Obama’s preferred higher-cost “renewable” energy schemes more appealing to consumers. In 2008, before his appointment as energy secretary, Steven Chu told the Wall Street Journal that energy prices were the lynchpin to energy overhaul. “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe,” Chu said. Today, European gasoline prices top $8 a gallon.

Obama “has a huge problem,” we were told by Myron Ebell, the Competitive Enterprise Institute’s director of energy and global warming policy. “There’s no doubt people in the administration want gasoline to get above $5,” but “gas prices are one of the few things everybody notices.”
Full article at http://m.gazette.com/opinion/prices-115587-obama-supplies.html




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slvemike4u -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 7:05:57 AM)

Do you see yourself as the "messenger" sanity?
We keep telling you ....and telling you...you are merely the "tool" [:)]




Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 7:11:01 AM)


Barbour for president!

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Barbour says Obama cheers for higher gas prices

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WASHINGTON – Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, a potential presidential contender, accused the Obama administration Wednesday of favoring a run-up in gas prices to prod consumers to buy more fuel-efficient cars.

Barbour cited 2008 comments from Steven Chu, now President Barack Obama's energy secretary, that a gradual increase in gasoline taxes could coax consumers into dumping their gas-guzzlers and finding homes closer to where they work. Chu, then a Nobel Prize-winning professor, argued that higher costs per gallon could force investments in alternative fuels and spur cleaner energy sources. "This administration's policies have been designed to drive up the cost of energy in the name of reducing pollution, in the name of making very expensive alternative fuels more economically competitive,"


Barbour said during a U.S. Chamber of Commerce breakfast across the street from the White House. In 2008, while the head of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, Chu told The Wall Street Journal that energy prices were the lynchpin to an energy overhaul.

"Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe," Chu said in September 2008.

Full article here





Edwynn -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 7:27:44 AM)



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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

I have decided on a litmus test for politicians regarding the present budget sitation:

If a politician says they favor cuts in benefits and entitlements (i.e. Social Security, Medicare, etc.) AND voted AGAINST the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy, they are worth listening to. They clearly are concerned with the economy of the nation and fiscal fairness.

If a politician says they favor cuts in benefits and entitlements (i.e. Social Security, Medicare, etc.) AND voted FOR the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy, they are clueless fools who do not understand reality, are probably in the pay of some wealthy campaign contributor(s) - and I ignore them.




Congratulations. You have just described the majority of congress and the majority of those filling administrative positions as in office these last 30 years.


Do a search on the largest lobbies and largest political contributors. Oil, financial, 'agriculture' (which is actually agro-chem companies), and 'healthcare' (which is actually pharma and insurance companies).



Monsanto and Michael Taylor would be one place to start.











Edwynn -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 7:33:11 AM)




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ORIGINAL: Sanity


One day we are "the party of the rich" the next you say we are hicks in the sticks, perhaps some day you hopelessly inconsistent leftists (who couldn't argue an on topic point if your grannys dog food supply depended on  it)  will make up your freakin minds [:D]

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

You parrot the party of the rich and claim to be defending granny and the kids....what a fucking joke.






Your lack of the simplest comprehension in evidence as always.


It's referred to as the 'party of the rich' due to the beneficiaries. In no way be it a description of those destitute of mental faculties that keep voting for them.









Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 7:48:48 AM)


Thats kind of a crazy argument when the point Ive been hammering (on topic [;)]) is how Obamas latest gift to the poor is $5 gas, my friend.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
Your lack of the simplest comprehension in evidence as always.


It's referred to as the 'party of the rich' due to the beneficiaries. In no way be it a description of those destitute of mental faculties that keep voting for them.










thishereboi -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 8:12:23 AM)

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a gradual increase in gasoline taxes could coax consumers into dumping their gas-guzzlers and finding homes closer to where they work.


I have heard this from a few people now. But they can't seem to explain how I am going to have money for a new car and a new house when every extra penny I make goes to pay for the increasing price of gas.




tazzygirl -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 8:12:27 AM)

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six-tenths of 1 percent of all U.S. consumption of liquid fuels.


THATS how much of a decline.

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but a shrinking domestic fuel supply caused by the environmental extremist wing of the DNC.



In fact


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U.S. oil production was up in 2009 and 2010, and is projected to decline only 2 percent this year.


YOu conveniently left much out of that post you quoted, Sanity.

Play fair.

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US crude is now up $20 in two months. The extra wealth oil producers are now draining from America is greater than the annual cost of most US government agencies.


(snip)

Now that’s an oil price shock.


So, what is driving up the costs of oil? Unrest in the Middle East, the lower value of the dollar, the fact that americans are arrogant enough to believe they are entitled to low gas prices so they can cruise in their SUVs, and by golly, they will cruise to the malls, the soccer fields, to their weekend hiking trips, ect ect.

Truth is, Sanity, we ALL share a bit of the blame... not just the DNC. Prices started going up with the "potential" or oil restriction from the Middle East. Sound familiar? It should. The same happened with, and after, Katrina.


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tazzygirl -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 8:20:23 AM)

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Thats kind of a crazy argument when the point Ive been hammering (on topic ) is how Obamas latest gift to the poor is $5 gas, my friend.


I wasnt aware that Obama devalued the dollar by himself.

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Value of dollar falls to new low against the euro
By Vikas Bajaj and Ian Austen
Published: Thursday, September 20, 2007


Investors dumped dollars Thursday, sending the euro to a record high and putting the American currency at par with the Canadian dollar for the first time in more than 30 years.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-21dollar.7592153.html

Seems like its been happening for quite some time. A 30 year low... in 2007.

And im not quite sure. Did Obama have something to do with Katrina? Egypt?

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WASHINGTON – Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, a potential presidential contender, accused the Obama administration Wednesday of favoring a run-up in gas prices to prod consumers to buy more fuel-efficient cars.


Ah yes, the one who coined the term "perma-tororium". Even though the moratorium has been lifted.

Another fired fact checker, perhaps?




Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 11:20:24 AM)


Thank you for being a little more candid about how much you hate people who have to rely on larger capacity vehicles taz, kinda buffers my point that despite all the spin leftist / greens really savor these higher prices.

With more domestic production we wouldnt be so susceptible to problems outside our borders and like it or not and despite all the spin a majority of voters will hold Democrats responsible for the high fuel prices as well as the harm they do to the economy, and thats good because thats squarely where the blame belongs.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
So, what is driving up the costs of oil? Unrest in the Middle East, the lower value of the dollar, the fact that americans are arrogant enough to believe they are entitled to low gas prices so they can cruise in their SUVs, and by golly, they will cruise to the malls, the soccer fields, to their weekend hiking trips, ect ect.

Truth is, Sanity, we ALL share a bit of the blame... not just the DNC. Prices started going up with the "potential" or oil restriction from the Middle East. Sound familiar? It should. The same happened with, and after, Katrina.




Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/15/2011 11:22:10 AM)


Get a grip taz, I never claimed that he did.

However now that you mention it he isnt helping matters at all, is he.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I wasnt aware that Obama devalued the dollar by himself.





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