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Lucylastic -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 7:33:38 PM)

He is laughing at ONE PERSON who gets 8 miles to a gallon, got ten kids,  suggest he gets a hybrid..oh how fucking cruel
thats not laughing AT people,thats laughing at one dick wad
yeah , thatsFUCKING EVIL Man

sweet god, I bet ______________________________________ is 8 inches isnt it
try not to exaggerate too much, you sound like the boy who cried wolf
except we all know its BS with you




Sanity -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 7:45:46 PM)


Im pretty sure the eight mpg thing was an invention on Obamas part, but even giving you that point yeah thats just hilarious, the guys got an older rig and a raft of kids and these gas prices are hurting him, go ahead and yuck it up Mr. President, see ya at the polls

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He is laughing at ONE PERSON who gets 8 miles to a gallon, got ten kids,  suggest he gets a hybrid..oh how fucking cruel
thats not laughing AT people,thats laughing at one dick wad
yeah , thatsFUCKING EVIL Man

sweet god, I bet ______________________________________ is 8 inches isnt it
try not to exaggerate too much, you sound like the boy who cried wolf
except we all know its BS with you





Marini -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 8:09:42 PM)

It looks like we will have a $5 a gallon gas sighting soon, I will keep us posted.

Gas inches near $5 a gallon in Chicago

It looks like a real reality that we will soon break the all time record high gas prices soon.

I am still wondering if gas will be at or near $5 a gallon nationally near Memorial Day.

Now, is not the time to cut back funding on creating alternative renewable energy sources.




Marini -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 8:20:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Bottom line is this folks.

Petroleum is a FINITE resource. We will NOT run out this year or in a decade or in 3 decades. but, some day, the human race WILL run out. What then?
???????!!!!!
There are too many cool things we do with petroleum that do NOT include burning it for fuel.

This is true to the point that civilization would utterly collapse without petroleum. Why, then, are we still burning the stuff? Because there are BILLIONS to be made from said burning, that's why.

The people who are making said billions will be dead and gone before the shit hits the fan so they dont give a shit and they are spending Millions to convince a bunch of loud but feeble minded folks that changing our energy supplies just isn't possible.

It is not only possible, it is necessary for the continuance of the human race into the next century. I wont be here but My progeny will and I, for one, would like to see this species last a looong damn time.

Environmentalists say "We're killing the earth". Sorry guys, we are NOT killing the earth. This old planet has been here for about 4.6 billion years and it has about 4 billion more until the sun goes red giant and toasts it.

What we ARE doing is killing our species.

Some Right wing folks on here have been quoted as hoping for the Singularity. I am too. For you folks that dont know what that is, it is the melding of human mind and machine to make us independent of biological bodies. The problem is that we have to last that long and at the rate we are going, what is left of the human race a century from now will look a lot more like Afghan tribesmen than HAL9000


Great post!
Almost every post on here, turns into stupid partisan bullshit chatter over who is right and who is to blame.
What are we going to do about our dependence on this finite resource?
Of course it is possible to end our dependence on oil, but how and when?





Hillwilliam -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 8:36:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Bottom line is this folks.

Petroleum is a FINITE resource. We will NOT run out this year or in a decade or in 3 decades. but, some day, the human race WILL run out. What then?
???????!!!!!
There are too many cool things we do with petroleum that do NOT include burning it for fuel.

This is true to the point that civilization would utterly collapse without petroleum. Why, then, are we still burning the stuff? Because there are BILLIONS to be made from said burning, that's why.

The people who are making said billions will be dead and gone before the shit hits the fan so they dont give a shit and they are spending Millions to convince a bunch of loud but feeble minded folks that changing our energy supplies just isn't possible.

It is not only possible, it is necessary for the continuance of the human race into the next century. I wont be here but My progeny will and I, for one, would like to see this species last a looong damn time.

Environmentalists say "We're killing the earth". Sorry guys, we are NOT killing the earth. This old planet has been here for about 4.6 billion years and it has about 4 billion more until the sun goes red giant and toasts it.

What we ARE doing is killing our species.

Some Right wing folks on here have been quoted as hoping for the Singularity. I am too. For you folks that dont know what that is, it is the melding of human mind and machine to make us independent of biological bodies. The problem is that we have to last that long and at the rate we are going, what is left of the human race a century from now will look a lot more like Afghan tribesmen than HAL9000


Great post!
Almost every post on here, turns into stupid partisan bullshit chatter over who is right and who is to blame.
What are we going to do about our dependence on this finite resource?
Of course it is possible to end our dependence on oil, but how and when?



We dont have much choice but to quit using so damn much of it for fuel and save it for petrochemicals and manufacturing. The only way to do that is alternative energy sources.

Modern civilization cannot exist without large quantities of energy. We must, therefore, utilize and develop renewable sources.




kittinSol -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 8:43:28 PM)

"Gas prices have spiked."

LET'S GET ON OUR BIKES AND GET THIN FOR SUMMER.

yay




Marini -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 9:04:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

"Gas prices have spiked."

LET'S GET ON OUR BIKES AND GET THIN FOR SUMMER.

yay


lol, actually I plan to do more walking this summer, when I can.
But I will be damned if I am going to ride a bike from VA to MD and back again, in rush hour
traffic to get to work.
Many of us, don't have good alternative forms of transportation.

Many people don't live or work near good public transportation, and if they can't drive to work, carpool or catch a ride, they would not have a job.
Great time to be out of work these days, aint it?

There are many people suffering hardships because of the cost of gas.
I heard a story about a woman that drove about 4 hours a day{roundtrip} to get to work, it took her a long time to get this fairly good job with benefits she really needed for her family.
It is getting to the point, she almost can't afford the gas to get to work, and drives from PA to MD to work.
Public transportation is not available, and it probably would take her 5 hours to get to work {if buses were available}.
Many, many people in the United States live in area's that don't have adequate public transportation.
What options are people going to have that have to drive, and won't be able to afford to buy gas to get to work?




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 9:25:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
President Obama is a shoe in for a second term
I agree that he is, but only because the Republican Party has been taken hostage by hypocritical buffoons, and idiots. If most in the Republican Party were informed, and sane, Obama wouldn't have a chance. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#42541227

quote:

Marini
It looks like we will have a $5 a gallon gas sighting soon, I will keep us posted.

Gas inches near $5 a gallon in Chicago
Without regulation of how much speculators can buy futures on oil, and hold the US people hostage, Gas will reach $5.00. However, it will not be because demand has increased 30-40% in the world, in the last 6 months. The only commentators at CNBC who think oil will go higher, after Goldman Sacks people said "oil price is at least $10 inflated to the top, due to speculation, are the people who own oil futures (though they don't own airlines, or anything requiring massive amounts of oil now/in the future). Anyone who does not own oil futures, said oil is going down... Especially given Japan's misfortune of recent weeks.

The economy is recovering nicely, but I'm willing to bet it will take several steps backward, if Gas prices remain where they are, which will not be good for the president. Obama isn't responsible for what's going on, but many people won't care about that. M





Real0ne -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 9:27:27 PM)

quote:

s prices,which are determined by supply and demand are somehow now tied to Obama?

I had no idea he controlled sppeculation on the open market, OPEC and the fears brought upon by the unrest in th oil pr
quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

How is it that gas prices,which are determined by supply and demand are somehow now tied to Obama?

I had no idea he controlled sppeculation on the open market, OPEC and the fears brought upon by the unrest in th oil producing countries.

Just curious....


supply and demand?  open market?  you are kidding right?

every one blamed dubya for the 4 dollar oil and th eway I see it what is ood for dubyais good for ohaha, but there is silence and no outrage....

must be a partisan thing ya think?




Real0ne -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 9:31:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He is laughing at ONE PERSON who gets 8 miles to a gallon, got ten kids,  suggest he gets a hybrid..oh how fucking cruel
thats not laughing AT people,thats laughing at one dick wad
yeah , thatsFUCKING EVIL Man

sweet god, I bet ______________________________________ is 8 inches isnt it
try not to exaggerate too much, you sound like the boy who cried wolf
except we all know its BS with you




seems to me thats when he put in the plug for "government motors" ain it?




kittinSol -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 9:40:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

"Gas prices have spiked."

LET'S GET ON OUR BIKES AND GET THIN FOR SUMMER.

yay


lol, actually I plan to do more walking this summer, when I can.
But I will be damned if I am going to ride a bike from VA to MD and back again, in rush hour
traffic to get to work.
Many of us, don't have good alternative forms of transportation.





Too true, too true. There needs to be an integrated public transport policy in this country, but you know as well as I do what happens whenever the suggestion of such a thing is made.

Buses, undergrounds and trains ARE progress - it's terrifying that politicians have somehow convinced so many Americans that the car was the one and only solution to transport... The car industry has made Americans slaves to their products and slaves to petrol.

What's new?




Edwynn -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 9:57:25 PM)

FR


I know this is hard for some to hear, but the only way that any dent can be made in dependence on oil, environmental damage, the negative trade balance, the national debt, and more, is by ...

Higher gas prices.

Which in the case of the US means prices reflecting actual total costs to both the environment that are not fully paid by either the sellers or buyers ("external costs") and the lost revenue that could otherwise go to funding services that otherwise have to be obtained in a manner more harmful to both society and the overall economy. The chickens have quite noisily come home to roost on that score here lately.

For beginners, here's what people in the US have yet to catch up on in terms of what all the other modern developed economies do, starting with price at the pump, this taken from a site of a UK group:

http://www.see-search.com/business/fuelandpetrolpriceseurope.htm

Prices and monthly trends Unleaded pence/ltr Diesel pence/ltr from see-search.com
Country
PRICE move/mth PRICE move/mth
Austria 75 -0.2 69.8 +0.1
Belguim 95 +6.2 78.2 +4.7
Czech Rep
71.5 +0.8 71.5 +1.3
Denmark 92.2 -0.4 80.8 -2.0
Eire 74.5 -0.3 74 -0.8
Finland
89.4 +6.6 69.2 +2.9
France
85.2 -1.5 85.2 +9.1
Germany
90 +3.3 77.4 +1.3
Greece 65.7 +1.9 64.7 +2.0
Netherlands
100.3 +1.2 77.1 +2.3
Hungary
83.5 +3.7 79.8 -3.2
Italy
87.2 +7.2 79.4 -0.8
Luxembourg
76.5 +4.2 63.7 +1.3
Norway
94.8 -2.0 88.7 -1.1
Poland
79.5 +0.7 72.2 +4.3
Portugal
85.8 +2.0 69.2 -0.4
Spain 66.4 -4.9 66.5 182
Sweden
82.1 -6.7 82.1 +0.8
Switzerland 72.1 +0.6 77.1 +1.1
United Kingdom(Av)
96.5 +6.9 94.8 +2.3

USA
37.5 +2.1 38.2 +0.3
Data sourced - ERIC/USA Av August 2005)


The group is complaining about the UK prices being too high, and they are probably right, it being that the UK and the US are more adept than the typical EU country in siphoning of national wealth to the few.

But now that that's done, notice that individual country pump prices have nothing proportionately to do with barrel price of oil but rather how different countries partake of that income and how it is directed thence. You have to read about all the other ways those countries conduct their business to understand why/how they tax petrol as they do. Sorry to make it complicated, but they recognize the overall implications of energy usage better than some, and so oil itself is not treated as quite the 'separate issue' that it is further west.

"Won't higher gas prices make the US economy suffer?" Price changes usually, not always, affect the short term. But is the US alone in feeling the upsurge in price, whatever it is locally elsewhere? The price goes up for everybody, China included. And as for medium term economic considerations, if the fundamentals are in place the price never historically affects output.

Another FAQ:
"If we just drill more, won't that keep the price lower?"

Before getting to the bigger picture, notice that Norway can easily supply it's own oil needs and still export plenty. Notice also that their pump price of petrol is well on the high side. Notice also that Norway actually gives a sh#t about their own people. (oooops, let that last one slip, sorry).

In the last 50 years, barrel price is set by worldwide demand and worldwide supply. As pointed out above, local/regional/national price of petrol is set by the localities, but the movements up or down are set by the official exchange price of whatever benchmark crude.

Here's a chart of the top existing sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_fields

I'm not going to paste the chart here, but look down the list a bit before you find a US field at the 20th spot, then quite a bit further down before you find the next US wells.

So, the US gets back to furthering domestic drilling; make no mistake that the Dakotas will produce useful output, and that sane and unhurried offshore drilling would be of some help. But look at the chart/list again and tell me how that will have any affect whatsoever on the world price of oil.

None. Zip.

What refiners pay is the going world price, and what you pay at the pump is determined by whatever your country and state decide to take from that to contribute to society or not, but local drilling in the US will  never affect any of that materially.


The only way to drive away from this mess is to get to less energy usage by way of technology.

Not by digging out more of what got us into this mess and perpetuating it.


Higher gas prices is the only way for any of that to occur.


Keep heads high folks, things are going where they need to right now.



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kittinSol -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 10:01:42 PM)

Thanks to your choice of font, I was only able to read approximately 25/35% of your post. The rest disappeared in a sea of rather palish pixels.

I ought to thank you for this, really :-D.




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 10:07:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn
FR

I know this is hard for some to hear, but the only way that any dent can be made in dependence on oil, environmental damage, the negative trade balance, the national debt, and more, is by ...

Higher gas prices.
That is true, but you are dreaming... That isn't going to happen, while the people who own the oil companies need us to keep the trucks. They'll stretch us, but only for up to the point they feel, the elasticity can accomodate. You must think the US is losing it's pants warring poor people in oil rich countries for nothing.

Unfortunately, I do not believe, it was accidental/coincidental, that Goldman Sacks decided to chit on oil prices today. It was also reported today, that people are pulling back on travels/spending, and consideration of buying new homes, with higher Gas prices. M




Edwynn -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 10:08:41 PM)


It was not a choice on my part.

It was a limitation of the Bill Gates/Sun Microsystems/flash/adobe ........ 

process.

Some copy/paste in combo with some bbs software works well.

Other combos not well at all.


I am consistent in method, and the modern day internet is not.


Sorry.







Edwynn -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 10:13:11 PM)



I have never had such a situation before, where the copy/paste hijacked whatever was going on before elsewhere.


I absolutely hate the above post. Allow me the narrow edit time frame here to fix it.







Marini -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 10:13:46 PM)

Edwynn, it's all good.
You can go back and edit your post.

Try to delete the blank space at the bottom of your last post.





Real0ne -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 10:22:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

"Gas prices have spiked."

LET'S GET ON OUR BIKES AND GET THIN FOR SUMMER.

yay


lol, actually I plan to do more walking this summer, when I can.
But I will be damned if I am going to ride a bike from VA to MD and back again, in rush hour
traffic to get to work.
Many of us, don't have good alternative forms of transportation.





Too true, too true. There needs to be an integrated public transport policy in this country, but you know as well as I do what happens whenever the suggestion of such a thing is made.

Buses, undergrounds and trains ARE progress - it's terrifying that politicians have somehow convinced so many Americans that the car was the one and only solution to transport... The car industry has made Americans slaves to their products and slaves to petrol.

What's new?




yeh it didnt take long for wisconsinites to wake up elect walker and DOWN the tubes it went!

WE THE PEOPLE




kittinSol -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 10:25:36 PM)

Bossy!! It's good to see you.

I agree with you - when oil prices shoot up, someone is benefiting from it. And it's usually not one of us.

TAX THE MARKETS.





Real0ne -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/12/2011 10:39:43 PM)

quote:


The only way to drive away from this mess is to get to less energy usage by way of technology.


thats BS they held back on building refineries to meet demand, there is plenty of oil.




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