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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 8:13:58 AM

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Are you sure its not time for a return of the "science" of Eugenics, Marc?

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 8:21:41 AM

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I have no idea if it is true, but I do know the mainstream media would never report factually and truthfully on this: http://www.mediaite.com/online/for-those-that-find-birtherism-passe-blogs-report-on-obamas-brain-surgery-scars/ Experience teaches me when leftists whine and moan there is something there.

Experience has shown Me that the neocons are scared shitless of scientific facts.

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 8:24:54 AM

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I am asking the Mods to move this to health and safety..

thats where I should have posted it in the first place (hindsight is 20/20), since my intent was more to look at the MRI scans than to start a battle...

I just thought the scans were interesting. Hell, the images are cool!!

but I believe I will bow out of this now (I think.. oh wait.. what would an MRI show??? )

bon soir, folks...

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 8:27:23 AM

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I would like clarify a misunderstanding that "some" people have interpretted this whole thing. None of the articles are saying liberals are smarter or conservatives are dummer. Based on the locations of the brain the process complexity, liberals seem to have more gray matter there. And based on the locations of the brain for processing fear, conservatives seem to have bigger brains. When you take a look around and see who's really afraid of change and causes the biggest ruckusses, it becomes quite apparent who's who. GT didn't post a rant, she didn't accuse. Some people did start accusing here, though. Any bets on why?

(and for the record, whether liberal or not, I would rather be more capable of processing a complex issue, than being afraid to do anything different for fear of what may happen and all that yadda yadda stuff....I can't help it that I also happen to be a liberal!

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 8:34:17 AM

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The advances in MRI and brain tech is fascinating all on its own, I cant remember the program but I was watching where particular areas of the brain affected show up when asked questions,that they can now tell pretty predictably when someone is lying, even if they believe the lie( altho dont quote me on that) things like memory, knowledge happiness etc is located, its exciting times.
I had an MRI a few days ago, and I so wanted to be able to see it, it wasnt of my head, but still its pretty damn cool

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 8:36:26 AM

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I am asking the Mods to move this to health and safety..

thats where I should have posted it in the first place (hindsight is 20/20), since my intent was more to look at the MRI scans than to start a battle...

I just thought the scans were interesting. Hell, the images are cool!!

but I believe I will bow out of this now (I think.. oh wait.. what would an MRI show??? )

bon soir, folks...

You don't have to run off because of me. That was in "reply" to you because you were the OP. I fancy that I know you well enough to know that it was your well known interest in science that attracted your attention. I do not classify you as a facist fucker. In fact, you are one of the few regulars on the board that I don't classify as a facist fucker (myself included) since you are one of the few people who I have never seen make a truly nasty comment against anyone. What pisses me off is people who consider themselves superior (outside of a fun BDSM context) to others.

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 8:49:11 AM

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I would like clarify a misunderstanding that "some" people have interpretted this whole thing. None of the articles are saying liberals are smarter or conservatives are dummer.

No, but that is where this shit is leading.

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Based on the locations of the brain the process complexity, liberals seem to have more gray matter there. And based on the locations of the brain for processing fear, conservatives seem to have bigger brains.

Translation: "liberals are smart, civilized, people while conservatives are knucle draggin Neaderthals."

How is that any different than: "my religion is right and your religion is wrong," or "white people are naturaly law abiding while black people are naturaly thieves," ?

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When you take a look around and see who's really afraid of change and causes the biggest ruckusses, it becomes quite apparent who's who.

Is it really? Or does it just appear that way from your (obviously superior) persepctive. If liberals aren't afriad of change then the words "President Palin," should not cause a nervous sweat in them (and for the record, those words do cause me to shiver in fear). Everbody fears change! The difference is in what changes we fear.

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GT didn't post a rant, she didn't accuse.

Nor have I accused her of such.

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Some people did start accusing here, though. Any bets on why?

Fear of change? We wouldn't want those inferior others to get any notions of getting out of their place and upsetting the natural order of things.

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(and for the record, whether liberal or not, I would rather be more capable of processing a complex issue, than being afraid to do anything different for fear of what may happen and all that yadda yadda stuff....I can't help it that I also happen to be a liberal!)

Ahhh! Your superiority validated!

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 9:26:31 AM

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I would like clarify a misunderstanding that "some" people have interpretted this whole thing. None of the articles are saying liberals are smarter or conservatives are dummer.

No, but that is where this shit is leading.

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Based on the locations of the brain the process complexity, liberals seem to have more gray matter there. And based on the locations of the brain for processing fear, conservatives seem to have bigger brains.

Translation: "liberals are smart, civilized, people while conservatives are knucle draggin Neaderthals."

How is that any different than: "my religion is right and your religion is wrong," or "white people are naturaly law abiding while black people are naturaly thieves," ?

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When you take a look around and see who's really afraid of change and causes the biggest ruckusses, it becomes quite apparent who's who.

Is it really? Or does it just appear that way from your (obviously superior) persepctive. If liberals aren't afriad of change then the words "President Palin," should not cause a nervous sweat in them (and for the record, those words do cause me to shiver in fear). Everbody fears change! The difference is in what changes we fear.

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GT didn't post a rant, she didn't accuse.

Nor have I accused her of such.

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Some people did start accusing here, though. Any bets on why?

Fear of change? We wouldn't want those inferior others to get any notions of getting out of their place and upsetting the natural order of things.

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(and for the record, whether liberal or not, I would rather be more capable of processing a complex issue, than being afraid to do anything different for fear of what may happen and all that yadda yadda stuff....I can't help it that I also happen to be a liberal!)

Ahhh! Your superiority validated!

Somehow I don't think you mean to validate my superiority, but I won't argue with you!

That this particular study is depicting the brain activity of liberals and conservatives is naturally going to turn into a political thing. I can't help it if it displeases you or if that makes me superior in your eyes. There have been MRI studies of the brain depicting when seemingly sane, rational people are showing signs of alzheimer's (in the brain), MRI's show the affect of the brain of an alcoholic. MRI's show a lot of things. That you think this particular study and my liberalism is a sign of my superiority is your opinion and sounds like a personal problem to me. But we all have opinions.

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 9:32:46 AM

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I have had several MRi scans and I was not asked my political affiliation. What about those that have changed parties? What about the independents?

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 9:46:30 AM

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I have had several MRi scans and I was not asked my political affiliation. What about those that have changed parties? What about the independents?

The brain is an evolving structure, As long as it stays active, new connections are constantly being formed.

Young people tend to be more fearless (TEND OK).

Could that be a reason why they also tend to have more liberal leanings?

Just a question for further research. A long-term linear study (30-40 years) using the same subjects and a questionaire that isn't exclusive to but includes their political leanings might show some interesting data. (or it might not LOL)

Political leanings tend to change over time. Might the supposedly associated brain centers change as well?

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 11:08:04 AM

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From your link:

Meanwhile, self-described conservatives are more likely to have a larger amygdala, an almond-shaped area that is associated with fear and anxiety.

Yes, that's what Holly Bailey says. Here's what the researchers say:

Based on what is known about the functions of those two brain regions, the structural differences are consistent with reports showing a greater ability of liberals to cope with conflicting information and a greater ability of conservatives to recognize a threat, the researchers say.

Of further interest, though possibly inconvenient from a certain point of view...

recent research using monkeys has revealed that heightened ACC activity (generally associated with reduced dopamine utilization) reduces capacity to learn how to use visual cues for anticipating rewards... Evidence for the role of the ACC as having an error detection function comes from consistent observations of error-related negativity (ERN) uniquely generated within the ACC upon error occurrences... [but] It is worth noting at this point that no-one has clearly demonstrated that the ERN comes from the ACC. Source localization of ERP components is a notoriously messy business. The ERN could come from any number of brain regions, perhaps several. In light of this, it is striking that patients with lateral PFC damage (not medial) showed reduced ERNs.

Actually, the ACC presents quite a few mysteries that Holly's simplistic characterization "associated with fear and anxiety" fails to convey.

Another puzzle is the finding of decreased dorsal ACC activation and increased rostroventral ACC activation in induced sadness and depression (Mayberg et al., 1999).

Shall we interpret the cited findings as possibly indicating that liberals are depressed?

And more importantly, does this mean that Yahoo News tells lies intentionally?

References in order of excerpts:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110407121337.htm
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Anterior_cingulate_cortex
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/126/10/2119.full

Thank you. Carry on.

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 11:22:45 AM

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And who is far left Newsweek Magazines' Holly Bailey, anyway...

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 11:25:24 AM

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Somehow I don't think you mean to validate my superiority, but I won't argue with you! That this particular study is depicting the brain activity of liberals and conservatives is naturally going to turn into a political thing. I can't help it if it displeases you or if that makes me superior in your eyes. There have been MRI studies of the brain depicting when seemingly sane, rational people are showing signs of alzheimer's (in the brain), MRI's show the affect of the brain of an alcoholic. MRI's show a lot of things. That you think this particular study and my liberalism is a sign of my superiority is your opinion and sounds like a personal problem to me. But we all have opinions.

I am not validating your superiority but this study – in your perception – is. I have no doubt that had the study shown things to be the other way around that the positions of several posters around here would be reversed. Such is the nature of ideology (the defining rule of an ideology is: the ideology is never wrong). The truth of the matter is that the only thing this study proves is that people are different. It is the fact that people will use such a study to bolster their notions of their own superiority that dips my balls in the deep fryer. Notions of superiority have caused far too many tragedies and atrocities in our history.

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 11:33:42 AM

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Which, that is the basis for my earlier quip about Eugenics

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I am not validating your superiority but this study – in your perception – is. I have no doubt that had the study shown things to be the other way around that the positions of several posters around here would be reversed. Such is the nature of ideology (the defining rule of an ideology is: the ideology is never wrong). The truth of the matter is that the only thing this study proves is that people are different. It is the fact that people will use such a study to bolster their notions of their own superiority that dips my balls in the deep fryer. Notions of superiority have caused far too many tragedies and atrocities in our history.

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 11:35:57 AM

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The brain is an evolving structure, As long as it stays active, new connections are constantly being formed.

I might be wrong but I have heard, more than once, that this process stops around the age of twenty-five.

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Young people tend to be more fearless (TEND OK).

Could that be a reason why they also tend to have more liberal leanings?

Just a question for further research. A long-term linear study (30-40 years) using the same subjects and a questionaire that isn't exclusive to but includes their political leanings might show some interesting data. (or it might not LOL)

Political leanings tend to change over time. Might the supposedly associated brain centers change as well?

I believe that one of the reasons people tend to become more conservative as they grow older is that they have accumulated their wealth (house, savings, etc) and become more settled (it's hard to party all the time when you've got kids to look after, a lawn to mow, etc) and so seek to conserve what their more risk taking youth produced. When you are young and have very little, change is good since change represents an improvement. When you are older and have acquired the means and material you need to live well, change is bad since change represents a deterioration of the status quo.

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 11:41:14 AM

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Which, that is the basis for my earlier quip about Eugenics

That's exactly why this shit pisses me off so much. It smacks just a little to closely to Eugenics.

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 11:58:33 AM

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WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 12:17:06 PM

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Well, then, I suppose an apology is in order, on my part, for making it seem that I am superior. I do have a large vocabularly, I am a liberal...and quite frankly, yes, I liked hearing the outcome of the report. But I certainly didn't mean to make myself seem unapproachable....too good for anyone else.....or to anger someone over my comments.

I am taking my leave from this discussion because apparently it is not very popular among some.

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 12:19:02 PM

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WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!

My thought exactly...superior or not!!!

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RE: MRI's and political leanings - 4/12/2011 12:21:30 PM

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Oh goody...another scientific study. I wonder how many of those, in my 28 years as a doctor, I have read only to later see interpretation upon interpretation upon interpretation by experts that end up concluding the original study was poorly done...poorly analyzed....poorly planned....etc, etc. Coffee will kill you...no, it won't. Pot turns you into a maniac...no, it doesn't.
all women have a maternal instinct...no, they do not. Chocolate is bad for you...good for you...bad for you.

I wonder just how I can be a doctor and make complex decisions about ruling this problem in and that one out and STILL be a conservative. Hmmmmm....could it be that not all conservatives ARE like Glenn Beck....or Sarah Palin...?

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