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Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 6:40:28 AM   
DomKen


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Another right wing media source admits they tell lies intentionally.
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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 7:03:58 AM   
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Yes ken, you caught us. Youre right... all conservatives are the devil and all leftists have only the purest thoughts, motives and intentions...




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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 7:06:39 AM   
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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 7:16:53 AM   
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Why don't you address the issue instead of posting nonsense?

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 7:31:43 AM   
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That is the topic, ken. I was merely paraphrasing it when I wrote:

"...all conservatives are the devil and all leftists have only the purest thoughts, motives and intentions"





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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 7:35:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		A piss poor paraphrase, it does not reflect what the nutsucker in the article said.

A better paraphrase would be:  Nutsuckers engage in histrionics that destroy the country while simultaneously ignoring or lying about the facts.

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 7:43:22 AM   
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Why don't you address the issue instead of posting nonsense?


Because he can't address the issue without openly admitting that many of the places he is so fond of posting from just make shit up.

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 8:58:17 AM   
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That is the topic, ken. I was merely paraphrasing it when I wrote:

"...all conservatives are the devil and all leftists have only the purest thoughts, motives and intentions"

Actually the topic is that within the last month two major parts of the right wing media world have admitted they knowingly distribute untrue stories. Why don't you address that fact?

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 9:07:42 AM   
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That is the topic, ken. I was merely paraphrasing it when I wrote:

"...all conservatives are the devil and all leftists have only the purest thoughts, motives and intentions"

Actually the topic is that within the last month two major parts of the right wing media world have admitted they knowingly distribute untrue stories. Why don't you address that fact?


Aparently it is a side effect of an overgrown "fear center" in the brain.

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 9:23:26 AM   
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That is the topic, ken. I was merely paraphrasing it when I wrote:

"...all conservatives are the devil and all leftists have only the purest thoughts, motives and intentions"

Actually the topic is that within the last month two major parts of the right wing media world have admitted they knowingly distribute untrue stories. Why don't you address that fact?


Because as many of us have observed, that conservatives dont use such silly notions as 'facts' or 'evidence' to support their arguements. Their the ones with Creationists, Birthers, Warmers, and Sarah Palin wannabes. Most, if not all of it, is easy to dismiss with just a simple goggle search. The worst of it, when a whole swath of people start believing that crap, come on to forums across the nation (like this one), and parrot what was told. They then get slammed (justifiably with the facts) and dont possess the critical thinking skills needed to make a good and proper counter-arguement.

Sanity is a great example of this menality, and we are fortunate, that he has once more put it on display here. How often do we have to correct conservatives of their garbage attutides on events/people in our world? Everyday? And STILL, they persist, blaming everything on 'liberals' like that is even remotely the case.

It should be taken quite seriously that a news organization, that had a wide viewership routinely publishs complete lies. This is not considered an important concept among conservatives obviously, but for everyone else it is. The Found Fathers understood that goverments did use the media to control the population; hence why there's 'Freedom of the Press' in the 1st Amendment. There are thosands of examples of FOX News reporting bad and/or very misleading information on youtube.com. And STILL, they publish such garbage, because their audience isn't the thinking types but the dim-wits who want to think they are intelligent, educated, and most of all.....wise.

The biggest currency of a news organization isn't their stock price. Nor is it how much money they makei n a year. Its their credibility. Without that, their information is worth less then the paper its written on.

Makes me think us Americans should have that one law our Canadians friends just north of us have for their news. Something about the news not able to report lies and fabrications? And of you Canadians able to point me in the direction of information?

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 10:26:06 AM   
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Another right wing media source admits they tell lies intentionally.

I don't like WND and don't read it, but "misinformation" appearing in an OPINION column is hardly worth frothing over.

K.

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 10:47:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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Another right wing media source admits they tell lies intentionally.

I don't like WND and don't read it, but "misinformation" appearing in an OPINION column is hardly worth frothing over.


So....unless a particular article states itself as news, its just opinion? Am I understanding your 'logic' correctly? So, all those figures in the WSJ that show the ending stock prices for the NYSE yesterday are just 'opinions' and not 'news' or 'facts'?

Those columns were 'news' until it was proven to be false, to which the publisher tried to rewrite history and claim they are 'opinions'. Unfortunately, someone at the slate.com called him on his act of deception.

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 11:09:43 AM   
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I don't like WND and don't read it, but "misinformation" appearing in an OPINION column is hardly worth frothing over.


I don't read any of the blogs and opinion sites on either side.  Some thoughts and facts tilted towards the beliefs of the writer are to be expected.

But out right lies and making things up are not to be tolerated from either side.

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 11:10:26 AM   
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Another right wing media source admits they tell lies intentionally.

I don't like WND and don't read it, but "misinformation" appearing in an OPINION column is hardly worth frothing over.

K.


Well then how about the FNC vice president and Washington managing editor, definitely a news guy not an opinion guy, spreading a claim he didn't believe to be true?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20048382-503544.html

How many instances of the right wing media blatantly making stuff up does it take?

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 11:25:48 AM   
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Well then how about the FNC vice president and Washington managing editor, definitely a news guy not an opinion guy, spreading a claim he didn't believe to be true? ...How many instances of the right wing media blatantly making stuff up does it take?

From the link you posted:

"Last year, candidate Barack Obama stood on a sidewalk in Toledo, Ohio, and first let it slip to Joe the Plumber that he wanted to quote, 'spread the wealth around,'" he said. "At that time, I have to admit, that I went on TV on Fox News and publicly engaged in what I guess was some rather mischievous speculation about whether Barack Obama really advocated socialism, a premise that privately I found rather far-fetched."

Horrors! Lies!

On October 21, as the Daily Beast's Howard Kurtz notes, Sammon said this: "I have read Barack Obama's books pretty carefully, and he in his own words talks about being drawn to Marxists... Now all this stuff's coming out about whether he's a socialist. I don't know why anyone is surprised by it, because if you read his own words and his sort of, you know, orientation coming up as a liberal through college and a young man, it's not a huge shock."

More lies! But hey, count on Media Matters to set the record straight:

"A top Fox News executive has admitted on tape to repeatedly and deliberately misleading viewers," Ari Rabin-Havt, Executive Vice President at Media Matters, sand [sic] in a statement.

Talk about people making shit up.

K.


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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 11:36:53 AM   
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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 12:19:30 PM   
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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 12:20:27 PM   
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Well then how about the FNC vice president and Washington managing editor, definitely a news guy not an opinion guy, spreading a claim he didn't believe to be true? ...How many instances of the right wing media blatantly making stuff up does it take?

From the link you posted:

"Last year, candidate Barack Obama stood on a sidewalk in Toledo, Ohio, and first let it slip to Joe the Plumber that he wanted to quote, 'spread the wealth around,'" he said. "At that time, I have to admit, that I went on TV on Fox News and publicly engaged in what I guess was some rather mischievous speculation about whether Barack Obama really advocated socialism, a premise that privately I found rather far-fetched."

Horrors! Lies!

On October 21, as the Daily Beast's Howard Kurtz notes, Sammon said this: "I have read Barack Obama's books pretty carefully, and he in his own words talks about being drawn to Marxists... Now all this stuff's coming out about whether he's a socialist. I don't know why anyone is surprised by it, because if you read his own words and his sort of, you know, orientation coming up as a liberal through college and a young man, it's not a huge shock."

More lies! But hey, count on Media Matters to set the record straight:

"A top Fox News executive has admitted on tape to repeatedly and deliberately misleading viewers," Ari Rabin-Havt, Executive Vice President at Media Matters, sand [sic] in a statement.

Talk about people making shit up.

K.


Do you not get how utterly inappropriate it is for someone who claims to be providing news to engage in "mischievious speculation?" What about a supposed journalist attacking someone, on air, with charges the journalist privately doesn't believe?

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 12:37:52 PM   
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http://www.salon.com/news/politics/birthers/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/04/11/joseph_farah_wnd_misinformation

Another right wing media source admits they tell lies intentionally.

Address the facts:

1. WND...the subject of the article...is considered to be a FAR right-wing publication,. considered discredited by many...even those on the right Does the use of the word "far" make a difference? Sure does....Bill Maher is FAR left, Katie Couric is on the left.

2. The WND is a not a news source...it is an opinion journal. Jack Cashill...one of the columnists (not reporter) mentioned is an opinion journalist and not even one recognized, like George Will or Thomas Sowell, as credible.

3. If wse are going to call the WND a media source, then we can make the same statement about the Huffington Post, right. And of course, they NEVER post anything that is a lie or remove whole stories when they are called on them, right?

So, what exactly is offered up here? That there are FAR right wingnuts just as there are FAR left wingnuts? Or is this to prove that only the right has problems with these types of yellow journalists? Anyone with timeon their hands can bring up left wing media sources that are just as bad...and again, what does it prove?

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RE: Right wing publisher: We run some misinformation. - 4/12/2011 12:40:49 PM   
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