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Hillwilliam -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:55:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Not much in the form of Democratic representative government back in his day though,heh Rich?Well not in Judea anyway.[:)] I need to just get off this thread. There's no hope of it going well, but dammit, this needs to be answered. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso From one of My ALL time favorite movies.

GOblivion -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:22:47 PM)
Jesus, or Yeshua his given name, was the son of Joseph and Mary. Wed at the time of his birth, and studied under his father as a carpenter. So, he wasn't a bastard nor illegitimate. :) No he wasn't a liberal, condoning most liberal acts and requiring people to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, promoting love thine neighbor, not their sin. Silly thread, you should all do homework first. Also, caps does not make you sound more intelligent, far from it in fact.

slvemike4u -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:27:16 PM)
Well,why don't you just ease on in....and try to make some friends while you get comfortable......oops,a little late for that now isn't it? Welcome to the boards......[8\|] it should be interesting [:)].

Hillwilliam -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:32:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GOblivion Jesus, or Yeshua his given name, was the son of Joseph and Mary. Wed at the time of his birth, and studied under his father as a carpenter. So, he wasn't a bastard nor illegitimate. :) No he wasn't a liberal, condoning most liberal acts and requiring people to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, promoting love thine neighbor, not their sin. Silly thread, you should all do homework first. Also, caps does not make you sound more intelligent, far from it in fact. OK, he wasn't liberal. Care to expand on that?

lockedaway -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:35:46 PM)
No...Jesus was NOT a liberal. The New Testament (a book that allegedly contains quotes and teachings of Christ) says that Christ said "The man that does not work, should not eat." That doesn't sound very liberal to me. Christ allegedly also said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's." That really doesn't imply liberalism either. Christ we CERTAINLY not a social liberal. "I'm ok, your ok" did not apply to Christ. Christ was more of a "go forth but sin no further" kind of guy.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:37:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway No...Jesus was NOT a liberal. The New Testament (a book that allegedly contains quotes and teachings of Christ) says that Christ said "The man that does not work, should not eat." That doesn't sound very liberal to me. Christ allegedly also said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's." That really doesn't imply liberalism either. Christ we CERTAINLY not a social liberal. "I'm ok, your ok" did not apply to Christ. Christ was more of a "go forth but sin no further" kind of guy. Much better thought out than some of the other "he wasn't liberal" posts. thanks.

lockedaway -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:38:42 PM)
Hey...what can I say? Wine and cigars tend to loosen the tongue. Or maybe that should be the fingers as the case may be.

kittinSol -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:40:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Was Jesus a liberal? No. Jesus was a Jew, and he invented Communism. Jesus was Karl Marx. Jesus is my bro'.

lockedaway -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:48:41 PM)
Ummmmmmmmmmm kittin, Godlessness is ESSENTIAL to communism. I'm sure you already know this. Communism, according to Marx, is based on dialectic materialism which is the belief that everything, including MAN, is nothing more than matter in motion. Because matter is in motion, opposites attract and collide. The collision leads to conflict and conflict produces "change". According to communism, there is no God, man does not have a soul, MAN does not have a conscience and all of MAN'S actions are nothing more than a product of his socio-economic environment. In order to be a communist, you can't believe in God. Hey...sorry...those aren't my rules. Moving on from Marx and Engles, communism was advanced by Beatrice and Sydney.......fuck. WEBB!!!! Beatrice and Sydney Webb. Those were contemporaries of George Bernard Shaw. All socialists who advocated for the end result of communism, all of whom flatly stated that God does not exist. Marx died and just about no one showed up at his funeral. Marx's beliefs were taken up by the aforementioned people that started the Fabian Movement. Check out George Bernard Shaw's book "The Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism". It is pretty fucking scary reading for those that value liberty.

kittinSol -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:53:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway Check out George Bernard Shaw's book "The Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism". It is pretty fucking scary reading for those that value liberty. Tout ce qui est doctrinaire est effrayant :-D. That's why those people that twisted the words of Yeshua Ha-Nozri centuries after his death to form what's now known as the New Testament deserve eternal torment in the Frigidaire of Hell. Jesus never tried to create a new religion, or, even worse, a new political doctrine.

lockedaway -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:57:10 PM)
I never said that Jesus created a political doctrine, now did I? And I don't think the New Testament is a twisted book either but if you do, well, whatever. That sounds pretty intolerant.

TheHeretic -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 8:58:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GOblivion caps does not make you sound more intelligent, far from it in fact. Used for emphasis on the word, Gob. I tend to post as if I'm speaking, and do that sometimes. Styles vary around here, but you'll get used to us. Not everybody feels a need to mark sarcasm for the slow, for example. Welcome aboard.

kittinSol -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 9:03:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway I never said that Jesus created a political doctrine, now did I? And I don't think the New Testament is a twisted book either but if you do, well, whatever. That sounds pretty intolerant. Jesus was not a Liberal, but he sounded suspiciously like he'd dabbled in Buddhism; the New Testament is a pile of deceit, and a deliberately deceitful compilation; if it makes anyone feel good, all the more power to them. Et voila [8D] !!!

slvemike4u -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 9:06:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway Check out George Bernard Shaw's book "The Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism". It is pretty fucking scary reading for those that value liberty. Tout ce qui est doctrinaire est effrayant :-D. That's why those people that twisted the words of Yeshua Ha-Nozri centuries after his death to form what's now known as the New Testament deserve eternal torment in the Frigidaire of Hell. Jesus never tried to create a new religion, or, even worse, a new political doctrine. You know I had almost forgotten just how much I loved you...than you went and spoke french again......and my heart started thumping [:)]

Owner59 -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 9:07:24 PM)
Told us to comfort and heal the sick,feed the hungry,council the criminal,clothe the naked and he gave away free healthcare.He rebelled against the religious elite/conservative establishment but never sold out to the Romans.Ie., kept his integrity.Which was his undoing. Sounds pretty liberal. Conservative are always very uncomfortable with this topic and with liberation theology in general.

lockedaway -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 9:14:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Told us to comfort and heal the sick,feed the hungry,council the criminal,clothe the naked and he gave away free healthcare.He rebelled against the religious elite/conservative establishment but never sold out to the Romans.Ie., kept his integrity.Which was his undoing. Sounds pretty liberal. Conservative are always very uncomfortable with this topic and with liberation theology in general. You are misguided. Yes, Jesus told us to do all of those things.......voluntarily. Philanthropy, Owner, is ONLY philanthropy when it is voluntarily given. When it is confiscated through onerous taxation.....it is TYRANNY. You want to be charitable? Be charitable. I am.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 9:15:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda What's the difference? The principle's the same. People need to help each other out and care for other members of their community. Why split hairs? Cause splitting hairs is all that he has

TheHeretic -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 9:19:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda What's the difference? The principle's the same. People need to help each other out and care for other members of their community. Why split hairs? Cause splitting hairs is all that he has Panda, it isn't splitting hairs to point out the difference between indivdual action, and the action of the state. Flco, all you have is the bullshit of making such a claim (or latching onto a claim you likely aren't clever enough to have puzzled out for yourself).

Owner59 -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 9:20:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Told us to comfort and heal the sick,feed the hungry,council the criminal,clothe the naked and he gave away free healthcare.He rebelled against the religious elite/conservative establishment but never sold out to the Romans.Ie., kept his integrity.Which was his undoing. Sounds pretty liberal. Conservative are always very uncomfortable with this topic and with liberation theology in general. You are misguided. Yes, Jesus told us to do all of those things.......voluntarily. Philanthropy, Owner, is ONLY philanthropy when it is voluntarily given. When it is confiscated through onerous taxation.....it is TYRANNY. You want to be charitable? Be charitable. I am. I hear (from fundies) that all nations should bow to the lord. Can`t argue w/ god,now can we?

TheHeretic -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 9:24:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice John 18 10Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus. 11Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? Matthew 26 51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. DC has actually done a great job here of showing the futility of this discussion. Two versions of the same event, two very different statements attributed to Jesus. Once saying this was not a time for violence, once condemning violence. Which one is right? Are they both right? Is there perhaps a meaning beyond the literal, where both are equally true?

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