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RE: slave contract ... - 4/14/2011 10:18:20 PM

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Yes Mistress Janice Mistress, as long as your provide the chef's uniform and the tub of eels. I'm a little short on eels at the moment.

I think a llama needs to be involved here somewhere.

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RE: slave contract ... - 4/14/2011 10:21:19 PM

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Logically and legally for a contract to be binding, it can not contain illegal activities. Since slavery itslef is illegal, regardless of the activities, that makes it impossible.

I'm with you there.

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Further, the ability to say it was signed under duress would be a near no brainer to prove. Common sense should tell you how easy it would be to take advantage of vulnerable people (regardless of "age of consent).

Really? Even if someone was psychologically/intellectually tested for for being of average/better intelligence, sound mind, and with a lawyer or two as withnesses? I'm not saying it will be legal, but are you trying to tell me people of age who do BDSM are easily shown to be incompetent or vulnerable?

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All in all, I believe that statement was one of the most ignorant I have seen, and here that is saying something.

I don't have a problem with not knowing everything. Be smart, that's great; but you know very well, my statement about wishing BDSM partner contracts to be legally binding, as long as all partners can consent/remove consentanytime.... At collarme, where people agree to be branded, ingest human waste products, etc is the most ignorant you've ever read. The hyperbole is noted, but please don't think you're impressive with the name calling. Sua... M

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RE: slave contract ... - 4/15/2011 5:06:33 AM

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Because I post from my phone, I can't quote you. It creates a mess.

But yes, from a legal standpoint, if the "contract" was being disputed in a court with the slave trying to get out, or worse the contract was being used as a defense in a criminal action, the slaves psychological status could easily be shown to be vulnerable.

Remember, most such disputes would involves a slave looking to leave and a master refusing. People can and do change with time. Someone deciding they want out of any kind of relationship can't be denied. As for what they leave with, that would be more difficult but again, the slave's attorney's best argument would be diminished capacity and being emotionally vulnerable is the best way to get it. It is important to remember that court proceedings for domestic issues don't always look at "facts."

On a final note, let's not forget that marriage "contracts" are supossedly "until death do us part," but that has never been an adequate legal argument to prevent divorce and one partner being the only financial contributor hasn't prevented equitable distibution.

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RE: slave contract ... - 4/15/2011 10:10:41 AM

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Hi Lafayette Lady,

That's the distinction here! A marriage contract includes the sharing of worldly goods (unless modified by a prenuptial agreement of course). A slave contract may or may not do so. I did not read anything in this contract that mentioned sharing those worldly goods. I could have missed it.

I do have a question about having a vulnerable psychological status. Where does being a full on wanker fall into that? I may be in trouble there myself! ;-P

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RE: slave contract ... - 4/15/2011 9:20:29 PM

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Thank you for this much response.
I know this will never become law, given the potentially unfair nature of D/s, or M/s relationships.
What makes me nervous, and makes me wish for a legal out, is when people have some sadism/masochism mixed in their relationships. If someone goes to the hospital, with bruises, or looking battered, some overzealous health care worker might get one prosecuted, or at least looked at as a suspected abuser, given the evidence. It's one of the reasons, casual play has never been my thing.

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I do have a question about having a vulnerable psychological status. Where does being a full on wanker fall into that? I may be in trouble there myself! ;-P

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LOL That would make for a good defense, if the lady were to find you, and smack you around a bit,

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RE: slave contract ... - 4/29/2011 5:56:40 PM

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Your profile says you are in Denmark. The contract is issued from someone in South Africa. I may be a product of the public school system, but last time I checked, that was a considerably long distance. So unless your Domme has really long legs.... which I doubt...or you plan to move there sight unseen...which is foolish.... this is, as LNT stated: a fantasy.

If the fantasy works for you both, go for it. Slave contracts are not considered a legally binding document (at least not in the states) ...I am not qualified to tell you if it is binding where you are (or her) It may be significant to you and her personally, and that's a whole other matter. Be wary if this involves money--if so, I would consider it a complete scam.
That made me laugh. OP what LNT and Hausboy said, covers the conserns, and slave contracts are only good between you two, and invalid to the legal system, I would imagine in most countries.

I would actually like slave contracts to be binding, when entered into by two or more consenting adults, just like marriage contracts. M

just call it something else and go to a good lawyer. A legal contract is an obligation, and you can get a lawyer to write something legally binding for almost anything.

You say that slave word though, and since that such a loaded word nowadays it won't be legal any time soon.

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Logically and legally for a contract to be binding, it can not contain illegal activities. Since slavery itslef is illegal, regardless of the activities, that makes it impossible.
I'm with you there.

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Further, the ability to say it was signed under duress would be a near no brainer to prove. Common sense should tell you how easy it would be to take advantage of vulnerable people (regardless of "age of consent).
Really? Even if someone was psychologically/intellectually tested for for being of average/better intelligence, sound mind, and with a lawyer or two as withnesses? I'm not saying it will be legal, but are you trying to tell me people of age who do BDSM are easily shown to be incompetent or vulnerable.

If the contract is officially called a slave contract, or has anything in it that is considered illegal, there is no way any court will find the contract legal, and it is almost guaranteed the court will say signee is not of sound mind or body. If you want proof just go look in the news section.

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Thank you for this much response.
I know this will never become law, given the potentially unfair nature of D/s, or M/s relationships.
What makes me nervous, and makes me wish for a legal out, is when people have some sadism/masochism mixed in their relationships. If someone goes to the hospital, with bruises, or looking battered, some overzealous health care worker might get one prosecuted, or at least looked at as a suspected abuser, given the evidence. It's one of the reasons, casual play has never been my thing.

That is the risk everyone in the scene takes. There is no out if some overzealous moron wants to ignore the person in the hospital. What is being done is mostly illegal. A domme of any stripe that leaves any marks takes legal risk.

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