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imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 8:41:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

My apologies for the crack rant....sort of went off on a tear there....sorry.



Yeah, crack is fucked up.

I still think people should have the choice to use it. Though if cocaine itself were legal it would probably be cheaper than crack is now so nobody would even have to use crack.




tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 8:45:24 PM)

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What sort of fucked up mindset refuses to let a person take control over their own death?


Perhaps because many realize suicidal ideology is a fucked up mindset to begin with?




tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 8:46:59 PM)

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But if it's about the monetary cost to society maybe we should force women on welfare to have abortions? Who's going to pay for that shit? You?


Better yet, lets pay them to not have any more kids. One more and your off welfare, for life.




slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 8:49:26 PM)

No,they shouldn't....and there is no sensible argument that you could make that could convince me so.I would suggest that before you advocate for such things you try them out for awhile....but as I have personal experience with that particular hell...I can not wish it on another.I would instead just ask you to take my word for it.....but I get the feeling you won't [&o][&o][&o][&o][&o]




imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 8:54:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Perhaps because many realize suicidal ideology is a fucked up mindset to begin with?


So it should be illegal?

I'm sure many people also "realize" that wanting to be a TPE slave is a fucked up mindset to begin with. Should that be illegal?

WRT suicide there's only 2 options. One, the person succeeds. Can't prosecute them. Two, the person doesn't succeed. It's illegal. Now they're not only a basket case but a criminal as well. I'm sure that will be an improvement on their quality of life and make them realize life is worth living.

I plan to kill myself if I ever get old and sick enough. I'd rather say goodbye and go peacefully than spend the last year in agony unable to care for myself. I really see nothing wrong with it.




kdsub -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 8:54:45 PM)

Make up your mind hon... Do you want to talk about the thread you started or something else...you have no idea my thoughts on abortion and welfare... but I know your ramblings about crack.

This is a dumb assed thread ...have at it.

Butch




imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 8:59:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Better yet, lets pay them to not have any more kids. One more and your off welfare, for life.


Yeah, I know a lot of people who feel similarly...they absolutely do not want to pay for kids that are born when the mother's on welfare. I've heard other people say that smoking and drinking should be illegal for anyone on Medicaid/Medicare/public health of any sort.

I'm not too keen on using taxes to pay for people's stupid choices but I think in the long run the cost is negligible enough that the monetary price tag alone isn't enough of a reason to limit people's freedoms.




slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:01:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Make up your mind hon... Do you want to talk about the thread you started or something else...you have no idea my thoughts on abortion and welfare... but I know your ramblings about crack.

This is a dumb assed thread ...have at it.

Butch
I totally agree Butch,one would be hard pressed to top it.




imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:02:04 PM)

Please stop trolling my thread.




slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:03:46 PM)

Sweetie,it stopped being "your" thread when you pressed "submit".




imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:04:19 PM)

Please stop trolling this thread.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:04:51 PM)

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Now I am probably one of the most strident proponent of the decriminalization of most narcotics you will find on these pages....but crack is nothing more than manufactured misery.
so you decide which drugs are to be legal and which not?




lusciouslips19 -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:05:24 PM)

Yea, its my thread now!

*waves hi to Mike[sm=waves.gif]




Brain -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:09:15 PM)

I agree euthanasia should be legal especially because I have multiple sclerosis and my friends wife had it and died a few weeks ago because she couldn't swallow food and stuff got into her lungs and she couldn't breathe and die by suffocation. But I do not see how it's possible to make crack legal if people can't get marijuana to become legal. I plan on doing everything possible to stay alive but the idea of suffocating isn't appealing. I always thought if I suffocated it would be from emphysema because I smoked for over 10 years.

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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx


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ORIGINAL: Brain

The way to make crack legal is to make suicide legal. Becoming a drug addict can be a ticket to a death trip. So first acknowledge the consequences of becoming a drug addict which could be easily death and makes suicide legal and then you can easily make crack legal.



Of course suicide should be legal. More to a point, euthanasia should be as well.

What sort of fucked up mindset refuses to let a person take control over their own death?






tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:11:24 PM)

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I'm sure many people also "realize" that wanting to be a TPE slave is a fucked up mindset to begin with. Should that be illegal?


It is illegal. There is no way you can, legally, become a "slave".

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I plan to kill myself if I ever get old and sick enough. I'd rather say goodbye and go peacefully than spend the last year in agony unable to care for myself. I really see nothing wrong with it.


Thats euthanasia, something I do support.

Passive euthanasia
Passive euthanasia entails the withholding of common treatments, such as antibiotics, necessary for the continuance of life.[1]

Active euthanasia
Active euthanasia entails the use of lethal substances or forces to kill and is the most controversial means.


The judicial sense of the term "homicide" includes any intervention undertaken with the express intention of ending a life, even to relieve intractable suffering.[12][13][14] Not all homicide is unlawful.[15] Two designations of homicide that carry no criminal punishment are justifiable and excusable homicide.[15] In most countries this is not the status of euthanasia. The term "euthanasia" is usually confined to the active variety; the University of Washington website states that "euthanasia generally means that the physician would act directly, for instance by giving a lethal injection, to end the patient's life".[16] Physician-assisted suicide is thus not classified as euthanasia by the US State of Oregon, where it is legal under the Oregon Death with Dignity Act, and despite its name, it is not legally classified as suicide either.[17] Unlike physician-assisted suicide, withholding or withdrawing life-sustaining treatments with patient consent (voluntary) is almost unanimously considered, at least in the United States, to be legal.[18] The use of pain medication in order to relieve suffering, even if it hastens death, has been held as legal in several court decisions.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia#Legal_status

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I'm not too keen on using taxes to pay for people's stupid choices but I think in the long run the cost is negligible enough that the monetary price tag alone isn't enough of a reason to limit people's freedoms.


So you would limit a woman's freedom to chose not to become a mother.

It now costs an average middle-income American family $222,360 to raise a child from birth to 18. That’s 22 percent higher than it was in 1960, adjusted for inflation.

Negligible?




slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:13:19 PM)

This isn't trolling...I've been around for awhile....I've seen trolling,this isn't it.What I have tried to do is explain to you,from the point of actual experience how silly your proposition is.That is directly on point and cuts right to the heart of the matter....your belief that a person has the right to engage in any self destructive behavior they might wish to.
Which is of course juvenile and silly on its face....




imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:13:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

I agree euthanasia should be legal especially because I have multiple sclerosis and my friends wife had it and died a few weeks ago because she couldn't swallow food and stuff got into her lungs and she couldn't breathe and die by suffocation. But I do not see how it's possible to make crack legal if people can't get marijuana to become legal. I plan on doing everything possible to stay alive but the idea of suffocating isn't appealing. I always thought if I suffocated it would be from emphysema because I smoked for over 10 years.


Well I definitely think marijuana should be legal - the reason I chose crack was because it's probably the dirtiest and most fucked up drug out there. See, people can easily say, it's a person's choice to have an abortion, it's a person's choice to use marijuana, etc...and they genuinely believe that the reason they think that is because they think a person should be able to do what they want with their own body.

But when you get into the uglier things, like crack, or suicide, it doesn't carry over. Then, a person doesn't have the right to do what they want with their own body, their body becomes public property. So while I don't support crack use, I felt I had to pick the worst one, for the sake of showing that contrast.




slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:14:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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Now I am probably one of the most strident proponent of the decriminalization of most narcotics you will find on these pages....but crack is nothing more than manufactured misery.
so you decide which drugs are to be legal and which not?
Whatever gave you that idea....obviously not,as the ones I would like legalized are still,to my knowledge illegal [:)]




slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:18:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx


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ORIGINAL: Brain

I agree euthanasia should be legal especially because I have multiple sclerosis and my friends wife had it and died a few weeks ago because she couldn't swallow food and stuff got into her lungs and she couldn't breathe and die by suffocation. But I do not see how it's possible to make crack legal if people can't get marijuana to become legal. I plan on doing everything possible to stay alive but the idea of suffocating isn't appealing. I always thought if I suffocated it would be from emphysema because I smoked for over 10 years.


Well I definitely think marijuana should be legal - the reason I chose crack was because it's probably the dirtiest and most fucked up drug out there. See, people can easily say, it's a person's choice to have an abortion, it's a person's choice to use marijuana, etc...and they genuinely believe that the reason they think that is because they think a person should be able to do what they want with their own body.

But when you get into the uglier things, like crack, or suicide, it doesn't carry over. Then, a person doesn't have the right to do what they want with their own body, their body becomes public property. So while I don't support crack use, I felt I had to pick the worst one, for the sake of showing that contrast.
The societal cost of the recreational marijuana user is negligible at worst...non existent in actuality. On the other hand crack use involves a large and substantial societal cost.....that simple fact makes everything else you are blathering about moot.




slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:21:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Yea, its my thread now!

*waves hi to Mike[sm=waves.gif]
Waves hi,right back to Luscious [sm=waves.gif],how are you darling? are you enjoying this silly thread wherein we discuss the advisability of legalizing crack(though I think it is just being used as a metaphor for something or other...still silly as all get out)




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