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imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:23:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl It is illegal. There is no way you can, legally, become a "slave". I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean legal slavery is illegal, or it is illegal to be in a TPE "slave" relationship? I'm under no delusions that TPE is actual "slavery" aside from the shared use of the term, I was talking about the relationship dynamic. Is that actually illegal if there's no BDSM/physical abuse aspect to it? quote: Thats euthanasia, something I do support. I support euthanasia too, but I thought that euthanasia was being killed by someone else? quote: So you would limit a woman's freedom to chose not to become a mother. Not sure what you mean by this? I support legal abortion, if that's what you were unsure of? quote: It now costs an average middle-income American family $222,360 to raise a child from birth to 18. That’s 22 percent higher than it was in 1960, adjusted for inflation. Negligible? Yes. Compared to just about everything else in the federal budget, welfare babies are a drop in the bucket.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:30:13 PM)
quote: the ones I would like legalized [:D] good point, however they should all be legal. a person has the right to do whatever they want with themselves, its their body and their life.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:33:23 PM)
quote: See, people can easily say, it's a person's choice to have an abortion, it's a person's choice to use marijuana, etc...and they genuinely believe that the reason they think that is because they think a person should be able to do what they want with their own body. But when you get into the uglier things, like crack, or suicide, it doesn't carry over. Then, a person doesn't have the right to do what they want with their own body, their body becomes public property. So while I don't support crack use, I felt I had to pick the worst one, for the sake of showing that contrast. You are forgetting the biggest contrast of all. When you are getting all doped up, are there medical personnel standing by? Is a Dr the one administering the crack? Didnt think so. I also dont believe, actually, I know, that a Dr wont do an abortion on a compromised patient. Do you think a crack dealer gives a fuck how compromised your health is? Again, didnt think so. You are comparing apples to oranges.

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:36:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: the ones I would like legalized [:D] good point, however they should all be legal. a person has the right to do whatever they want with themselves, its their body and their life. People do not exist in a vacuum.....what you propose is a step towards anarchy.Society can not exist with everyone free to do whatever they choose to do under the flag of it's my body I will do what I want with it.

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:39:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: See, people can easily say, it's a person's choice to have an abortion, it's a person's choice to use marijuana, etc...and they genuinely believe that the reason they think that is because they think a person should be able to do what they want with their own body. But when you get into the uglier things, like crack, or suicide, it doesn't carry over. Then, a person doesn't have the right to do what they want with their own body, their body becomes public property. So while I don't support crack use, I felt I had to pick the worst one, for the sake of showing that contrast. You are forgetting the biggest contrast of all. When you are getting all doped up, are there medical personnel standing by? Is a Dr the one administering the crack? Didnt think so. I also dont believe, actually, I know, that a Dr wont do an abortion on a compromised patient. Do you think a crack dealer gives a fuck how compromised your health is? Again, didnt think so. You are comparing apples to oranges. I think there is an actual point...and one perhaps with admirable intent behind it.Unfortunately it is not a well thought out argument...and a piss poor "orange" she chose to compare to the "apple" . Perhaps I got the apple and orange mixed up tazzy...but you get my point.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:42:22 PM)
quote: what you propose is a step towards anarchy precisely. if a society cannot exist with such a degree of freedom, then it has no business existing.

TheRaptorJesus -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:43:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: the ones I would like legalized [:D] good point, however they should all be legal. a person has the right to do whatever they want with themselves, its their body and their life. People do not exist in a vacuum.....what you propose is a step towards anarchy.Society can not exist with everyone free to do whatever they choose to do under the flag of it's my body I will do what I want with it. You misunderstand. Not DO what you want but INGEST what you want. If you want to sniff glue, smoke pot, drop acid, drink beer, huff paint, inject heroine, fuck Courtney Love, eat mushrooms, or take asprin... it's your right. You have dominion over what goes into your body... or you should, It goes further than drugs into the fact that the FDA has tried to keep people from drinking milk from their own cows because it wasn't pasteurized... while they annually let pills that will kill hundreds of people go to market.

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:44:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl You are forgetting the biggest contrast of all. When you are getting all doped up, are there medical personnel standing by? Is a Dr the one administering the crack? Didnt think so. No, but doctors don't administer alcohol either. Legal crack would be consistent in dosage and purity. quote: I also dont believe, actually, I know, that a Dr wont do an abortion on a compromised patient. Do you think a crack dealer gives a fuck how compromised your health is? Again, didnt think so. Of course a crack dealer wouldn't. A licensed pharmacist would. Legality (as opposed to decriminalization) allows substances to be regulated and distributed through legal channels.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:44:59 PM)
quote: Yes. Compared to just about everything else in the federal budget, welfare babies are a drop in the bucket. Last year, PP prevented about 600,000 pregnancies. 600,000 * 222,000 = $133,200,200 The number of abortions PP performed last year... 324,008 * 222,000 = 71,929,776 For a grand total of... 205,129,976 Not a bad sum of money... however... that figure of 222,000 doesnt include quite a bit... Expenditures estimated in this study consisted of direct parental expenses made on children through age 17 for seven major budgetary components. These expenditures exclude costs related to prenatal health care. The estimates do not include all government expenditures on children. Examples of excluded expenses would be public education, Medicaid, and subsidized school meals. The actual expenditures on children (by parents and the government), therefore, would be higher than reported in this study, especially for children in the lowest income group. Expenditures on children made by people not in the household, such as grandparents and other relatives, were also not factored in. Indirect costs involved in child rearing were not included in the estimates. Although these costs are typically more difficult to measure than direct expenditures, they may be substantial. The time involved in rearing children is considerable and has a cost attached to it. A recent study found that the imputed value of parental time spent on children exceeded the direct cash expenditures on them (Folbre, 2008). In addition, to care for children, current earnings and future career opportunities may be diminished because of job choice or reduced time in the labor force for one or both parents. These situations also have a cost attached to them. http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/Publications/CRC/crc2009.pdf There are many factors associated with just the financial aspect of raising a child. To say its minimal is misleading at best.

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:45:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus You misunderstand. Not DO what you want but INGEST what you want. If you want to sniff glue, smoke pot, drop acid, drink beer, huff paint, inject heroine, fuck Courtney Love, eat mushrooms, or take asprin... it's your right. You have dominion over what goes into your body... or you should, It goes further than drugs into the fact that the FDA has tried to keep people from drinking milk from their own cows because it wasn't pasteurized... while they annually let pills that will kill hundreds of people go to market. ^

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:46:55 PM)
quote: Of course a crack dealer wouldn't. A licensed pharmacist would. Legality (as opposed to decriminalization) allows substances to be regulated and distributed through legal channels. And even then you will find street drugs available. I dont know of too many illegally run abortion clinics, do you? Point is, abortions are legal, crack is not. Apples and organges.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:48:00 PM)
quote: No, but doctors don't administer alcohol either. I know quite a few Drs who prescribe alcohol as a medication

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:48:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I know quite a few Drs who prescribe alcohol as a medication Prescribe != administer quote: When you are getting all doped up, are there medical personnel standing by? Is a Dr the one administering the crack?

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:50:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And even then you will find street drugs available. I dont know of too many illegally run abortion clinics, do you? Point is, abortions are legal, crack is not. Apples and organges. I don't know of too many moonshine operations or bootleg tobacco sales either. You really miss my point when you say "abortions are legal, crack is not." Yes I am aware of this. The question isn't "is crack legal" it is "should crack be legal" because any idiot with the internet can run a google search and find out whether crack is legal or not.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:50:44 PM)
You were the one who said Drs dont administer alcohol... when in fact, they do.

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:51:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: the ones I would like legalized [:D] good point, however they should all be legal. a person has the right to do whatever they want with themselves, its their body and their life. People do not exist in a vacuum.....what you propose is a step towards anarchy.Society can not exist with everyone free to do whatever they choose to do under the flag of it's my body I will do what I want with it. You misunderstand. Not DO what you want but INGEST what you want. If you want to sniff glue, smoke pot, drop acid, drink beer, huff paint, inject heroine, fuck Courtney Love, eat mushrooms, or take asprin... it's your right. You have dominion over what goes into your body... or you should, It goes further than drugs into the fact that the FDA has tried to keep people from drinking milk from their own cows because it wasn't pasteurized... while they annually let pills that will kill hundreds of people go to market. Of course a whole slew of criminal activities take place before you ingest that substance.In other words there is an awful hell of a lot of doing whatever you want to do....before ingestion.I was young once and didn't think anyone had the right to tell me what to do with my own body...and acted accordingly.How many laws do you think I broke in the pursuit of my high....and during the enjoyment of that high. It is all well and good to advocate for personal freedoms....and I would join you in that,but there is a line in the sand where society,if it intends to remain cohesive and functioning ,can not afford to condone self destructiveness in that pursuit.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:51:53 PM)
quote: I don't know of too many moonshine operations or bootleg tobacco sales either. I know a couple of moonshiners who do a right brisk business down south.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:53:37 PM)
quote: The question isn't "is crack legal" it is "should crack be legal" because any idiot with the internet can run a google search and find out whether crack is legal or not. And yet here you are arguing that people should or should not be able to do what they want with their bodies, when, in reality, you are just wanting someone to agree that crack should be legal. Why didnt you say so to begin with?

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:54:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: No, but doctors don't administer alcohol either. I know quite a few Drs who prescribe alcohol as a medication Tazzy this conversation is beyond useless...I for one am going to exercise dominion over my own body and go to sleep.Good luck with it,but I think sooner or later you are going to get a headache from banging your head against this silly wall.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:55:38 PM)
Sweet dreams, mike. And dont worry about me... had a few tonight and im rather enjoying myself!

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