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rulemylife -> RE: Obama/Cameron/Sarkozy Op-Ed: Is this a declaration of war? (4/20/2011 6:55:20 AM)
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Actually, RML, your interpretation is different from pretty much everybody else in the conversation, and you state that it is based on a single phrase.
Well first, whether my interpretation agrees with everyone else or not is not a valid argument that my interpretation is wrong.
Second, I did not state that my position was based on that single phrase, I said it could be summarized by that phrase.
Do you need some help with the difference between the definitions?
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While they feel Qaddafi needs to go, they feel it is the responsibility of the Libyans to do that and NATO is only there to balance the odds in a limited role.
Do tell us where you see that in the statement. Down in the "now therefore be it resolved" line I see this, it will be the people of Libya, not the U.N., who choose their new constitution, elect their new leaders, and write the next chapter in their history, but they seem to be skimming over the bit about just how Kuhdaffy is supposed to go.
Part of that was based on previous statements by the countries involved.
All the countries involved have consistently said they are there only in a support role to protect civilians while promoting regime change, though not to become actively involved in regime change.
I see nothing inconsistent with that in the statement below:
There is a pathway to peace that promises new hope for the people of Libya — a future without Qaddafi that preserves Libya’s integrity and sovereignty, and restores her economy and the prosperity and security of her people. This needs to begin with a genuine end to violence, marked by deeds not words. The regime has to pull back from the cities it is besieging, including Ajdabiya, Misurata and Zintan, and return to their barracks. However, so long as Qaddafi is in power, NATO must maintain its operations so that civilians remain protected and the pressure on the regime builds. Then a genuine transition from dictatorship to an inclusive constitutional process can really begin, led by a new generation of leaders. In order for that transition to succeed, Qaddafi must go and go for good. At that point, the United Nations and its members should help the Libyan people as they rebuild where Qaddafi has destroyed — to repair homes and hospitals, to restore basic utilities, and to assist Libyans as they develop the institutions to underpin a prosperous and open society.
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Once that magically takes place, the statement seems to be clearly calling for nation building. At that point, the United Nations and its members should help the Libyan people as they rebuild where Qaddafi has destroyed — to repair homes and hospitals, to restore basic utilities, and to assist Libyans as they develop the institutions to underpin a prosperous and open society. That stuff requires boots on the ground, you know.
Helping a nation rebuild after a civil war is not the same as having boots-on-the-ground participating in that war.
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Now, we have established in the past that you aren't always as knowledgable about current events as you like to think, so I'm suggesting you need to go do your Googling. Learn a bit about the rebels, their level of organization, who comprises their leadership, and the sort of cohesion and unified vision they are operating under.
You know, you're like a girlfriend I had who would seize on one thing I said, one time, and never let me forget it.
I told you I was not that familiar with the Muslim Brotherhood, so we didn't establish anything other than my admitting that.
You really crack me up with your arrogance Richie.
Especially after some of the blatantly ridiculous things I've seen you say on here, but as I've said earlier in the thread I won't be giving you a pass on them anymore.
But I'm sure it will be fun..........at least for me.
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