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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 4:13:15 PM   
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Told ya I was gonna sound new agey..(damnit). I really dont talk about this kinda stuff very often, I don't really think its anything to be talked about and I've probably done a poor job of the description anyways.....its just a way of being.


Speaking from someone whose personal quote for the past decade or so has been "We are an infinite number of experiences of ourself." it doesn't sound weird to me at all. :)

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 4:34:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		slavejali,
That was a beautiful explanation of how you see yourself. You spoke from within and attempted to externalize that which has no real words on this plain(IMHO)....I understood your words and appreciate you going  (for me) where words are sketchy at best.....

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 4:38:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		How do I perceive myself?

A father, a doctor, an ex-husband, a dominant, a brother, a romantic. a seminar speaker.  These are all labels I can apply to myself and they are not only how I perceive myself, they are what I am.  They are also NOT all that I am.

Sometimes though, perception involves the use of even more descriptives.  This is where variations can come in which depend on the person who's doing the perceiving.  For example, I see myself as a good father, a great doctor, a decent ex-husband, an exciting dominant, a faithful brother, a strong believer in romance, an interesting seminar speaker.  Others may agree or find me to be the following:  a lousy father, a health-care quack, a stubborn ex-husband, a too-intense dominant (or from the vanillas...a pervert),  or someone who hangs onto romance too tightly (cling-y), a boring, monotonous speaker. 

And people can vary, depending on their situation.  This is where I can both agree and disagree with spankmepink.  Yeah...sometimes a certain point touched on can make a person feel like firing off post after post filled with negatives.  If there is no situation described, then you are dealing only with what is expressed and not viewing it from the perspective of knowing what led them to that feeling.  That can lead to the feeling that the person is an unhappy, angry, insecure person.  And they MAY be, or it could just be the situation to which they are replying has hit on a certain chord within them.   So I will continue to read their future posts, question them, see where else they go to before I form my complete perception. 
I do agree with her that when they start spouting off about "there is only one way" and make it seem as if there is no room for any other view, then yeah...it becomes much easier to perceive that person much more negatively.

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 5:07:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

How do I perceive myself?

A father, a doctor, an ex-husband, a dominant, a brother, a romantic. a seminar speaker.  These are all labels I can apply to myself and they are not only how I perceive myself, they are what I am.  They are also NOT all that I am.

Sometimes though, perception involves the use of even more descriptives.  This is where variations can come in which depend on the person who's doing the perceiving.  For example, I see myself as a good father, a great doctor, a decent ex-husband, an exciting dominant, a faithful brother, a strong believer in romance, an interesting seminar speaker.  Others may agree or find me to be the following:  a lousy father, a health-care quack, a stubborn ex-husband, a too-intense dominant (or from the vanillas...a pervert),  or someone who hangs onto romance too tightly (cling-y), a boring, monotonous speaker. 



Thank you for sharing, my question is how do you define those perspectives that you hold for yourself..What I consider a good Father or a Great Doctor and what others consider may be different. So how does your perspective determine good or great? How does your perspective determine what "status" you give? Is a "status" a perspective or a definition of a perspective or something different?

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 6:05:09 PM   
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Perceptions of what you consider yourself to be....As a part of the society,culture, other "label" that you identify with(sub or dominant) etc......I am curious to see how you see yourself in the world, since it is hard to give others perceptions of you without asking another. Then it would be your perception of their perception.In short, I want your perception of yourself as you feel you relate to your identity in parts or as a whole.Is that clearer?



Asshole...this is my perception and label. Thanks for asking...

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 6:09:15 PM   
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Asshole...this is my perception and label. Thanks for asking...

C

Thank you for posting your "label". I am curious to know where you brought this information from and how you discern it's meaning? Is that all there is to you is "Asshole"? Must be a limiting stance to use one word to describe something that is as unique as ones perspective tends to be.......

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 6:10:58 PM   
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Must be a limiting stance to use one word to describe something that is as unique as ones perspective tends to be.......


Hmmmm...sorta like 'god' or 'brahman' or...
I prefer to think of it as all-encompassing.

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 6:17:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CERCKL


Hmmmm...sorta like 'god' or 'brahmin' or...
I prefer to think of it as all-encompassing.

C


I know humans as a whole tend to limit themselves this ....discovery is disheartning. Especially coming from one who is as well spoken  as yourself. Perhaps, you take this posting lightly and choose to not delve into your thoughts on this....Then again, perhaps you are unsure as to who you think you are....

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 6:42:02 PM   
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I know humans as a whole tend to limit themselves this ....discovery is disheartning. Especially coming from one who is as well spoken  as yourself. Perhaps, you take this posting lightly and choose to not delve into your thoughts on this....Then again, perhaps you are unsure as to who you think you are....


Personally, I feel that we are in a constant flux of definition in our perception of ourselves. Our memories are narratives which we tell and recreate to fit our view of ourselves. Our interaction with others as well as with ourselves are looked at and defined in an attempt to hold onto a consistent concept of who we are. Through this continual act of defining, redefining, we are capable of presenting to ourselves and others what appears to be a consistent persona. This is the narrative we weave in an attempt to maintain within a context conceived as material and consistent. yet, all things are in flux; from the inner workings of atoms (and even smaller) to the glacial erosion as large masses of ice move.
We are consciousness perceiving within the electrical, chemical boundaries of a body (which I am still trying to understand how it recognizes itself and maintains it's patterns at an electron level) and our lower brain, hijacked to make judgements during perception as we swim through our interactions.
Who am I? Who was I? Who am I becoming?


...an ASSHOLE.
<mischievious grin>

C



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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 6:46:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL....Great insight except for the asshole part, guess you can lead the jackass to water but ya can't make him stop being stubborn........Perhaps you will look in the mirror and see what is truly there. I truly appreciate your words and your wit...

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 7:23:41 PM   
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I truly appreciate your words and your wit...


Cool...I'm an articulate and witty asshole. See my limitations are already expanding and enveloping more within myself.

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 7:33:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Everything and everyone you come into contact with will effect your life and personality if even just a mirco degree. We may not even realize that someone has touched part of us.

I preceive myself as me. Nothing great, nothing bad. I am who i need to be. I try to be who i want to be to the best of my ability. I learn more everyday about being a better person. Sometimes I back slide, but this his human nature. No one is perfect, no one is completely flawed. We can only try our best to make each day better.

If you choose to be a victum you will be. If you choose to be strong you will be. You are what you make yourself. Life is a choice and you choose as to how life will effect you and as to how you will effect those in your life. 

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 9:31:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: akisha

Everything and everyone you come into contact with will effect your life and personality if even just a mirco degree. We may not even realize that someone has touched part of us.

I preceive myself as me. Nothing great, nothing bad. I am who i need to be. I try to be who i want to be to the best of my ability. I learn more everyday about being a better person. Sometimes I back slide, but this his human nature. No one is perfect, no one is completely flawed. We can only try our best to make each day better.

If you choose to be a victum you will be. If you choose to be strong you will be. You are what you make yourself. Life is a choice and you choose as to how life will effect you and as to how you will effect those in your life. 

Very, very well said akisha, thank you very much for your post. I am enjoying seeing the interpretations come together.

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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 10:29:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear TheGreyMistress, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Perception can be a "view" or "awareness" and all the associated meanings to both.
 
I consider perception like a geode, as the external may have a rock like exterior yet, the internal chamber holds many crystals, to which each crystal has many sides, lengths and shapes.
 
I am because I am.  I am created from the experiences of my sensory and state of being.  Each thing I have experienced has created knowledge, skill and or a point of reference and reasoning.  The self awareness as I relate to people, places and things influence my personal perception.  What makes me unique, as all humans are unique; is that we are able to control, change and surrender to a point our perceptions.  Perceptions in general, are fundamental properties of primal human, as to establish survival alone and with others; from friend or foe; fight or flight.
 
How individuals perceive me to be, is often their own perception of others, to which may be true or false yet, on their choice in their perceptions.  Not all will see me in the same way, so the perception may not be exact but, similar and or different from each other.
 
In life, there will always be those who hate and or love, with all the judgments in between.  It is depending on individuals of what perception they wish to use; as I with others.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: perceptions - 5/9/2006 11:51:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Internal perceptions of one's self are important as they are the means by which you present yourself to the universe around you.

External perceptions, while frequently flawed, if not amusingly so, impact how others interact with you in the universe.

Both are important, but they often impact each other, so be positive as to how you allow each to interact with the other, or you will find yourself in quandries you never wanted, nor appreciate.

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RE: perceptions - 5/10/2006 1:46:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		after many years of trying real hard; i still haven't rid myself of the notion that perceptions are important.  i want to believe i am an individual unlike any other; and willing to accept others that accept me. Just as i am and i will accept them for what they are. Not as they wish to be seen.  i have no idea as how others see me.
As they wish i would guess. From there ; of what use is it to me to pretend or believe i'm something else...isn't that lying... what ever i am will come through in the course of a relationship; as will there's.  So why even try then...we are what we are ...i might want to be more, and possibly some time in the future change into that idea...But wouldn't  i also change my whole self by just one small change.  Humans and personalities are a package deal..Change one thing and you change the whole.  But to my perceptions then...i then would perceive myself to be, a smart-ass, but caring and loving.  a wanna be intellectual with a naive outlook on life...
How other see me...who can say, each in there own way...But i do know this ...if i started to really care about how others saw me and tried to influence their opinion by my actions; i would loose the few friends i do have.  Maybe then honest is the best perception, if that not a perception on my part...(SMILES)
 
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RE: perceptions - 5/10/2006 4:10:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thegreymistress

The question is what do you most strongly identify yourself with...which perception do you hold to be true to you, and perhaps, if that is a "status or label" what does the "status or label" mean to you?



Most strongly my perception of me is I am uniquely myself. A hybrid of my early nature loving Druid upbringing, my early and ongoing love affair with motorcycles and the biker lifestyle, and my 31 years as a collared slave.

If asked I would have to say I am most strongly an old school biker bitch with all that it implies and a slave second (Since I am collared to a pair of bikers this is a big plus not a minus).

Although the old biker ways in regards to women were that females were property so I never saw a conflict between the two.





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RE: perceptions - 5/10/2006 8:14:16 AM   
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LOL....Great insight except for the asshole part,


Here brings an interesting question regarding our perception and ourself...how do you allign your perception of who you are with the perceptions of others regarding you? Not really tied to the opinions of those who mean little to you per se but rather aspects of yourself which are pointed out, perhaps consistently which may or may not fit with hoe you view yourself.
Example: I am viewed by those who get to know me as intelligent, overwhelming, intense, creative, insightful...etc. not necessarily aspects which I always 'feel' or recognize but I have had a wide enough variety of people over at least two decades point the same elements of my personality out that I have come to accept these views as legitimate. I also know that I can affect people in ways which make them feel certain ways, though they aren't necessarily intended on my part are still legitimate since that's how they feel around me and so, are by default part of who I am also...

C

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RE: perceptions - 5/10/2006 8:14:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		 Thank you twice happy for posting. From my past I too understand the generalization of an old school biker and their old lady....what does the labels you used mean to you. I mean if someone who had never seen or heard of a biker wanted to know how you percieved yourself how would you define you...... I am enjoying reading all the posts on perceptions and it is showing me alot about posting and starting threads.....This is definatly a learning experience.

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RE: perceptions - 5/10/2006 8:20:01 AM   
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LOL....Great insight except for the asshole part,


Here brings an interesting question regarding our perception and ourself...how do you allign your perception of who you are with the perceptions of others regarding you? Not really tied to the opinions of those who mean little to you per se but rather aspects of yourself which are pointed out, perhaps consistently which may or may not fit with hoe you view yourself.
Example: I am viewed by those who get to know me as intelligent, overwhelming, intense, creative, insightful...etc. not necessarily aspects which I always 'feel' or recognize but I have had a wide enough variety of people over at least two decades point the same elements of my personality out that I have come to accept these views as legitimate. I also know that I can affect people in ways which make them feel certain ways, though they aren't necessarily intended on my part are still legitimate since that's how they feel around me and so, are by default part of who I am also...

C

Do others perceptions really have a bearing on who you are? Does it matter what others percieve you as? I am asking about your individual perception, although you may have hit on something....How many people need to say the "same thing "about you until you look at it as a possible "reality"? Very good post, I appreciated reading it as well.

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