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NihilusZero -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 10:44:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: liks2plzlf If you studied the bible, and compared it to what is happening in the world today you might form a different opinion. God has offered so much proof, just in my lifetime, I don't see how one cannot believe. I think your just mad because, laying with the same sex is a sin, according to the bible. If you don't believe that is your loss, I have never been happier. I'm pretty sure most modern christians might tell you that they are not handcuffed to the old testament anymore...unless you're looking for substantiation for bigotry and violence. In addition, post hoc attempts to draw the loosest of parallels from ancient manuscripts to individual current events one has vicariously seen is only a prettied up version of numerology.

thishereboi -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 11:22:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Actually there is no inherent contradiction between the two. Look at it this way: God created everything, and evolution is the process by which He did so. This Yea, that

Marc2b -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 11:24:46 AM)
The great irony of all this is that if there were no evolution... there would be no religion.

thishereboi -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 11:30:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: You probaly tell little kids that there is no Santa Claus. of course i do. i don't believe in lying to people, especially not children. What the HELL do you mean that there is NO Santa? Sorry for the hijack. Don't you listen to her Aylee, she's just bitter. Of course there's a santa, you got presents this year didn't you?

Aylee -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 11:52:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: You probaly tell little kids that there is no Santa Claus. of course i do. i don't believe in lying to people, especially not children. What the HELL do you mean that there is NO Santa? Sorry for the hijack. Don't you listen to her Aylee, she's just bitter. Of course there's a santa, you got presents this year didn't you? Thank you. sniff Scared me there for a bit. Of course I got presents. And gave them.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 11:54:41 AM)
quote: God has offered so much proof, ok, present it. i will be generous and require only 1 peice of irrefutable, independantly confirmable proof of the existence of any deity period. your christain god, zeus, osiris, astarte, baal...any deity, offer just 1 piece of actual proof. i'm not bitter, i am actually a very happt and content person. i just chose to believe in what exists, not in fantasy. and i am content with laying with the same sex. it is a sin only by your particular set of beliefs, not by all. the hindus, for example have no such prohibition, nor do the buddhists, the shinto, nor did the vast majority of the pagan religions of antiquity. again the arrogance of the misled. hannah lynn

thishereboi -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 11:59:40 AM)
quote: I think your just mad because, laying with the same sex is a sin, according to the bible. Well, seeing as she has already stated that she doesn't believe in the bible, I doubt that her happiness is dependent on living her life according to it's rules. quote: If you don't believe that is your loss, I have never been happier. You just made Jesus cry, did that make you happy also?

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 12:00:20 PM)
quote: if you don't want your belief system ridiculed, then either adopt one that makes sense or keep it to yourself. quote: you're welcome. i do it because i'm just a nice girl. No your not. Judgemental people are never considered "nice". quote: oh but it has. repeatedly. i am right, you are wrong. accept that fact and your life will be richer and more rewarding for it . You are right???? Theologians and scientists are still debating "God" but YOU are right? rofl... thank you for that laugh!!! quote: where is the class in allowing a blatant lie to be maintained? where is the class in allowing exploitation and systematic mental and emotional abuse on a massive scale to be perpetuated? Here is a simple test... prove without a shadow of a doubt its a lie. quote: of course i do. i don't believe in lying to people, especially not children. Of course you dont because you will never have to deal with the repercussions of your actions. Funny how someone spouts about responsibility would do something they will never be responsible for... beyond picking up your teeth after some parent bitch slaps them out of your mouth... that smiles gladly as they pay the fine. quote: i never said i wasn't an asshole now did i? It doesnt have to be stated by anyone... its painfully obvious. Now, the rest can debate your whiney, self-centered ass.. I, myself tend to believe children like you should be seen but never heard. And, with that, you wont be heard by me again.

NihilusZero -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 12:06:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Theologians and scientists are still debating "God".. Actually, just the theologians, really. Most scientists don't adhere to a theistic god concept. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Here is a simple test... prove without a shadow of a doubt its a lie. Shermer's Last Law.

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 12:12:18 PM)
quote: Shermer's Last Law. The modification of someone elses law based upon ET's? Surely you can do better than that.

NihilusZero -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 12:26:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Shermer's Last Law. The modification of someone elses law based upon ET's? Surely you can do better than that. I'm not sure what you mean by "better than that". This isn't supposed to be a game of how emotionally convincing a concept is. The fact is that Shermer's Last Law concisely explains how gods don't exist (all you have is aliens, some of who may be powerful enough to force some people into non-sexual M/s TPE relationships).

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 12:33:26 PM)
Thats not proof God doesnt exist. Please, remember, I dont believe in God. Because ET's are not discovered, you cannot suppose that God doesnt.

NihilusZero -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 12:50:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Thats not proof God doesnt exist. Please, remember, I dont believe in God. Because ET's are not discovered, you cannot suppose that God doesnt. Do you understand what a god concept is? Is specifically IS an alien sentient creature with enough power or technology to effect abiogenesis. Beyond that, if we're talking about a theistic god, we're looking only for an alien sentient being that someone would make themselves subservient to. The concept of a god is entirely incoherent from the get-go.

NihilusZero -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 12:52:42 PM)
To be honest, Star Trek addressed this issue decades ago in Who Mourns For Adonais?.

BitaTruble -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 12:54:23 PM)
edit because the position became clear after reading the next few posts - I reject it, but I do get where you are coming from :D

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 1:01:45 PM)
never mind. seems the previous post did actually go through hannah lynn

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 1:03:35 PM)
quote: Do you understand what a god concept is? Is specifically IS an alien sentient creature with enough power or technology to effect abiogenesis. Beyond that, if we're talking about a theistic god, we're looking only for an alien sentient being that someone would make themselves subservient to. The concept of a god is entirely incoherent from the get-go. Just because a concept is incoherent to you doesnt make it dismissable. And, since we have not encountered an alien life force, does that also make it dismissable? Since we have not encountered one, how do we know they can cause that effect.. or cant cause that effect? Too many variables for me to take it completely serious. Its an opinion, nothing more.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 1:10:42 PM)
~Fast Reply~ Again, I was looking for a simple answer to a simple question. Not proof that one or the other does or doesn't exist. The Big Bang Theory is a theory. When you get back to the very start, all one has is theories on either side. There are miracles that science can't explain and others they can. "Does God exist?" is and will always be an unanswered question. Even scientists have things they can't explain. Regardless, if believing brings one peace, if it brings comfort to people in times of need, anyone wanting to destroy that has their own issues. NZ, There are literally MILLIONS of people who believe in a higher power and never become "fanatical zealots." An argument against believing for that reason is beneath you.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 1:16:35 PM)
quote: No your not. Judgemental people are never considered "nice". that puts us in the same boat, dearie. quote: Theologians and scientists are still debating "God" theologians debate god, but they are inherently incorrect because they begin their debate from the assumption of the existance of a deity. scientists debate the existence of god, from a scientific rather than faith point of view? not that i have heard of. quote: Here is a simple test... prove without a shadow of a doubt its a lie. there is not now, nor has there ever been, the slightest shred of evidence to support the supposition of the existence of a deity. period. you're challenge is inane, it is akin to my claiming i am actually the heir to cleopatra and challenging you to disprove it. quote: Of course you dont because you will never have to deal with the repercussions of your actions. the truth shall set you free, lies only enslave you. quote: beyond picking up your teeth after some parent bitch slaps them out of your mouth... that smiles gladly as they pay the fine. boy, you christians sure are a peace-loving bunch aren't you? quote: I, myself tend to believe children like you should be seen but never heard. And, with that, you wont be heard by me again. o happy day. hannah lynn

NihilusZero -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 1:29:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Just because a concept is incoherent to you doesnt make it dismissable. Throwing "to you" into a counterargument that relies on reality and logic that is sound does not make the original argument flawed. If I say you are an anteater, and you say you are a human and can display with logical and biological evidence to support it, me replying back: "That's your opinion." is just an exercise in denial an intellectual dishonesty. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Too many variables for me to take it completely serious. This is another example of how people, who are perfectly free to construct any personal reality they like, often fail to realize that that human ability is not the same thing as being able to actually affect what reality is. Much as I may wish to fly by flapping my arms, I will do nothing but plummet were I to jump off a 40-story balcony. Then again, it's arguable that humans aren't meant for widely objective lives. Our technology has outrun us, and we still show tendencies of favoring cloistered cliques along with all the self-enclosed concepts that come from it. I cannot say it's a bad thing, necessarily...since this life we presumably own is the only fleeting sense of semi-constancy we have...and it perhaps suits us better to engage in a certain solipsism. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Its an opinion, nothing more. The word "opinion" is chic these day because anyone can thrust any idea into its box and have the title appear to qualify. But things in life are not all equally suspect, and materialistic facts exist. "Opinion" is to describe conjecture that has no logical basis for viability when the topic has objective traits. Someone arguing for or against the best color...now that's something you can dismiss by claiming it is merely someone's opinion.

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