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Brain -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 7:08:53 PM)
I don't think this is evolution or God, maybe a hoax but it's an interesting story if it's true and lets me believe aliens and UFOs are possible. There were a lot of good answers to your question. Body of 'dead alien' is found in frozen wastes of Siberia after claims of UFO hurtling to Earth... but is it an elaborate hoax? A bizarre video, made by two walkers in Irkutsk, Siberia, shows a badly-damaged corpse of a two foot high ET half-buried in the snow. Full Story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378400/Body-dead-alien-Russia-claims-UFO-hurtling-earth--elaborate-hoax.html 19 April 2011 www.dailymail.co.uk

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 7:27:40 PM)
quote: Of course, that was two years ago, and that boy is cancer free, no sign of the tumor, and continues to bring joy to his parents because he IS. unsubstantiated second hand anecdotes by a random poster on an internet forum do not form the basis for a belief system. for every "miracle" survival you can give me, i can give you literally millions upon millions of opposing examples. as well, people make similar "miraculous" recoveries all over the world, regardless of the particular cult they belong to. apparently, if prayer is in fact the driving force behind these events, it doesn't matter which deity you pray to. or even if you pray at all. atheists have made such recoveries as well. just because an event is inexplicable by current scientific understanding does not mean it can be ascribed to the invisible spaghetti monster. remember, 200 years ago we had no idea microbes existed, what makes you so sure we have discovered all the elements involved. perhaps there are anti-microbes that attack cancer cells. perhaps there is something as yet unidentified about that boy's immune system, or perhaps he's entirely imaginary. hannah lynn

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 7:32:16 PM)
quote: Sometimes people get lucky. If you want to give god credit for saving the boy's life, how do you account for all the dead children he didn't save? because her god, the judeo-christian one, is a cold, heartless, cruel, arbitrary, vindictive, sadistic, bastard, who, if he does exist, doesn't take any interest inn this world other than to see just how much pain and suffering he can inflict and still have fools praise him and call him loving and merciful. like i said: the asshole-in-the-sky. hannah lynn

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 7:48:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 i don't understand why people sometimes seem so anxious to make a war between science and religion. pam does seem rediculous, doesnt it. Its like... I didnt do it... yes you did... no i didnt.. yes you did... no i didnt... lol... it does give me a chuckle to see so many who dont believe in something get so worked up.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 7:51:14 PM)
quote: lol... it does give me a chuckle to see so many who dont believe in something get so worked up. that, my dear, is because you don't understand what's going on. hannah lynn

thishereboi -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:08:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: Sometimes people get lucky. If you want to give god credit for saving the boy's life, how do you account for all the dead children he didn't save? because her god, the judeo-christian one, is a cold, heartless, cruel, arbitrary, vindictive, sadistic, bastard, who, if he does exist, doesn't take any interest inn this world other than to see just how much pain and suffering he can inflict and still have fools praise him and call him loving and merciful. like i said: the asshole-in-the-sky. hannah lynn After reading your last two posts I have come to the conclusion that someone needs a nap.[8\|]

thishereboi -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:11:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: lol... it does give me a chuckle to see so many who dont believe in something get so worked up. that, my dear, is because you don't understand what's going on. hannah lynn Oh I don't know, I would say she nailed it pretty good.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:14:28 PM)
quote: After reading your last two posts I have come to the conclusion that someone needs a nap. can you offer any actual proof to refute what i said? i thought not hannah lynn

liks2plzlf -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:19:06 PM)
Not sure exactly what your saying

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:19:36 PM)
quote: Oh I don't know, I would say she nailed it pretty good. then you, like she, are unaware. i have yet to see a single person on the atheist side of this discussion get upset. i am not upset in the slightest. in fact i am enjoying the exchange rather a lot. if you don't like the way i phrase things, well, there's nothing i can do about that. your reactions to things are up to you, not me. hannah lynn

tweakabelle -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:21:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 i don't understand why people sometimes seem so anxious to make a war between science and religion. pam does seem rediculous, doesnt it. Its like... I didnt do it... yes you did... no i didnt.. yes you did... no i didnt... lol... it does give me a chuckle to see so many who dont believe in something get so worked up. Ownership of the power to pronounce 'truth' is highly prized, sought after and lucrative. Religions claim to offer the 'truth' about why were are here, and where we are destined to go. At an operative level in society, scientific 'truth' is taken as actual proof in most instances. AFAIK neither position is justified by the evidence or, in the case of science, pronouncing truth about anything is not a proper function of science at all. (Debunking myths is) But for many the prize is irresistible. And for others, allowing to prize to pass, by default, to superstition is a kind of immoral intellectual compromise or even suicide, and a sure recipe for trouble (eg denial of abortion rights, gay marriage). To my mind, this adds up to a reasonable case for involvement in the issue. If religion was purely a private matter between individuals and their preferred deities, I imagine my interest in the politics of the issue would cease completely. I would retain an enquiring interest in some of the more abstract aspects of religions, a situation I would much prefer. Edited to all: (Debunking myths is)

thishereboi -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:23:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: After reading your last two posts I have come to the conclusion that someone needs a nap. can you offer any actual proof to refute what i said? i thought not hannah lynn I wasn't referring to the factual aspect of the post. It was that kicking your feet, crying that someone believes in something you don't that generated the remark. Seriously, you life is not going to implode if some random stranger on the internet prays for something. Chill out.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:24:13 PM)
quote: Not sure exactly what your saying that citing obscure interpretations of vague unclear biblical passages as proof of anything is simply pointless. the bible is at best a work of bad history, and most of it is pure fable and fiction. citing it as an authority is similar to citing the lord of the rings. neither is a valid basis for a belief system. hannah lynn

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:28:40 PM)
quote: But for many the prize is irresistible. And for others, allowing to prize to pass, by default, to superstition is a kind of immoral intellectual compromise or even suicide, and a sure recipe for trouble (eg denial of abortion rights, gay marriage). So this is a contest for you? A prize you seek?

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:37:42 PM)
quote: I wasn't referring to the factual aspect of the post. It was that kicking your feet, crying that someone believes in something you don't that generated the remark. Seriously, you life is not going to implode if some random stranger on the internet prays for something. Chill out. as i've already pointed out. i am chill, i am having fun. if i wasn't i wouldn't be posting. i don't give a flying fuck one way or another what bizarre shit any of you believe. that's between you and your own common sense and sense of dignity. but the OP stated her belief on an open forum and could not justify that belief. others who have followed her have also not been able to justify their belief. i'm sorry, "i just know its true" has no validity without some proof. without evidence, its delusion. as i said a long while ago. if you don't want the flaws in your irrational beliefs pointed out, then keep those beliefs to yourself. but go ahead and believe that i am frothing at the mouth, kicking my feet and am outraged by the remarks of anonymous online entities if you want. just like the belief in a deity it has no basis in reality. i've said it before, and i'm sure i will have to say it again: if you don't like what i say, or the way i say it; tough shit. your sensitivities are of no concern to me. they are your affair, not mine. hannah lynn

vincentML -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 8:42:36 PM)
quote: t's also important to note that the theory of evolution does not even attempt to address the question of where life came from in the first place - only how it developed once it began. It's a common fallacy for people to argue from the perspective that the two schools of thought conflict with or contradict each other, but the fact is they do not. Evolution vs. intelligent design would be the more accurate opposition. Panda, Isn't intelligent design just an embellished version of creationism? How do you distinguish between them? Additionally, there are several implicit contradictions between the two models. In the theological model god created a soul as a component of the human being. No room for soul in Evolution. In the theological model consciousness is a function of the soul. In Evolutionary Biology consciousness and thinking are functions of electrochemical circuits. i.e. no ghost in the machine. In the theological model there is hope for everlasting life. In the Evolution Model material life forms die and stay dead.

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 9:01:07 PM)
Ah vincent... so nice to see you posting again. [:D]

liks2plzlf -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 9:05:29 PM)
Which of the things I mentioned has not happened or was not predicted thousands of years ago. All just a coincidence! If there is no God, then the Jewish people are much smarter and better fighters than anyone else on the planet.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/19/2011 9:12:36 PM)
quote: Which of the things I mentioned has not happened none of them. quote: or was not predicted thousands of years ago. all of them quote: All just a coincidence! no. you just make up shit is all. something happens and you go looking for some obscure passage in the bible that you can twist into referring to it, and yell voila! see there is a god he predicted it all. make a prediction of something that hasn't happened and then when it does i might consider your theory. until then the bible is equivalent to nostradamus as a souce of prophetic insight. quote: If there is no God, then the Jewish people are much smarter and better fighters than anyone else on the planet. no, they are just better than the surrounding arabs is all. hannah lynn

nephandi -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (4/20/2011 2:40:00 AM)
Greetings I have not read this entire thread as I am on my way out the door and just wanted to pop in for a reply to the original post. I believe in both religion and evolution. I am Pagan and I think the Gods did create the world and all life in it. However I do not think They just placed things out like placing sprites in a computer game. I think the Gods knew that all living things need to develop and grow and evolve, so I think They created evolution, they created those first single cell organisms, and before that They created what formed our universe, and whatever existed before it, and then They guided the universe, and They guided life until it got the form it has now, and They will continue to guide life in the future. I do not see why religion and evolution have to be enemies, it is clear when you look at apes and bones found we have evolved from them, it is clear when you look at the Nautilus that it have evolutionary bonds to both octopus and snails, however I do not think this wonderful, beautiful world could be without some intelligence behind it. I think the Gods created us by guiding the hand of evolution. I wish you all well.

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