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Sanity -> How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 6:57:44 AM)


Calling all Leftists, step away from your refrigerators and give up all your icy beverages!

From far left Time Magazine:

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How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet
Want to save the Earth? Easy, just buy a couple of ice trays. To the long list of human inventions that are wrecking global climate—the internal combustion engine, the industrial era factory—add the automatic ice maker.

Climate modelers have long known that households are far bigger contributors to global warming than most laypeople realize. For all the blame tailpipe emissions take for escalating  temperatures, homes and office buildings are actually the single largest contributor to greenhouse gasses. One key reason is the 100-plus million refrigerators in America's 111 million households. According to the Department of Energy, the standard fridge sucks up about 8% of the electricity used by all homes—a pretty big share given the dozens of big and small appliances and electronics that are also drawing juice.
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That appeal to reason, NIST officials hope, will be enough. But just in case it isn't, the Department of Energy has announced that it intends to add 84 kilowatt hours to the efficiency rating of every refrigerator equipped with an icemaker. Consumers will feel that fact in the wallet—and if manufacturers don't scramble to improve their numbers, they soon will too.
Read more: http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/04/14/how-the-ice-in-your-drink-is-imperiling-the-planet/#ixzz1K4TRuyDa





After that, we'll be requiring all you Global Warming faithful to turn off your TVs, any music playing device you may have, and most importantly youll need to shut off your death-to-the-planet computers and monitors. [sm=pc.gif]

Have you any idea how much energy is required to properly cool a typical server room? [sm=river.gif]




pahunkboy -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:06:13 AM)

We are all going to die!




mnottertail -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:07:23 AM)

LOL.  FAR RIGHT LUNACY!!!!!

The point of the article is there is alot of efficiency that can be incorporated into icemakers for refridgerators.  




rulemylife -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:08:36 AM)

Interesting how you cherry-picked the portions you wanted to confirm your viewpoint, but left out the explanation of why.

Coming to think out it, not really that interesting, I've come to expect that from you.




Sanity -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:25:33 AM)


Its not intellectually honest on your part to accuse me of cherry picking when

1. Its a violation of collarchat TOS and federal copyright laws to post an entire article and

2. I provided a link to the full leftist slant on the subject

Though I can appreciate I your hurt poor little feelers by not arguing from your own theological perspective on Gaias behalf

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Interesting how you cherry-picked the portions you wanted to confirm your viewpoint, but left out the explanation of why.

Coming to think out it, not really that interesting, I've come to expect that from you.





Sanity -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:27:19 AM)


And how the feds are asking nicely for now but in the future may feel a need to come down like a ton of bricks if sufficient compliance isnt voluntary and timely enough to suit the environazi witch doctor crowd

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

LOL.  FAR RIGHT LUNACY!!!!!

The point of the article is there is alot of efficiency that can be incorporated into icemakers for refridgerators.  




hlen5 -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:34:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Though I can appreciate I your hurt poor little feelers by not arguing from your own theological perspective on Gaias behalf



Sanity,

Recently you posted one thing I could agree with and I was stunned that I could. I just had to say that the above is truly funny, I laughed out loud.

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mnottertail -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:37:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


And how the feds are asking nicely for now but in the future may feel a need to come down like a ton of bricks if sufficient compliance isnt voluntary and timely enough to suit the environazi witch doctor crowd

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

LOL.  FAR RIGHT LUNACY!!!!!

The point of the article is there is alot of efficiency that can be incorporated into icemakers for refridgerators.  



I hope they drop on all these fools with both feet and a steam shovel.

The quest for a buck should not override the efficiency, the common good, the sustainability of products we use, build them right and build them to last, and make it worthwhile to buy american.




mnottertail -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:41:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its not intellectually honest on your part to accuse me of cherry picking when

1. Its a violation of collarchat TOS and federal copyright laws to post an entire article and

2. I provided a link to the full leftist slant on the subject

Though I can appreciate I your hurt poor little feelers by not arguing from your own theological perspective on Gaias behalf

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Interesting how you cherry-picked the portions you wanted to confirm your viewpoint, but left out the explanation of why.

Coming to think out it, not really that interesting, I've come to expect that from you.




http://www.collarchat.com/m_2865734/mpage_3/tm.htm#2866721

post 57,58, and 59 will demonstrate your long standing intellectual dishonesty in these matters




rulemylife -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:45:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its not intellectually honest on your part to accuse me of cherry picking when

1. Its a violation of collarchat TOS and federal copyright laws to post an entire article and

2. I provided a link to the full leftist slant on the subject

Though I can appreciate I your hurt poor little feelers by not arguing from your own theological perspective on Gaias behalf

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Interesting how you cherry-picked the portions you wanted to confirm your viewpoint, but left out the explanation of why.

Coming to think out it, not really that interesting, I've come to expect that from you.




No, what you did was skip from one end of the article to the other to give a misleading portrayal of what is happening.

It is not the refrigerator, or even the ice maker itself, it is the heating element within the ice maker which uses up most of the electricity that manufacturers are being asked to voluntarily improve.

So please, don't try to talk to me about intellectual honesty.




Sanity -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:48:59 AM)


How did you find any of that our rml, think...

Oh yeah thats right, I provided the link

Post any of it that you think makes your case

And its the staff at TIME who wrote the header as well as part that said we need to give up the automatic ice makers, its nothing I invented

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
No, what you did was skip from one end of the article to the other to give a misleading portrayal of what is happening.

It is not the refrigerator, or even the ice maker itself, it is the heating element within the ice maker which uses up most of the electricity that manufacturers are being asked to voluntarily improve.

So please, don't try to talk to me about intellectual honesty.





WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:52:45 AM)

Always wondered why American-style fridges are so gigantic compared to those in Europe although I'm sure the obligatory ice dispencer comes in handy in Florida.




Sanity -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 7:53:51 AM)


In the desert of Southwest Idaho (during the summer) too!




DomKen -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 8:55:19 AM)

FR

Ayone even modestly well informed on the subject already knew this. So its really simple disconnect the ice maker and use ice trays. Even better go find the old metal ones with the lever that last lots longer than the plastic ones.




Louve00 -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 10:55:54 AM)

I am (and have been for a while) under the impression that Sanity is another Rush Limbaugh.  He does what he does simply to yank chains and get his due attention.  And if it doesn't work as "he"planned it should go, he resorts to name calling and insults. A part of me actually likes Sanity.  But when it comes to politics, not so much.  Not because of who I am or who he is...but because of the reactions and emotions he tries to spur in people.  [8D]




Sanity -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 10:59:32 AM)


Kinda ironic that you make a personal attack on me decrying my supposed personal attacks aint it

quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

I am (and have been for a while) under the impression that Sanity is another Rush Limbaugh.  He does what he does simply to yank chains and get his due attention.  And if it doesn't work as "he"planned it should go, he resorts to name calling and insults. A part of me actually likes Sanity.  But when it comes to politics, not so much.  Not because of who I am or who he is...but because of the reactions and emotions he tries to spur in people.  [8D]




Sanity -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 11:01:26 AM)


Are you informed enough to know that server rooms are also very problematic for the Global Warming faithful?

And if so why are you still posting. Youre destroying your earth god, man!

Have you no shame?

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

FR

Ayone even modestly well informed on the subject already knew this. So its really simple disconnect the ice maker and use ice trays. Even better go find the old metal ones with the lever that last lots longer than the plastic ones.




Louve00 -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 11:01:57 AM)

I didn't "attack" you personally.  Learn what an attack actually is.  A statement and an attack are two different things.




Sanity -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 11:05:12 AM)


Who do you think youre fooling beside yourself Louve, your whole post was nothing BUT an attack silly...

It sure as hell wasnt on topic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

I didn't "attack" you personally.  Learn what an attack actually is.  A statement and an attack are two different things.





mnottertail -> RE: How the Ice in Your Drink is Imperiling the Planet!!! (4/20/2011 11:08:52 AM)

Well, thats why we are on Hoth, riding Tauntauns.




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