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porcelaine -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/22/2011 3:28:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron, a slave craving freedom?


When taken at face value and balanced against the core you're quite right. But then you probably knew that. [:D]



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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Some dynamics, however, have more (or less) constrictions, control, and allowances.


This.

i believe your ability to embrace and accept them in a positive fashion is dependent on a lot of factors. In particular, the state of the relationship. When you're in situation that's good to and good for you oftentimes a lot of this is moot. You're just too darned happy to pay it any mind.

Namaste,

~porcelaine




leadership527 -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/22/2011 3:48:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lizi
You know, I think about this side a lot. I simply wouldn't want to do what he does. I get to feeling guilty at times thinking of how much he does, and that he never gets a break from it. I don't know that there's a solution. I just feel guilty sometimes and like I should be doing more for him. It makes me feel so useless, I hate that.

Sure there's a solution. Between Carol and I that solution is simple. We have divided up the roles in our marriage so instead of a more even, vanilla thing we have clearly divided roles. The solution is that Carol does her job well which is the fitting compliment to me doing mine well. In doing her job well she also, conveniently enough, makes my job easier.

Another way to think about this is if it were a literal job. I can think of lots of jobs I've held in my life. I can think of many of them that I literally would've done for free -- that's how much I loved the project. But I can't think of a single one that didn't have it's awful moments or just plain aspects that I didn't like. In that viewpoint there's nothing to fix because there is no problem. I LOVE being Carol's owner... and yeah, it sucks some times.

Yet one additional way to think about this (and a way I always love) is to put the shoe on the other foot. It is certainly within my power to make Carol's role much easier than I do. She would so definitely not like that. It would be limiting her ability to contribute fully to the marriage. In her eyes, the fact that some commands suck isn't a problem. The problem would be if I prevented her from devoting herself as fully as possible to our marriage. Similarly, I don't want her to "fix" my hard times. I'll take sympathy, hugs and blowjobs. But I don't WANT her to do my job. If she tried to do that, it would be preventing me from contributing my full self to our marriage.




aromanholiday -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/22/2011 4:47:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subbykat

Aromanholiday...You just get me, don't you. :)
Best advice yet.
Yes. You are right, I did choose this relationship. Nobody coerced me into it. Maybe the "control freak" in me was dying to be tamed by the right Master. Now that I am more tame, when I look back at the way I once was, partying all the time, going out with different people every night, I know that I wasn't really happy, because I was really out there, looking for Him...

And when I finally did find the Master who knew my heart and spoke to my soul, I knew that was where I wanted to be.
So here I am 5 years later. I'm more focused, balanced (despite the last thread), happy and complete than I ever was in my entire life. But, it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who occasionally reminisces about the way they used to be in their own minds.

I know some people wrote about how they would like just tell their Master to go get his own coffee sometimes...this has never been a problem for me. Serving him, whether it's cooking, cleaning, making coffee or performing sexual favors, is never even a question in my mind. I do it, because I love him and it brings me great happiness to see him pleased. Another reason why being enslaved is a fulfilling life for me. Thanks for reminding me Aromanholiday...


Yeah, I think I get you. :) I "get" a lot of people from what they say in messages. Recognizing a person's "pattern" by their words probably has something to do with having been communicating over a computer since the mid-80s. In the first 5 or 10 years, you see all types...and after that, they start to repeat! :) More often than not, peoples' true personalities and motives shine right through the words, even if the words tell a quite different story, lol! But your words and your motives matched. I liked that and so wanted to offer some encouragement. I hope someone will offer some encouragement to me when I need it.

I was reading the other responses to this thread. Apparently a lot of submissives or slaves do miss some aspects of freedom. I do too, but like you seem to experience it, it is a fleeting loss, and soon passes. For me, it comes in the form of nostalgia, sorrow for people and places I no longer linger around or see but remember so very fondly. And then I remember why it was I wandered off in another direction so far from these people--and suddenly everything feels much brighter.

Thank you for writing this poetic and very moving post. The whole thing was excellent but the last paragraph, in particular was wonderful to read. :)

You said something very good earlier in it, as well, about the control freak inside. I agree strongly that a lot of us submissive types have a "control freak" inside that is just dying to be tamed by the right person. And oh yes, the parties, the socializing, the online chats, all that stuff that I sometimes think so fondly about, for me, too, has been just an attempt to find "Him."

"And when I finally did find the Master who knew my heart and spoke to my soul, I knew that was where I wanted to be."

What a beautiful and accurate way of putting it. I think that the right master feels like somebody who is so compatible with you that you cannot believe such person could possibly exist--except he does exist. He is the person of your dreams and fantasies, come to life. A master isn't always comfortable to be around, of course, and the relationship isn't nearly as smooth and as easy as it would be with a far less demanding partner, but when someone is speaking to your soul, all those things become rather trivial. As you put it, you have found your place: you know that you are where you want or even need to be.




subbykat -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/22/2011 6:42:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: aromanholiday


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ORIGINAL: subbykat

Aromanholiday...You just get me, don't you. :)
Best advice yet.
Yes. You are right, I did choose this relationship. Nobody coerced me into it. Maybe the "control freak" in me was dying to be tamed by the right Master. Now that I am more tame, when I look back at the way I once was, partying all the time, going out with different people every night, I know that I wasn't really happy, because I was really out there, looking for Him...

And when I finally did find the Master who knew my heart and spoke to my soul, I knew that was where I wanted to be.
So here I am 5 years later. I'm more focused, balanced (despite the last thread), happy and complete than I ever was in my entire life. But, it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who occasionally reminisces about the way they used to be in their own minds.

I know some people wrote about how they would like just tell their Master to go get his own coffee sometimes...this has never been a problem for me. Serving him, whether it's cooking, cleaning, making coffee or performing sexual favors, is never even a question in my mind. I do it, because I love him and it brings me great happiness to see him pleased. Another reason why being enslaved is a fulfilling life for me. Thanks for reminding me Aromanholiday...


Yeah, I think I get you. :) I "get" a lot of people from what they say in messages. Recognizing a person's "pattern" by their words probably has something to do with having been communicating over a computer since the mid-80s. In the first 5 or 10 years, you see all types...and after that, they start to repeat! :) More often than not, peoples' true personalities and motives shine right through the words, even if the words tell a quite different story, lol! But your words and your motives matched. I liked that and so wanted to offer some encouragement. I hope someone will offer some encouragement to me when I need it.

I was reading the other responses to this thread. Apparently a lot of submissives or slaves do miss some aspects of freedom. I do too, but like you seem to experience it, it is a fleeting loss, and soon passes. For me, it comes in the form of nostalgia, sorrow for people and places I no longer linger around or see but remember so very fondly. And then I remember why it was I wandered off in another direction so far from these people--and suddenly everything feels much brighter.

Thank you for writing this poetic and very moving post. The whole thing was excellent but the last paragraph, in particular was wonderful to read. :)

You said something very good earlier in it, as well, about the control freak inside. I agree strongly that a lot of us submissive types have a "control freak" inside that is just dying to be tamed by the right person. And oh yes, the parties, the socializing, the online chats, all that stuff that I sometimes think so fondly about, for me, too, has been just an attempt to find "Him."

"And when I finally did find the Master who knew my heart and spoke to my soul, I knew that was where I wanted to be."

What a beautiful and accurate way of putting it. I think that the right master feels like somebody who is so compatible with you that you cannot believe such person could possibly exist--except he does exist. He is the person of your dreams and fantasies, come to life. A master isn't always comfortable to be around, of course, and the relationship isn't nearly as smooth and as easy as it would be with a far less demanding partner, but when someone is speaking to your soul, all those things become rather trivial. As you put it, you have found your place: you know that you are where you want or even need to be.



Funny, my Master was telling me the other day, "Listen to what people say, but watch what they do." It just goes to show how people sometimes say one thing, but their intention and actions demonstrate something else. We may not consciously understand why we feel uneasy around those types, but that generally sums it up.
I feel truly blessed to have a Master whose words and actions are totally congruent and aligned with what it is that he wants. That's when you know you can trust that person with your life and they would always have your best interest at heart. I am lucky to have found someone like that.
And if you were to look at us, you would think, "odd couple". There is a huge age gap between us and we live about 3000 miles away from each other. Yet, there is some kind of karmic bond there that keeps us bound together like glue. I cannot explain it to those people I used to call my friends, who now snicker behind my back, because I would rather spend my evenings reading, talking to my Master, studying and meditating, than hanging out at bars and tooling guys for drinks.
That was the loneliest I had ever been...

But then again, like you said, there are those fleeting instances where you feel nostalgic for the places and people you once knew...But who no longer know you, nor care to...Which would explain why they are no longer in your life.




ranja -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/23/2011 7:38:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subbykat

As a submissive or a slave, do you occasionally long to do things and go places that your Master doesn't approve of?

yes, i have desires which i have to compromise on because of His limits
as i am sure He makes compromises for me

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Do you ever long for the freedom of not having to ask someone's permission to do something?

no, sometimes it is difficult though but generally i am good with asking now i have learnt how to go about it




subbykat -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/23/2011 7:43:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ranja

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ORIGINAL: subbykat

As a submissive or a slave, do you occasionally long to do things and go places that your Master doesn't approve of?

yes, i have desires which i have to compromise on because of His limits
as i am sure He makes compromises for me

quote:

Do you ever long for the freedom of not having to ask someone's permission to do something?

no, sometimes it is difficult though but generally i am good with asking now i have learnt how to go about it


Thanks Ranja. I didn't really think of it that way when you say "he makes compromises for me." Now that I think of it, there were some instances, where I felt my Master wanted something, but didn't act on his desire, because he knew it would hurt my heart, at that time.




ranja -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/23/2011 7:53:20 AM)

in successful relationships there are always compromises to be made on both sides, personally i do not believe anybody who says they don't
i think the trick is to 'trade' on somewhat equal matters and frequency




coookie -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/23/2011 7:56:35 AM)

I agree ranja and that is where the idea of balance comes from.




txurinal -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/23/2011 10:19:52 AM)

When owned, life was very structured. Keep busy with chores at all times, keep out of the way unless summoned, no leaving the house without permission, no televison, etc. So i never wanted to do anything really bad but would often wonder what it was to actually come home from work and not have to do housework til bedtime




agirl -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/24/2011 4:18:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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ORIGINAL: agirl
Yep, abso-bloody-lutely.  My thoughts?...With alarming regularity I want to kick off my shoes and do exactly what the hell I want to, as and when I want to, in exactly the way I want to. However.....that doesn't quite fit in with asking someone ELSE to own me.....lol

Funny thing is I could say the same thing in reverse. Man, there are plenty of moments when I think to myself, "Why again did I sign up for this? Was there a bottle of Tequila involved in that decision?" But, you know, stepping back when I need to step up doesn't quite fit in with asking someone else to be owned by me.



Jeff,

You're not alone!  M has enough of those moments too :)

agirl





agirl -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/24/2011 4:54:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

Another way to think about this is if it were a literal job. I can think of lots of jobs I've held in my life. I can think of many of them that I literally would've done for free -- that's how much I loved the project. But I can't think of a single one that didn't have it's awful moments or just plain aspects that I didn't like. In that viewpoint there's nothing to fix because there is no problem. I LOVE being Carol's owner... and yeah, it sucks some times.

Yet one additional way to think about this (and a way I always love) is to put the shoe on the other foot. It is certainly within my power to make Carol's role much easier than I do. She would so definitely not like that. It would be limiting her ability to contribute fully to the marriage. In her eyes, the fact that some commands suck isn't a problem. The problem would be if I prevented her from devoting herself as fully as possible to our marriage. Similarly, I don't want her to "fix" my hard times. I'll take sympathy, hugs and blowjobs. But I don't WANT her to do my job. If she tried to do that, it would be preventing me from contributing my full self to our marriage.



This is much like the way we approach this. We both chose these *jobs* and there are times when they cause us a bit of momentary misery but neither of us dislike the *job*. In fact we both VERY much like it. The cost doesn't outweigh any of the benefits, clearly.

Also,yes, M could make my life a lot easier....and I could make HIS a lot easier too........but it would mean both of us contorting ourselves in some way and, frankly, to do that it would mean eliminating M/s and to start being people that we are not. I'm not prepared to and nor is he.  It depends how you view the grotty bits.

It's like having a baby or raising children...... you can eliminate all and any hassle and pain associated with that, by not having any. I can't have fresh home-grown vegetables without an aching back and doing the odd boring bits when I'm not in the *mood*.
I COULD borrow someone else's child for a few hours.......I could buy my veg.....but I won't experience being a mother or being a gardener therefore I won't get the satisfaction that goes along with those things either.

agirl













agirl -> RE: Slaves Craving Freedom (4/24/2011 5:12:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lizi

You know, I think about this side a lot. I simply wouldn't want to do what he does. I get to feeling guilty at times thinking of how much he does, and that he never gets a break from it. I don't know that there's a solution. I just feel guilty sometimes and like I should be doing more for him. It makes me feel so useless, I hate that.



I wouldn't want to do what M does either but I don't feel guilty about it. He wouldn't want to do what I do either.We're both doing things that we chose because it suits us to do them and no-one is holding a gun to our heads...lol

If he wants me to do *more*, he only has to ask, if I need a hand with anything, I only have to ask too. No need for either of us to engage in thinking the other has it harder just because we wouldn't choose to do their job.

I'm not sure why you feel useless and guilty.

agirl










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