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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/23/2011 8:24:19 PM

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because DHS told them to.

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/23/2011 8:34:17 PM

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And they are a home rule state, look it up.

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/23/2011 9:33:11 PM

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So they didnt have to follow anyone's advice. Im not seeing your point.

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/23/2011 9:42:05 PM

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Steven, if you think that's bad check this one out.
It seems the foxes are guarding the hen house.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110423/ap_on_re_us/us_illegal_immigrant_officer

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/23/2011 10:39:09 PM

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Slow down, read the story you just posted again.

Are you sure you want to lock this guy up for ten years, then kick him out of the country, after how well he has served the community, far from being any burden?

I don't see any of his fellow officers saying "that MF took my job!" On the contrary, they seem to be quite distraught over the whole situation.

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 6:01:29 AM

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Look, the whole point of this thing is establishing legitimacy. Fuck a driver's license. With state ID I can get a passport, and even an IDP that would allow me to drive legally in quite a few countries (but not in the US). They saw it as a vehicle to quell their illegitimacy I would say.

Whoever is accused was supposedly responsible for making sure of the identities of those people. It was a shortcut. Who ever signed that they saw sufficient papers to indicate that they were legal, lied. Only an officer of the court can do that, such as a notary public. I am quite familiar with the rules associated with that. They are guilty of perjury, plain and simple.

The consequences do not matter, you took an oath. You broke the oath. You were put in a position of trust and you violated that trust. Anyone with a two digit IQ can figure that out in two seconds. It doesn't matter if it made possible a terorist act or it just slid and nothing happened.

Same with lawyers, and a few others. Violate that trust and if they find out you are fucked. It is that simple. I don't care what happened. They are still fucked.

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ETA : What if some hoodlums broke in and made you sign over the title to your 1963 Vette split window coupe ? And they had a notary in the gang. Try to get it back. Especially when you are probably dead. That's why these people are held to a higher standard.

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 6:50:56 AM

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In the US, it is constitutionally mandated that the burden of proof is on the accuser.

yeh but thats just a fucking piece of paper.

one of the prazze' dante's let that cat out of the bag.

now what?

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 6:52:55 AM

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Fuck a driver's license. With state ID I can get a passport, and even an IDP that would allow me to drive legally in quite a few countries (but not in the US).

you dont even need that. you can get one with a affidavit.

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 11:11:14 AM

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Slow down, read the story you just posted again.

Are you sure you want to lock this guy up for ten years, then kick him out of the country, after how well he has served the community, far from being any burden?

I don't see any of his fellow officers saying "that MF took my job!" On the contrary, they seem to be quite distraught over the whole situation.

Yes, I'm quite positive.
What would happen to you or me if we used someone else's SS#? Three to five I'd say.

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 1:17:50 PM

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I think DHS pinged on the Burmese students and notified Colorado. I think the state of Colorado rather than figuring out who he may or may not have taken the test for just decided to revoke everything he ever did.

That would be the only way it makes any sense to me.

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 1:33:38 PM

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sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 5:06:31 PM

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i guess that begs the question why Homeland Security got involved in the first place.

i guess i can answer this now. The Real ID Act of 2005 set new rules for how thoroughly the DMV must research a person's identity and immigration status before issuing a drivers license.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/nprm_realid.pdf

Apparently, Homeland Security also keeps a database of the info on certain people's licenses. The DMV and Homeland Security must be sharing information.

http://www.drivers.com/article/971/

Something must have seemed fishy about the Burmese students, like maybe they didn't read English well enough to have passed the written test, and that was the red flag that started the investigation. I'm not sure i have a problem with that, although it's hard to say without knowing exactly *what* triggered the investigation.

There are parts of this story that i'm uncomfortable with. Like, why didn't the DMV simply suspend those licenses instead of revoking them, pending proof that they were real, and why should anyone whose license was legit have to pay to get it reinstated? Exactly who is investigating this, the DMV or Homeland security, or both? What was the initial red flag that started the investigation? And whether those who had their licenses suspended really bear the burden of proof?

i am comfortable with the fact that the DMV, or Homeland Security, or whoever, investigates the identity of anyone applying for a driver's license, and that they keep their own database of that information. i am comfortable with the DMV suspending the license (i would have preferred that they be suspended and not revoked) of anyone who they have reason to believe didn't obtain it legitimately, pending proof that they *did*.

What bothers me most about this story is the fact that the driving instructor apparently also had the authority to administer written and practical driving tests, and simply reported the results to the DMV. (If i understand what i read, which is not always the case, lol). If that's what actually happened then it was a clear conflict of interest, and i'm not suprised that the system got abused. As far as i know, that doesn't happen in California. i had to go to the DMV to take my written test for a permit, as well as my driving test. i never took a driver's ed class for the written part, but my driver's training instructor only gave me driving lessons, he did not administer the driving test. i would imagine that if a private school had the authority to administer the test, that they would pass nearly everybody, since it's in their own interests to have a high pass rate. That seems like a system that's ripe for abuse.

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 5:14:38 PM

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$95 x how many students? That's just another example of the "legalized" extortion going on in this country.

What if all U.S. citizens suspected that DHS was an illegitimate dept of the government and said pending investigation all DHS personell are no longer funded by tax dollars unless they pay a $95 reinstatement fee?

The absurdity of a collapsing and overweight political system...

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 6:42:12 PM

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that is what taxation has always been about. It is nothing more than a fucking pyramid scheme that piped all money up to the king and now the 50 kings + feds of america LOLOLOLOL

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 8:07:41 PM

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I think they might be concerned about people using the drivers license as identification in order to use the license to do something bad. I think that's why DHS became involved.

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The DHS decided that a local driving instructor had faked DL applications for a couple of Burmese students. Why they have jurisdiction into this beats me. So they notified the instructor. And then they got the local DMV to invalidate all the DLs of his students.

I am not kidding. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17912544

Aren't these idiots supposed to be keeping our country safe instead of this kinda crap?

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RE: Government out of control. And stupid. - 4/24/2011 8:11:43 PM

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