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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 1:50:02 AM   
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"People didn't trust the banks before the holiday."

That completely contradicts your stance. You say people didn't trust them but they were going to put their money in them ?

Is that really what you are saying ?

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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 2:39:33 AM   
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"ken barney admitted that the federal reserve CAUSED the depression of 29. "

I don't care what some schmuck admitted. We all know what caused it. To say that some dude admitting it is evidence is as bad as what others do, take someone's word for shit. And it is shit.

It wasn't one person or entity that did it. What you have to understand is how the trends work and are read by winners. They didn't even have to know each other. I'm going to give you an analogy which I hope you can understand. If not I will elaborate.

I'll go to the track when it is not that crowded. Now let me tell you something, gambling is not a game to be played like a crap shoot, you can't get indications in a crap game. You can't get clear indications when the track is crowded. This bolsters the winners winnings. Sheeple will tell you not to gamble and they are right, because you don't know what the fuck you're doing.

There is a race every nineteen minutes or so generally. Odds are posted. Odds change. But the odds do not really change, the pot odds change. That happens solely based on the bets placed, nothing else. If it rains or some shit, it doesn't matter. The only way it might matter is if a horse is somehow disqualified.

You MFs better appreciate this......

There is post time, there is a time when the windows close and they close for everyone including the big money. The big money knows that their bets will change the pot odds against their favor. This is an economical fact and that's why the track does it this way. Like a bookie they do not win every bet. They make their money on what's referred to as the house edge. This is tightly controlled by statutory law and if they cheat they get BIG problems. So their take cannot exceed a certain amount, actually a precentage.

As such they adjust the pot odds, what you see on the board. That is the payoff ratio which has absolutely nothing to do with the real odds of any horse winning, placing or showing. The way to win, and don't get me wrong, you will also lose, but the way to win is to follow the big money. How is that done ?

That's why the place must not be crowded. The bets placed by the lil ole Ladies playing trifectas based on their grandkids' birthdays slew the readings too much for valid analysis. When the place is not that crowded, the big money has the most influence on the pot odds.

The actual odds do have something to do with the pot odds in the beginning, but as post time nears it changes. You watch all the longshots and see which ones are dropping like a rock. Sheeple wisdom would say this is illogical, but the opposite is true. When you see something drop from 22:1 to 14:1 in four seconds, you bet on that. You are then taking advantage of the knowledge that the pros have, riding their coattails actually. But you have to bet as late as possible because that is what the big money does. They do that for a reason. Part of the reason is that they know people like me might also be betting.

In the end what happens is big money usually makes money, and all the Grandmas at the track lose, which is what keeps the track in operation. They do have a bit in the way of operating costs y'know. Overall the house never loses, people lose, but not all the people. Otherwise they wouldn't do it, in fact they wouldn't be able.

In this way folks like me detract from the house's profit, but ask me if I care. And the stock market is the same way to some extent. Conditions can affect a stock's value or P/E, but some know in advance, others know right away and act, and others don't know and they lose.

And you heard about stockbrokers jumping out of windows right ? Well why ? They make money on trades, buy or sell they get a comission. Why would they jump to their deaths ?

I'll tell you why, because they were playing the float. Just like runners for bookies used to do shortly before they were found in a pool of blood. They were about to get busted for not executing sales which amounts to shorting with other people's money or not executing shorts which amounts to buying stock with other people's money. Both without their customers' knowledge. That's why they killed themselves.

Ever bet football tickets ? Six bucks, pick I think three teams, not sure anymore. But you could win a hundred or so. Well if the runner doesn't turn the slips and the money in to the bookie the runner is on the hook if the people win. If the people lose the runner makes money. Some honest runners would die before failing to turn it in, others will take the gamble, and if they're caught shit happens. I am fine with that. But if the runner always wins he never gets caught. Well in the crash they all got caught doing it, well those who were.

There was a similar game going on in the insurance industry, it was dubbed gambling with the float, which is the same thing. Insurance salesmen would not turn in the premiums and be happy with their comission, they saw the pile of money and wanted it all. So they took the money and people who thought they were insured were not. Everything goes along fine until there is a claim. Then people go to prison.

Same shit all the way around. And even Ken's perspective might not be all wrong. There may have been small private banks run by goniffs, but that wasn't the rule so much as the exception. People would put their money into the local banks because they felt they could trust the people who ran the banks. Possibly they could've. The assumption among the sheeple is that they were not trustable, but that the feds were. The centralized bank was. They were obviously wrong.

It's all the same game and has been going on for a long time.

T^T

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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 2:54:33 AM   
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"When it became illegal to refuse *legal tender* as a form of debt repayment"

Works both ways. If you're out on a lonely country road and see a gas station and all you have is a $100 bill, you go get forty bucks in gas and they refuse to accept it, they will call the police. You call the sherriff, and the sherrif will prevent you from being arrested and you can go on your way without signing a cognovant note or anything of the sort. People used to use this as a scam. Gas stations have adapted, when challenged they will take the large bills.

But I can demand any specie I want for the repayment of a debt. If I loan someone......... Let's say a gun. No amount of money will pay me back. I don't trade iron for gold or silver, ever. And I really couldn't care less. This demand is stated, and actually is pretty much supported by the tenet in tort law that states that one can demand "specific preformance". So it's not as "illegal" as people think.

T^T

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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 3:00:56 AM   
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"BTW-  The UN is considering  opening up charges on crimes against humanity for removing Glass Steagall."

The UN ? WTF fuck do you care ? The UN ? The same UN that granted consultant status to NAMBLA ? The same UN which in their own charter defines peace as "The absence of opposition" ?

Hey, let's cite them ! Bullshit. Quit switching sides. I am sick of people taking one side when it suits them and another on another day.

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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 3:05:24 AM   
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"At what point is someone going to recover old computer rare earths and specie?"

Apparently you missed that in another thread. Describe those rare Earths. There ain't none. With a quadrillion worth of equipment you can get sheer ounces of gallium, arenic and even some gold and silver. A bunch of copper and a pile of junk phenolic and glass exopy. In the end you're better off scapping the sheetmetal. It's like unscrambling eggs.

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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 4:42:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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~FR~


Some basic economics.

In a period of deflation, i.e. lowering prices, nobody wants to spend because they're waiting for prices to go down further. Why spend today when your increasing value currency will buy more next month or next year? Not to mention that businesses running at slim margins drop like flies during deflation. Ask the farmers in the 1870's-90' US how great deflation is. Completely wrecked them. Ask the Japanese how good deflation is. They've been stuck in neutral over ten years. Nobody wants to buy unless they have to.




and you think thats BAD?

are you kidding?




OK, my mistake.


Putting farmers to the dirt and small businesses to the poor house is a godsend and a blessing. 

I somehow forgot "nickel magazine gold sellers economics" fundamentals there, sorry.

Starving people are a healthy element of any good economic system, the absence of which can only indicate overregulation.

And while we're at it, hell no! 14 hour days for kids isn't a bad thing! What are they? Ungrateful wimps?


Only some overbearing 'gubmint' who is actually controlled by the British Crown could have have come up with such a law to reduce child worker hours so as to enslave us all!


WE ARE NOT FREE!















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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 10:09:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"People didn't trust the banks before the holiday."

That completely contradicts your stance. You say people didn't trust them but they were going to put their money in them ?

Is that really what you are saying ?

T^T

Are you illiterate?

Before the bank holiday people were afriad of banks failing and many had withdrawn all their money and were not depositing their money. This endangered even solvent banks and greatly restricted credit. The bank holiday was done to restore confidence in the banks that did reopen.

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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 12:42:24 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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"People didn't trust the banks before the holiday."

That completely contradicts your stance. You say people didn't trust them but they were going to put their money in them ?

Is that really what you are saying ?

T^T

Are you illiterate?

Before the bank holiday people were afriad of banks failing and many had withdrawn all their money and were not depositing their money. This endangered even solvent banks and greatly restricted credit. The bank holiday was done to restore confidence in the banks that did reopen.


People want the dollar so much silver hit $48 this hour.  yay for the federal reserve.   Yay.

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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 9:20:51 PM   
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but ken why did people lose confidence?  Did they consult whodoo the guru?  NO they seen what the banks did!  It was a rerun of the late teens cheap money to loan then dry up liquidity.  It worked so good the first time they did it again only they got greedy and caused a major depression in 29.

People seen the writing on the wall just like they do now!

Hunk has been saying buy silver as a money hedge for how long now?   Just because you are blind to what is REALLY going down does not mean everyone is.   Did you take hunks advice and hedge with silver or gold bullion?

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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 9:32:06 PM   
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"When it became illegal to refuse *legal tender* as a form of debt repayment"

Works both ways. If you're out on a lonely country road and see a gas station and all you have is a $100 bill, you go get forty bucks in gas and they refuse to accept it, they will call the police. You call the sherriff, and the sherrif will prevent you from being arrested and you can go on your way without signing a cognovant note or anything of the sort. People used to use this as a scam. Gas stations have adapted, when challenged they will take the large bills.

But I can demand any specie I want for the repayment of a debt. If I loan someone......... Let's say a gun. No amount of money will pay me back. I don't trade iron for gold or silver, ever. And I really couldn't care less. This demand is stated, and actually is pretty much supported by the tenet in tort law that states that one can demand "specific preformance". So it's not as "illegal" as people think.

T^T


use of private federal reserve notes created a trust.

Wanna bet the name of the trust is "IN GOD WE"  or "IN GOD WE TRUST"

wanna bet that we are the beneficiaries of said trust? 

Just think how that would make us next to a lame duck to sue them for anything.  any of this ringing bells yet?

so anyone who uses the federal reserve notes are the enemy of the state and the irs must keep track of how much of that private "contraband" is in this country?

Now you are franchised to said gub that passed said federal reserve act etc etc etc and the constitution stating gold and silver has now been bypassed.

sneeky wabbits

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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/27/2011 11:43:41 PM   
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How about more omnidirectional thinking. Why are there banks ? What started banks ? What possible reason in the world would any sane person give therir money to someone else to "hold" for them ?

Well, I can't think of many reasons other than the fact that they had extra money and they didn't want it laying around to get lost, stolen or burnt up in case of a fire or something. Even if that's not the case, maybe it was the interest.

Sooooo, for whatever reason this money went into banks. Question : Just from where did this money come ? Didn't they need every last fucking dime for food and rent and shit, lest they starve on the street ? Years ago people dealt in cash. They didn't need a credit card to buy garbage on the internet. They didn't need a Paypal account. They didn't need a credit card to rent a car. Why the fuck would they trust someone else with their money ?

Or was it more of a community thing ? Like the "building and loan" that the guy worked at in the movie they show around Christmastime ? The one in which Potter stole the money and they blame this guy and he wished he had never been born, and some angel or something showed him what would've happened if he had indeed never been born. The druggist was a drunk, and the name of the town changed to Potterville, something like that. Did people WANT to do this ? Pool their money to loan to people so they could build a store, buy a farm, shit like that ? If the set and setting of that movie bears any resemblance to reality at all, what was the idea ?

Does fiction portray life ? Why the fuck would anyone want to let someone else hold their money ? What was wrong with these people ? Did they not know greed or were they indulging is projection, thinking that everyone was as honest as they ?

The fact is when you put money in the bank you are effectively saying that "I have this money, I don't have any use for it, so you take it and use it for your purposes but I want it back, maybe, eventually".

Think about the old Christmas club accounts. They didn't pay shit even in the glory days of high interest. Why the fuck have a savings account at all ? They don't pay shit. I'm going to let some asshole use MY money to further his own goals ? There must have been some modicum of trust at work here. And some percieved benefit.

If I have to write a check for $815, I will put $820 in the bank. I don't need a ledger, I simply do not send a check until I have deposited the money. The scant few dollars that accumulate in there amounts to my savings account, which stands at about $14 right now, and isn't likely to increase much. (hopefully I can trust them with $14) Hell, I have a safe and a gun and a security system that is just about foolproof. Think of the movie Crocodile Dundee and the line "I have a donk".

I had a friend, died of cancer about three years ago or so, someone stole his Vette. He and "Donk" went looking for it and found it. Sure he called the cops - to get it towed home because it was missing tires and rims. He went out and found his car himself. And he was no flakeout jakeout, he worked for NASA. I wonder if that had something to do with his demise because he used to be healthy as hell. He died with about two million in the bank and no heirs. Good deal huh ? Where do you think that money went ?

This reaches to the core of society, and more specifically to people's gullibility. Ken thinks I'm illiterate when I point out a contradiction and that's his response. Typical. Brainwashed into thinking that "they" are all out to help you, when in reality they are out to help themselves - literally. Just like ole Jed Clampett "Mr. Drysdale is keeping the money over in his bank for me and ain't charging me a dime to do it".

Are people really that stupid ?

Fucked if I know, but my money is on YES. It's not me who is illiterate, but I am accused of such because another is so illiterate that he does not see his own contradiction. People didn't trust the banks but they were going to put their money in them, so the WONDERFUL feds stepped in and put a stop to it. And saved us all from the DANGER of owning gold. Fucking really ?

Know what, all I say and all that against all this shit, I must admit one thing. I admire, in fact stand in awe of the people who set this fucking scam up. And some having the scam laid out and completely explained, AND NOT BY US "LUNATICS", sit there and claim that everyhing is fine and the rich really are out to do the best for us rather than themselves.

In the near future I may just have to recuse myself from the politics forum here, the stupidity displayed stretches even my comprehension, and I have seen a hell of alot of stupidity in life. Alot.

T^T

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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/28/2011 7:52:39 PM   
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Doh!

Day itiz!

By executive orders issued by the President of the United States on March 9, 1933, and April 5, 1933, based upon an act of Congress passed on March 9, 1933, the use of gold coin for such purpose was prohibited and made impossible. (See 64*64 Norman v. Baltimore O. & R. Co., 294 U.S. 240 [55 S.Ct. 407, 79 L.Ed. 885, 95 A.L.R. 1352].)



By executive orders FDR single handedly over-ruled the constitution of the united states and took us off the gold standard.

Yeh thems zeparation of powers work like a champ every time!


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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/28/2011 8:01:24 PM   
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Know what, all I say and all that against all this shit, I must admit one thing. I admire, in fact stand in awe of the people who set this fucking scam up. And some having the scam laid out and completely explained, AND NOT BY US "LUNATICS", sit there and claim that everyhing is fine and the rich really are out to do the best for us rather than themselves.

In the near future I may just have to recuse myself from the politics forum here, the stupidity displayed stretches even my comprehension, and I have seen a hell of alot of stupidity in life. Alot.

T^T



yeh me too....  the more you dig into it the more incredible it gets!   I mean go back in history nothing has changed except the common people got a hell of a lot dumber in what priorities are important.

The crown and aristocracy kick our asses at every turn and have been since the beginning of time.

Hell we are to busy raising babies, watching espn and fighting the other party to figger out how fucking wealthy we could be otherwise


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RE: The GAME THEY PLAY - 4/29/2011 2:46:51 AM   
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Not trying to run off the topic here but the rest of the game should be considered.

What do you figure it costs to take a family of four to an NFL football game now ? I wouldn't know because I haven't been to one in a very long time. Back then "our" team sucked. Actually they still suck. But I just refuse to pay that much, even if I wanted to go. Believe me I don't. But I don't see the NFL hurting for money.

I don't see Hollywood going broke either. Or the music industry. They whine about how much they lose due to piracy, but they make plenty of money. How about the fashion industry. Thousands for a buck and a half worth of cloth. Need I mention Nike and Reebok ?

Cool flourescent lights for under the car, spoilers, and tires so skinny the car rides like shit. Not to mention the radio with damnear a TV built into it, a display of going down the road or a spectrum analyser. Forty bucks worth of technology added to a twenty buck radio which costs $300. Not to mention the amps and speakers that can drown out people's shouts "STOP" when they're killing a kid by dragging them and their tricycle down the street. Mufflers that don't muffle, but they got really nice chrome plating. This has gone beyond fuzzy dice.

Drugs to make you feel better after your dog dies. Fifty buck hairdos that my sinister could do with a steak knife. Electronics of the highest caliber that fail in two years, if that. And believe me it has creeped into professional equipment as well, which makes the old stuff more valuable due to reliability. And no parts.

The list can go on for quite some time. The fact is in most cases you get paid more to play than to work. Painting bridges and lighting them up to make the city skyline look better, but no money to fix the chuckholes.

And all the while prices never go down. Gasoline goes up because the demand for heating oil went up in September, go figure. Then the decreased demand for heating oil in the spring adverely affects profits so gasoline must go up again. So now they have busses that run on natural gas. Natural gas now must go up because of the demand.

You put it right in peoples' faces that the water they buy in bottles is nothing but tap water from another city, at maybe five bucks a gallon, and they keep on buying it.

The people showed them the way to play the game. Detailed instructions straight from the wallet. Without the "consumer" none of this could've happened. Real, you are big on words, why is it consumer and not customer ? Really, consumer probably is the more decriptive word.

Totally free checking, great, Mr. Drysdale will keep all my money in the bank for me and not charge me a dime to do it. What'll they give for a savings account ? About 2% APY, not even APR. The compounding is already figured out for you. Of course the greatest buzzword in advertising is "easy". And it was easy to get a loan. At what APR ? Notice it's not APY when you are paying.

It's not so hard to get out of paying income tax. Alot more people do it than most think. Many just snip the paper trail. But did they get out of paying taxes ? No. Everything you buy is saddled with taxes galore. They are so nice not to charge sales tax on food. But they taxed the shit out of the farmer, whoever packed and/or processed the food, the truck that took it out, the truck that brought it in and the store the sells it. And each and every employee in every business in the chain.

How about those trucks ? First of all I know some people and there may be a big strike coming. They are being taxed out of existence. Regulations are getting ridiculous and it will probably get to the point where you can lose your CDL for having a hangnail. Everything we buy came on a truck, including trucks. It used to be more efficient until they dessimated the rail system. I heard GM had something to do with that from an oldtimer, but I'm not quite sure how they did it. Rail transportation was cheap and efficient. Trucks would not have to go cross country, just back and forth to the railroad stations. Trains roll steel on steel, like ball bearings. Of course that had to be fixed, it just worked too well. Passenger railways, how many are there now ? Can't you see that it is better to the use fossil fuel to lift tons of metal up in the air ? Not more efficient, not cheaper, but somehow better.

How long can this go on ? Not much longer. It's not going to be a matter of disposable cash, there will be no disposable cash. For many there isn't now. But all the people living comfortably now I have one thing to say - it is coming to you. Why ? Because "they" want it all. I've never seen so many bad decisions made in my life, and I mean that literally. It's been going on for a very long time.

Are people going to change ? Yes. Are people going to change willingly ? No. There will be no choice.

Boils down to this. When we had a real economy, we could afford these luxuries. There are still enough people with the money to burn right now. That will change. When you see movie studios going out of business and the NFL in financial trouble that's when it is near. They got big on our dime, and the bigger they are the harder they fall. People with a bunch of money have alot more to lose. But they give it away anyway. You get paid more to play than to work because entertainment is so important. Look at the video game industry. Look at Starbucks.

People made it happen. The bigwigs just catered to their wishes. The wallet speaks the loudest.

T^T

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