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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/26/2011 7:27:34 PM

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i have the feeling that most of us here are pissed off about that.

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/26/2011 9:45:12 PM

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http://www.thedailynorwalk.com/news/mother-defends-enrolling-son-norwalk-school
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/policereports/article/Bridgeport-woman-arrested-for-registering-son-in-1340009.php
Further reading.

It seems pretty clear that the powers that be are trying to make an example of this woman, and I think they made a horrid choice. If there are enough parents doing this in Norwalk disctrict to supposedly justify hiring private investigators (gee, I wonder how much that costs

), why the hell would the first person who has ever been arrested and prosecuted for this be a homeless woman? Her situation means there is little to no chance of gaining restitution, so why choose her? The whole thing smacks of 'easy target' and just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The circumstances also suck. Had this woman known that all she had to do was register at the shelter and her son could go to Norwalk, why wouldn't she do it? My guess is that this is the first time she had registered a child for school and she somehow missed the part of the paperwork that reads 'If you are homeless, please use the address of the shelter where you are staying'... or gee, maybe that information is not included in the registration forms. I wouldn't exactly blame her if she was afraid that putting the address of a homeless shelter on school registration forms would bring CPS a calling to remove her son from her custody. Perhaps that is why she never registered at the shelter; I don't know.
Should she have asked? Definitely. But I can understand why she may not have.

That said, wouldn't the Norwalk district have been 'out' the same amount of money if she had registered at the shelter and legally sent her son to Brookside? Unless the district gets extra money for homeless students, the answer is 'yes' and this boils down to a paperwork error. While ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking it, I see this as one hell of a mitigating factor. Also, she received a message telling her that her son needed to leave the school and immediately pulled him out after only 4 months at Norwalk, yet they are going after her for $15,000+ - the cost of an entire year for a Norwalk student? WTF?

I think the politicos in Norwalk had better fasten their seat belts, because the backlash on this has already started and I suspect that the whole thing is going to blow up in their faces.

ETA- If Norwalk can claim 'theft of services' for educating a child who lives outside their district, I think that I should be able to claim 'theft of funds' when my tax money is used to educate other people's children. I don't have kids, so why do I pay for schools?

It might be worth a letter to Jerry Brown, if only to make the sycophant who reads it twitch

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/26/2011 10:50:59 PM

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"I don't have kids, so why do I pay for schools? "

Good fucking point.

Now let me introduce you to omnidirectional thinking. You think these assholes are that dumb ? Hell no, they have a plan. What must that plan be ? Why do they persue this so fervently ?

Let me introduce you to simplification. Take it back to the schoolyard with the big kids and the little kids, and who owns all the lunch money. In a phrase - Who are they trying to impress ?

You think they are catering to the broken, downtrodden, poor and homeless ? Yeah right.

So who do they work for ?

It really is that simple. Draw your own conclusions.

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/27/2011 4:50:49 AM

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The part of this that rankles most is that some kids get better public education than other kids because of where they live. That isn't the way public education should work.

I talked to a women from Redford (small city just east of the one I live in) who was complaining because the Livonia (my city) schools are considered so much better than the ones in Redford. She didn't think this was fair because they are both public schools. I asked her if she had voted for the last tax increase that was proposed and she said "no, we shouldn't have to pay more taxes for school, that's what the government is for". So how do you make them equal when the parents are not willing to pay for it? Should the kids in Livonia suffer because the parents in Redford don't want to increase their taxes?

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/27/2011 9:01:02 AM

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ETA- If Norwalk can claim 'theft of services' for educating a child who lives outside their district, I think that I should be able to claim 'theft of funds' when my tax money is used to educate other people's children. I don't have kids, so why do I pay for schools?

Did you attend public schools? If so, you are paying back the society that educated you when you pay taxes to educate others. Even if you did not attend a public school, ever, you still live in a community with other people. Do you want to have paved roads, someone to make change for you when you go to the store, people sharing the road with you that are not illiterate? Most tasks that are done in day to day existence require some sort of education in order to accomplish them. If we did not try to educate our populace, made education a private matter, the price of having someone who can read, write, and do arithmetic would go up substantially, because there would be less people who could do those things.

Personally, I do not want to step back into some romanticized agrarian past, those who do should move somewhere like Mexico, where a kid is lucky to graduate 6th grade.

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/27/2011 9:33:06 AM

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The part of this that rankles most is that some kids get better public education than other kids because of where they live. That isn't the way public education should work.

I talked to a women from Redford (small city just east of the one I live in) who was complaining because the Livonia (my city) schools are considered so much better than the ones in Redford. She didn't think this was fair because they are both public schools. I asked her if she had voted for the last tax increase that was proposed and she said "no, we shouldn't have to pay more taxes for school, that's what the government is for". So how do you make them equal when the parents are not willing to pay for it? Should the kids in Livonia suffer because the parents in Redford don't want to increase their taxes?

Most local schooling is paid for out of property taxes. If you live in a city with high property values, then you get better schools as a result of that. Since most lower middle class people cannot afford housing in those districts they are just shit out of luck when it comes to having well funded schools. I had a friend that briefly taught at a high school in the suburbs of the rich part of Atlanta. Those kids had 500 dollar purses and shoes to match. They had a food court, not a cafeteria. She was appalled at the level of opulence at this school. She has a masters degree in special education, and they were having her counsel kids on how to get their transcripts to be more advantageous for ivy league colleges. She transfered out of this school after one semester because her heart was with kids she felt truly needed her expertise, those kids didn't.

You seem to be saying that rich kids deserve a better education at public schools because their parents have homes worth much more money. So the kid who has two parents working low income jobs, living paycheck to paycheck, and who often are not educationally advantaged themselves.... well those kids don't deserve that level of education. Sometimes it isn't possible to tax a community more, because it is hard to get blood out of a turnip.

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/27/2011 1:03:04 PM

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You seem to be saying that rich kids deserve a better education at public schools because their parents have homes worth much more money.

No, I was talking about my neighborhood and it's far from rich. What I was saying was if this women was truly interested in improving the schools in her city, she wouldn't vote down every tax proposal that came up.

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/27/2011 8:07:02 PM

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You seem to be saying that rich kids deserve a better education at public schools because their parents have homes worth much more money.

No, I was talking about my neighborhood and it's far from rich. What I was saying was if this women was truly interested in improving the schools in her city, she wouldn't vote down every tax proposal that came up.

Well, unfortunately all of the children in her district suffer for it, whether their parents voted for a new tax or not.

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/27/2011 11:01:22 PM

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Duh.

I understood you the first time, boi.

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/28/2011 4:03:12 AM

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Duh.

I understood you the first time, boi.

The first time? This is the first time I have responded to you in this thread. What are you on about now?

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/28/2011 5:27:10 AM

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You seem to be saying that rich kids deserve a better education at public schools because their parents have homes worth much more money.

No, I was talking about my neighborhood and it's far from rich. What I was saying was if this women was truly interested in improving the schools in her city, she wouldn't vote down every tax proposal that came up.

Well, unfortunately all of the children in her district suffer for it, whether their parents voted for a new tax or not.

Here is an interesting plan our new governor is working on. It seems to address some of the issues we have been talking about.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110428/NEWS06/104280539/Rick-Snyder-Let-s-fix-Michigan-schools?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/28/2011 10:40:59 AM

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First of all, yes, schools get state funding for "illegally" registered students, because typically they are reported as legal, as in the school doesn't know they aren't actually from that district.

Second, saying schools don't get funding for unregistered students is the stupidest thing I've read on this thread. Why? Because UNregistered students aren't attending the school. This isn't a college class you can sneak into and sit in the back of without notice.

The articles provided by WldHrt mentioned how parents regularly complained about student from Bridgeport attending there. What do you want to bet Bridgeport kids are predominately from poorer black families. This is the first time they handled it like this. If I were the public defender, I would be looking at every student's address and those other "investigations."

The way to balance school systems out is simple. The tax money is handled and distributed at the state level rather than the town. Yep, rich districts are paying more, but no school needs a food court. If all the money is more evenly distributed based on number of students, it's a start.

All the elitists who don't like it can send their kids to private school.

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/28/2011 11:49:59 AM

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RE: mother charged for wanting better education for son - 4/28/2011 11:57:51 AM

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A couple of things:

How do they determine what school her kid's *supposed* to be in if she doesn't have a permanent residence??

20 years in prison seems ridiculous. What's the sentence for murder?

It depends on what you do for a living. If you're in the NFL and do it with a car and a few drinks, not long.

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