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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/5/2011 11:58:39 PM   
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And the reverse is NOT true, I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.
  Some of the biggest ball-busting bitches in the world are total submissives.  In my experience, they challenge each and every man they encounter, desperately looking for the one who'll take them on and conquer them.  They have total contempt for the ones who try and fail.  I'm no longer surprised when I hear such a woman tell me she's looking for a 1950's household.

Basically most women are submissive - some of them just don't realise it yet.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 12:00:19 AM   
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Why don't you all come downstairs and join me for some cake and lemonade?

  What really disturbs me is how you made that sound dirty.

God, I hope you don't work with impressionable young minds.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 12:02:36 AM   
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If anyone here seriously thinks I'm moved one whit by the opprobrium of a clique-driven lynch mob, then they really do need to get out more.
But I got to you Now be a good little boy and crawl for me.

*My plan is to make you use up all your printer ink making dart boards*
  *snarls*  I... have a lot of ink... bitch.  And I can buy a lot more.

Say, can you cook?


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 12:08:54 AM   
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Why don't you all come downstairs and join me for some cake and lemonade?

  What really disturbs me is how you made that sound dirty.

God, I hope you don't work with impressionable young minds.



What sounded dirty about it?  It's cake and lemonade you demented fuck.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 12:16:11 AM   
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Jesus Christ, how concerned are you with the random opinion of some asshole on the net?  You claim not to play reputation dynamics and here you are bleating like a child about the fucking damage to your reputation made by some asshole who's not exactly held in high esteem by the brigade of sycophants here.  Harden the fuck up, woman.

Where did I say you damaged My reputation?  Is that really how you see what transpired on this thread? 

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No, you ditzy wench, it was a tangent introduced by yet another would-be Domme who had her panties in a twist.  Your sig was the first and most eye-rolling thing which came to mind, simply because I encountered it the most and because Australians frequently refer to our homeland as "Oz".  It caught my eye and stuck in my mind.  Indeed, because of it, I originally thought you *were* Australian.

Either that or Kansas.  You really don't think you're the first person who ever asked, do you? 

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Yes, yes.  This is the second time you've made that suggestion and while I'm sure it really does strike fear into the hearts of some types who fear you've seen into their inner selves, it really does sound more to me like a comfortable explanation you reach for whenever you strike a male dominant who doesn't agree with you.

You're kidding, right?  I've made My position clear on this on several occasions.  I don't have any problem debating with male Dominants if we have a difference of opinion on a subject.

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Numbers only factor into things if you're playing a numbers game.  A male dominant with strength and character is rare.  And believe me, female submissives who aren't possessed by sub frenzy can spot 'em a mile off.  The good news is, any man who doesn't have the requisite strength and character can achieve it.  This involves hardening the fuck up, making difficult choices and becoming a man.

Back up the truck a bit.  I happen to have a lot of respect for female submissives and I agree with you that they know how to separate the wheat from the chaff.  They know how to tell the difference between a male Dominant and an asshole, too.

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Oh bollocks.  The male submissives in this thread have merely ingratiated themselves into a group.  That's all.  Your evaluation of them is not based upon some impartial metric - it's all about alliances.  It's about as credible as any woman's evaluation of her friends or social circle.

Yes.  That's it.  Not that they have the qualities that female Dominants consistently say they want in the first place. 

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To be honest, I don't see the point.  Any Dom who whines about the fact that women have the opportunity to be more selective just
by virtue of the relative numbers needs to seriously take a good look at himself and harden the fuck up.  Life is hard, we're in competition for resources, power and the opposite sex.  The options are either A) Deal with it or B) Turn into a subby bitch and whine for attention.

You've completely lost it if you think the sub males on this thread have to whine for attention. 

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Come to think of it, there's been an awful lot of option B exercised in this thread.  Funny that.

Here's something else funny.  The moaning you've done on the thread was pretty weak.  You could have come to the plate with your past experiences and why they have colored your opinion.  You didn't do that, which was pretty darn disappointing.



Yes, I really edited to add an eye roll emote.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 12:35:45 AM   
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Where did I say you damaged My reputation?  Is that really how you see what transpired on this thread? 
  Then what the fuck are you bitching about?  Seriously.  I reference your former sig as an example of something specific I'm talking about and your response is "you chickenshit, you did that behind my back".  Did what?  Ventured an opinion about the character of Dommes here - of which your sig was a specific example?   I'm sure there's a thousand whiny subs bitching about my character in a bundle of threads on this board, but I really don't give a fuck.  What on earth are you defending here if not your reputation?

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You're kidding, right?  I've made My position clear on this on several occasions.  I don't have any problem debating with male Dominants if we have a difference of opinion on a subject.
  You're the one who's twice reached for the easy explanation.  Once obliquely and once directly.  I ignored the oblique reference because you're free to think as you like and your conclusions about me are your own problem.  When you make the same suggestion directly, it really looks like you're hoping I'll bite. 

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They know how to tell the difference between a male Dominant and an asshole, too.
  Strange as it may seem, the two are not mutually exclusive.

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Oh bollocks.  The male submissives in this thread have merely ingratiated themselves into a group.  That's all.  Your evaluation of them is not based upon some impartial metric - it's all about alliances.  It's about as credible as any woman's evaluation of her friends or social circle.

Yes.  That's it.  Not that they have the qualities that female Dominants consistently say they want in the first place. 
No my dear, it's simply that your statement was without discrimination.  You simply referred to "the male submissives in this thread".  In other words, you granted characteristics to them simply by virtue of the fact that they showed up.  This lack of discrimination correlates directly with a lack of sincerity.  Most women know that men who compliment indiscriminately deliver compliments that are completely worthless.  In like manner, your positive evaluation of them was without discrimination, it had nothing to do with them as individuals and thus it was worthless.  I'm afraid you still have much to learn.

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You've completely lost it if you think the sub males on this thread have to whine for attention.
What I find amusing is the degree to which they've done exactly that.

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Here's something else funny.  The moaning you've done on the thread was pretty weak.  You could have come to the plate with your past experiences and why they have colored your opinion.  You didn't do that, which was pretty darn disappointing.
*laugh*  Your lack of insight is not exactly going to upset me.  And your suggestion presupposes that my belief structures are based on negative personal experiences.  That's naive.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 12:47:11 AM   
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What sounded dirty about it?  It's cake and lemonade you demented fuck.

  A likely story.  Save it for the judge.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 12:50:23 AM   
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What sounded dirty about it?  It's cake and lemonade you demented fuck.

  A likely story.  Save it for the judge.


Do you want my lemonade or not? 

It goes down very smoothly. 




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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 12:51:32 AM   
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If inciting a flame-war is wrong, why does it feel so right?

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 12:56:15 AM   
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Was this just a wise ploy to get Awareness exiled for two weeks?


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 1:13:10 AM   
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Was this just a wise ploy to get Awareness exiled for two weeks?



No, no. I'm pretty sure I did have a subconscious ulterior motive, but it wasn't that. I'll let you know when I figure it out.

But for the record, I think Awareness would cum if a chick raped him in the ass.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 1:15:15 AM   
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Then what the fuck are you bitching about?  Seriously.  I reference your former sig as an example of something specific I'm talking about and your response is "you chickenshit, you did that behind my back".  Did what?  Ventured an opinion about the character of Dommes here - of which your sig was a specific example?   I'm sure there's a thousand whiny subs bitching about my character in a bundle of threads on this board, but I really don't give a fuck.  What on earth are you defending here if not your reputation?

Dude, you kind of suck at this.  Stick with something logical.

I'd have trouble actually finding threads where anybody was bitching about you in your absence.  Do you ever find yourself being referenced when you're not around?  If you were, I missed it. 

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You're the one who's twice reached for the easy explanation.  Once obliquely and once directly.  I ignored the oblique reference because you're free to think as you like and your conclusions about me are your own problem.  When you make the same suggestion directly, it really looks like you're hoping I'll bite. 

You've spent quite a bit of time on this thread trying to support an emotional reaction that has no logical basis?  Ok.  Stick with that.

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Strange as it may seem, the two are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.

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No my dear, it's simply that your statement was without discrimination.  You simply referred to "the male submissives in this thread".  In other words, you granted characteristics to them simply by virtue of the fact that they showed up.  This lack of discrimination correlates directly with a lack of sincerity.  Most women know that men who compliment indiscriminately deliver compliments that are completely worthless.  In like manner, your positive evaluation of them was without discrimination, it had nothing to do with them as individuals and thus it was worthless.  I'm afraid you still have much to learn.

I have to tell you that you're wrong there.  It's got everything to do with who they are as individuals.  They already know the qualities that I find admirable in them.  Can't you gather enough information about individuals on these forums and via discussions through email to evaluate those kinds of things when it comes to submissive women?

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What I find amusing is the degree to which they've done exactly that.

We'll have to have a difference of opinion on that.  I'm going to go with Roch's prior post.  I don't really think you'd be voicing these opinions if one of these guys was in front of you and have the ability to clean your clock. 

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*laugh*  Your lack of insight is not exactly going to upset me.  And your suggestion presupposes that my belief structures are based on negative personal experiences.  That's naive

Then what are you basing it on?  Contempt is pretty strong to have for an entire orientation of people.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 1:15:37 AM   
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You know some weird chicks.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 1:17:37 AM   
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Was this just a wise ploy to get Awareness exiled for two weeks?


He was exiled?  I missed it.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 3:28:18 AM   
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Oh bollocks.  The male submissives in this thread have merely ingratiated themselves into a group.  That's all.  Your evaluation of them is not based upon some impartial metric - it's all about alliances. 


Crass generalisations do you no justice. I dont post to be part of any group, in fact my only reason for posting was the impartial metric that you are coming across as a bit of a wanker. Nothing manly shines out from your posts, not one beacon of light for us [sarcasm]lesser[/sarcasm] men to follow into the sunset. You fail to debate any reasonable points put across, so much so that your replies seem like rants.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 5:33:30 AM   
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And the reverse is NOT true, I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.
  Some of the biggest ball-busting bitches in the world are total submissives.  In my experience, they challenge each and every man they encounter, desperately looking for the one who'll take them on and conquer them.  They have total contempt for the ones who try and fail.  I'm no longer surprised when I hear such a woman tell me she's looking for a 1950's household.

Basically most women are submissive - some of them just don't realise it yet.



I reread this statement this morning, and could see how it could be misconstrued. Allow me to rephrase it please?

Here's the whole paragraph:

Any female with any experience as a dominant at all knows this to be true. The number of "secret" male switches or subs out there is flabberghasting. I've had many supposed male dominants approach me in secret to dom them; being a fem dom is like being a confessor, you know so many men's secrets. In my experience, the reverse is NOT true, I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female (not a poser, what I would consider the real deal based on in person knowledge) turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them in secret.

The point being, many males are ashamed of their sub side and don't have the balls to admit they like to be topped, too.

As far as most females being submissive, I have to disagree. Most people, in my never humble opinion, are neither sub nor dom but somewhere in between.

This from one of your responses to LadyP:

Oh bollocks.  The male submissives in this thread have merely ingratiated themselves into a group.  That's all.  Your evaluation of them is not based upon some impartial metric - it's all about alliances.  It's about as credible as any woman's evaluation of her friends or social circle.

Reminds me that I must make encrypted contact with the cabal concerning the latest in undesirable traits found in the subject "A,"  trait being: paranoia.



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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 6:14:22 AM   
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And the reverse is NOT true, I've never know someone who presented themselves as a dom female turn around and decide they wanted me to dom them.
  Some of the biggest ball-busting bitches in the world are total submissives.  In my experience, they challenge each and every man they encounter, desperately looking for the one who'll take them on and conquer them.  They have total contempt for the ones who try and fail.  I'm no longer surprised when I hear such a woman tell me she's looking for a 1950's household.



I agree. This has been my personal experience and that of others close to me in regards to the female dominants we have known. It's not true for all female dominants, though. And yes, I've also seen (through my female dominant friends' eyes) that something like the converse happens: a good number of publicly male dominants approach a few dominant women secretly with a desire to sub while advertising themselves to everyone else as purely dominant. My conclusion is that there are a lot more switches out there than openly admit to it and that most of them have decided that, whatever their inner impulses, it is far easier to present to the world as only a dominant than as only submissive or as a switch. They tend to get addicted to the prestige and respect accorded the first role and become ashamed to show the kinky public their submissive sides. A classic case of this was a well-known dom-dom couple whom I knew intimately, and, because I knew them intimately, I knew they were both switches, each with a slight preference for the bottom side (which caused considerable trouble in their relationship, have no doubt!), but they presented themselves (and even convinced themselves, I'm afraid: that's the danger of false personas, we tend to become them) that they are both purely dominant.

Of course there are purely dominant women and purely dominant men. But I think they are a lot rarer than many people think. I appreciate the bravery of someone who, if they are a switch, openly admits it and does not always or largely identify with the more "prestigious" dominant role. I think it's honest to do this. Something that complicates the matter is a type of switch who, when they are submissive are purely submissive and when they are dominant are purely dominant, never feeling both urges at the same time. These individuals are relatively rare, but when one of them says, "I am dominant" or "I am submissive" I know that for the indefinite future, perhaps forever, they are solely that.

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Basically most women are submissive - some of them just don't realise it yet.


This could be, but the jury is still out on that for me. Historically speaking, women have strong reason to be inclined toward submissiveness, and it might even be a genetic tendency by now. But when it comes to psychological inclinations, people seem to (a) be able to fight their genes a bit with the will to be/do something else or else (b) to never have these latent genetic tendencies triggered because their environment doesn't provide the right stimuli. But just observing things as they are right here and now, I'd say that the majority of women (and men) are not dominant or submissive, they're more "I could care less." They're relatively clueless about power's role in personal relationships, and, in their dealings with each other, grope about as if blind, each seeking advantages, each trying to get needs met, each willing to concede *this* but not *that*, each consulting the augurs of the times for help (women's magazines like Cosmo for females and pickup-advice books like the Mystery Method for males), and doing all of the above in quite confused ways. Transactions and exchanges (I'll do this if you do that) are a way of life in such arrangements. So is trickery. So is tension and its release (you could say this one is so in dominant-submissive relationships, too, but the terms have a very different reality behind them than when used in the vanilla context). Sometimes such people find a compatible partner and reach a peaceful harmony, but their lack of knowledge about power, their blind spot, places this peaceful coexistent, however long-lasting, in jeopardy. Something as trivial as a shakeup in their lifestyles or even daily routines could be enough to shatter their faith in the other person.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 6:30:00 AM   
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What sounded dirty about it?  It's cake and lemonade you demented fuck.

  A likely story.  Save it for the judge.


Do you want my lemonade or not? 

It goes down very smoothly. 




(laughing) If I were one of those people that collected quotes of the week, THIS would be it. Thank you for the comic (?) relief which was much needed in this thread, wise NocStalk.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 7:04:50 AM   
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Do you ever find yourself being referenced when you're not around?  If you were, I missed it. 


i thought you were always around... that is how it seems to me... yawn...
so if you missed it, it MUST not have happened happened...

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/6/2011 7:09:58 AM   
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Ranja.........you really do need to find a new routine. The middle school snark is getting boring and all too predictable.

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