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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 10:19:45 AM   
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I never knew what to think of male subs, and certainly shyed away from them out of my lack of understanding. I finally sat one night with a fellow here in Jacksonville that is a sub(about to become collared to a wonderful lady, congrats to both) and we talked for a long time, as we did, I felt a friendship with him as I would anyone.He was in a position with desires I simply couldn't comprehend, his desires were not a shortcoming in him but, my judgment of male subs WAS a shortcoming in me.
I learned a lot that evening(thank you Richard if you ever see this) I came away with a different perspective, a greater understanding, and a new found respect for things I simply didn't understand. A prejudice is a prejudice, and I was guilty of something I wouldn't normally tolerate in myself or anyone else.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 10:32:21 AM   
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So yes, I am indeed dismissing you as a random asshole on the internet. In fact, I did that quite a few pages ago. Just saying.

Well, I'm not a male sub, but I do bottom to Carol on occasion, does that count? And yeah, I dismissed him weeks ago. The hide button just does so much to clean up my CM browsing experience.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 10:37:44 AM   
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I admit to being pretty uncomfortable around the submissive husbands of women I was involved with years ago. And eventually one woman wanted her subbie hubby to learn the fine art of cocksuckig - and I agreed to be his first. It was akward to say the least and I couldn't even cum. But truth is, it felt just fine. And when I decided to just relax and go with it, I discovered sub males can be excellent sexual and non sexual servants. And also, sub males are better company when I just want to hang out. I am not sexually attracted to males, but frankly, I like sub males and I have enjoyed being serviced orally by males just as much as by females. And there is a special pleasure in pulling a sub male to my crotch and telling him to "kiss it". Maybe its the taboo.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 10:37:49 AM   
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Open dialog is the first step in the path to making this a better place whether it is the world of BDSM or the world in general.


True. But those who've rejoiced in their contempt of male subs here have demonstrated that they're not capable of it. They will continue to see their prejudices not as such, but 'what is natural', what is their own 'inner nature', their 'instincts', 'gut likes and dislikes' and so forth - no matter how roundly and clearly such arguments are trashed.

They are not 'open' to themselves and their feelings, and see no reason why they should be. They're comfortable with them and don't want them rocked. As TitaniumMaster put it, being a submale is 'just wrong' - and that's that.

If X refuses to try understand his contempt for me, and only continues to justify that contempt, the very best that X can expect from me is that I continue to ignore him (or her). However, he very often won't get that from me because he leaves me with little option but to accept him as the twat that he not only is, but is contented at being.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 10:54:41 AM   
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He ignored your prior post Peon, as he did mine when I said he was coming across as a wanker.



Haven't you noticed?  Awareness ignores all comments or challenges from males.  It appears he is only comfortable arguing with females.  Though he'd probably say that he has too much contempt for us to acknowledge us in any way. 

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 11:16:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

I never knew what to think of male subs, and certainly shyed away from them out of my lack of understanding. I finally sat one night with a fellow here in Jacksonville that is a sub(about to become collared to a wonderful lady, congrats to both) and we talked for a long time, as we did, I felt a friendship with him as I would anyone.He was in a position with desires I simply couldn't comprehend, his desires were not a shortcoming in him but, my judgment of male subs WAS a shortcoming in me.
I learned a lot that evening(thank you Richard if you ever see this) I came away with a different perspective, a greater understanding, and a new found respect for things I simply didn't understand. A prejudice is a prejudice, and I was guilty of something I wouldn't normally tolerate in myself or anyone else.


It's very admirable that you were able to admit this.  You have my respect.

The reality is that there are lots of aspects of BDSM that I don't understand or enjoy.  For example, I don't get the appeal of scat.  The idea of it is rather nauseating to me.  But I don't judge those who enjoy it, nor do I hold them in contempt.  Same thing for masochists.  I personally don't find pain to be erotic.  But I don't question those who do.  Who am I to judge others for what they enjoy? 

There are some people who actually enjoy watching Jersey Shore or those shows featuring the Kardashian sisters.  If there's anything that deserves contempt, it's that.  But I don't even hold those people in contempt. 

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 12:39:43 PM   
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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 12:41:30 PM   
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What makes you thinnk that being a submissive male is a choice?



This is a good question, and it actually makes me wonder (going off on a bit of a tangent) to what extent having contempt for submissive males is a choice. I'm a submissive male myself, and I don't particularly want people to hold me in contempt. But if someone has an instinctive contempt for submissive males, is it fair of me to ask that person to try to overcome his or her contempt? People can't always dictate their own feelings.

Just thought I'd toss that out there.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 12:49:34 PM   
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I just dont understand why one would hold sub males in contempt.. while desiring a sub female.



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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 1:10:10 PM   
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I just dont understand why one would hold sub males in contempt.. while desiring a sub female.

Oh, that's the EASY one Greedy. The one that really baffles me are those that hold submissive females in contempt and/or submission as a whole yet desire a submissive female. I kind of hoped my life partner would in fact be of some use beyond blow jobs.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 1:17:53 PM   
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I just dont understand why one would hold sub males in contempt.. while desiring a sub female.



From what we've seen on this thread, dominant men who feel that way seem to believe that men and women are very different, and that submissive behaviour is normal for women but not for men. Didn't Awareness say at one point that it was all about testosterone? Personally, I think men and women are really pretty similar in most ways, or at least that there's much more variation in D/s orientation and most other personality traits within each sex than between the sexes. Once you get away from rigid gender roles, the whole thing about female submission being normal and reasonable (or "natural) and male submission being contemptible just starts to look silly.

So maybe it's possible in theory to change the mindset of dominant men who feel contempt towards submissive men by convincing them that there's nothing inherently masculine about dominance or inherently feminine about submission. It hasn't worked terribly well on this thread, though, from what I've seen.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 1:41:46 PM   
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Increasingly, I'm finding women who say "I want an actual MAN goddamit". There's a strong movement afoot to diminish the differences between the sexes as much as possible and the resulting emasculation of men has turned out a generation of whiny milksops who are taught to be ashamed of their masculinity.  These men are not attractive to many of the women I encounter.


I'm partially sympathetic to that viewpoint. Without a doubt, culture is changing, sex roles are in flux, and the ever-present girlpower information campaign can be excessive, if not a little annoying and irresponsible. While some portion of the submissive male trend is most likely related to the current state of feminism and even misandry in western society, it has also risen in proportion with society's freedom of expression and liberality.

There have always been secretly servile males, I'd be willing to guess. The age of "when men were men" didn't socially reward their open existence much, however. Today, it's all a different story now, and yes, it's altering or perhaps expanding age-old concepts of what it means to be a man. Where I falter in your rationale is connecting this with the idea all males who submit are milquetoast. I know for sure some of them are (and that in and of itself is sometimes the entire point!), but the brush you paint with is too broad, and lends to a rather dismissive view of male submission and the potentiality of female influence, as well. That marginalization is tough to market with intellectual responsibility.

As an aside, I would be cautious of women who wistfully yearn for real men. There is without a doubt something in that desire I can sympathize with, but it can also be used for manipulative ends, too, for the classic male ego is so often so very easily duped by the female sycophant. Rather than fit their molds, I think the real example of male power is having the proverbial balls to cut across the grain of things and roam where you may, not fit within the constraints some pretty little thing would define you by for her own giggling-in-the-dark ends.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 1:56:36 PM   
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I understand that, although I think the issue is more that there's a difference between a dominant and a simple kinkster.  The classic example of this is when someone jumps onto a thread and asks questions about "learning" to become a Dom or a Master.  Both the question itself and the responses which advise people on the various things they should "learn" indicate a mindset which thinks being a Dom consists of learning the right codewords, associating with the right people and undergoing the right training.

On the contrary, being Dominant is purely about character attributes, not learning how to wield a whip.  That is, if someone wishes to become a Dom or Master, the only route is to despise weakness and develop your internal strength.  To become utterly self-reliant and insistent upon seeing reality as clearly as possible.


Yes, it is very weird to think you can learn a natural emotional inclination or attitude, particularly a sexual inclination, through skills training. You either feel it and find your own way or you don't. This is true of submissives and slaves as well, I think.

When you say the only route is to despise weakness, do you just mean weakness in yourself? If you despise weakness in general, then don't you despise the very people (submissives) you are attracted to?

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Increasingly, I'm finding women who say "I want an actual MAN goddamit".  There's a strong movement afoot to diminish the differences between the sexes as much as possible and the resulting emasculation of men has turned out a generation of whiny milksops who are taught to be ashamed of their masculinity.  These men are not attractive to many of the women I encounter.


To be fair to that type of man, the pressures of the women's movement had a lot to do with their changes. They were indoctrinated with the idea that if they wanted a female they had to behave in this new conciliatory metrosexual emotionally-sensitive (or, as you more directly put it--milksop) way. I remember the ways men used to act/think in the 60s--it was quite different. Songs of that decade (and ones prior to it) were full of sexist and power references. The Rolling Stones were notorious for this, but even the seemingly sweet and clean-cut early Beatles had songs about killing a girl who cheated on them or firmly hunting down and bringing a girlfriend back if she ran away and her loving the singer all the more for it. Even that MOR icon Tom Jones sang, in praise of a woman "And she always knows her place...she can take what I dish out..." etc. Those were different times. But people always adapt to their environment and times and I think many men have felt the only way to adapt was to act more like women wanted to them to act, which was...more like a woman. :( And yes, now there is little bit of a backlash starting. Now there are women who want the men who grew up with feminist ideology breathing down their throats and threatening them with lawsuits as well as no pussy to be more manly. But most men (I don't speak of natural dominants now) won't start being more manly until or unless the overall climate changes in favor of that. Sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon. I suppose this backlash is good for dominant men; it will make them more in demand.

The movement to diminish the differences between the sexes is very strong among the upper-middle-class intellectual elite. It's probably so in blue collar environments too, but I am not directly exposed to those. I work around highly skilled technicians (programmers) and the mathematically elite (research). The men and the women of this well-paid and privledged class which does not have to meet the public all dress the same: relaxed, casual, almost scruffy (jeans, t-shirts with funny or obscure slogans, old sweaters for the air conditioned environment, no makeup, skirts, perfume, strongly styled hair, or jewelry except occasionally ear posts on the women, occasionally cologne on the men if they're not from the US, but they quickly learn "better," and so on). Looking nerdish and unattractive is cool in these places. If you didn't see the little bumps on some chests and the slightly longer hair and shorter statures you'd not know by the dress code which were men and which were women. Interestingly enough, a good number of the men have stay-at-home wives, and when I meet these women at company events, most of them seem pleasingly and naturally female. This might be due to the international nature of the company: the talent it needs is pulled from every corner of the globe, and not all of these corners are as gender-equality-conscious as Americans are.

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Power has long been considered a dirty word, especially in some of the more conservative arenas, even while the use and abuse of it by those who vilify it has shattering consequences.  The reality is that it's a fundamental tenet of our existence as a species and our psychology makes the acquisition of it necessary to achieve goals.  As a consequence, we never stop playing that game, no matter how much we might fool ourselves otherwise. 


There is a song about this. :) I like the way it promotes insurrection. People may think that is naive, but if applied cleverly and by those with an intimate understanding of how cultural and institutional power works, it can succeed spectacularly. The Civil Rights and Anti-Vietnam war movements in the US are prime examples of this. I once knew someone who was deeply involved in those two "wars." He was a master strategist, and also a master, unsurprisingly.

I agree with you that even if you claim you do not play the power game, you still have to play it, at least to a small extent, to insure your or your family's personal survival. The more conscious you are of the game, even if you despise it, the more latitude you have to choose a course through this mess that reflects who you are and what you need, rather than letting that choice be made for you.

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That power is a fundamental element in intimate relationships is a reality that some seem unable to confront.


Mm-hmm. It's something I notice a great deal among people involved in bdsm, which is the last place one would expect to find such such shyness or desire to not think too closely about the subject.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 2:39:31 PM   
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Open dialog is the first step in the path to making this a better place whether it is the world of BDSM or the world in general.


True. But those who've rejoiced in their contempt of male subs here have demonstrated that they're not capable of it. They will continue to see their prejudices not as such, but 'what is natural', what is their own 'inner nature', their 'instincts', 'gut likes and dislikes' and so forth - no matter how roundly and clearly such arguments are trashed.

They are not 'open' to themselves and their feelings, and see no reason why they should be. They're comfortable with them and don't want them rocked. As TitaniumMaster put it, being a submale is 'just wrong' - and that's that.

If X refuses to try understand his contempt for me, and only continues to justify that contempt, the very best that X can expect from me is that I continue to ignore him (or her). However, he very often won't get that from me because he leaves me with little option but to accept him as the twat that he not only is, but is contented at being.


Apparently you have already determined that nobody is going to change their stripes and that certainly is your option. I'm of the mindset that meaningful dialog does have the potential to effect change. This thread had the potential for meaningful dialog but it was derailed pretty quickly by a few townsfolk who were just foaming at the mouth too much to be quiet and let the discussion bear some positive fruit. The only surprise is that this is no surprise in this community. It is sadly too often standard operating procedure. People bitch about things like this but in the end they really don't want change because that deprives them of their topic to bitch about (or at the very least) forces them to find another axe to grind.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 4:37:27 PM   
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I strongly believe that mindsets can be changed. Mine was and I am one stubborn bitch.

I am glad that I work hard to remain open minded and try very much to view things outside the box of my own personal preferences. It is very enriching and makes life a great deal easier and interesting.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 4:45:52 PM   
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Apparently you have already determined that nobody is going to change their stripes and that certainly is your option. I'm of the mindset that meaningful dialog does have the potential to effect change.


People can change their stripes, as witness SilverMark, above. And of course meaningful dialogue does have the potential to effect change - pretty much by definition, I'd say. However, for dialogue to be effective, people need to be open to reason - obviously. They also have to be open to themselves. That is, they have to learn to recognise, then surmount, their prejudices. That's hard enough to do even when there's a will to do it - but next to impossible otherwise.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 6:50:27 PM   
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roam where you may,
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some pretty little thing
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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/7/2011 9:24:37 PM   
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I never knew what to think of male subs, and certainly shyed away from them out of my lack of understanding. I finally sat one night with a fellow here in Jacksonville that is a sub(about to become collared to a wonderful lady, congrats to both) and we talked for a long time, as we did, I felt a friendship with him as I would anyone.He was in a position with desires I simply couldn't comprehend, his desires were not a shortcoming in him but, my judgment of male subs WAS a shortcoming in me.
I learned a lot that evening(thank you Richard if you ever see this) I came away with a different perspective, a greater understanding, and a new found respect for things I simply didn't understand. A prejudice is a prejudice, and I was guilty of something I wouldn't normally tolerate in myself or anyone else.

Mark,

If you don't mind Me saying so, I thought this was a pretty straight forward response.  I appreciated you coming on the thread to talk about your perspective.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/8/2011 1:42:13 AM   
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To be fair to that type of man, the pressures of the women's movement had a lot to do with their changes. They were indoctrinated with the idea that if they wanted a female they had to behave in this new conciliatory metrosexual emotionally-sensitive (or, as you more directly put it--milksop) way. I remember the ways men used to act/think in the 60s--it was quite different. Songs of that decade (and ones prior to it) were full of sexist and power references. The Rolling Stones were notorious for this, but even the seemingly sweet and clean-cut early Beatles had songs about killing a girl who cheated on them or firmly hunting down and bringing a girlfriend back if she ran away and her loving the singer all the more for it. Even that MOR icon Tom Jones sang, in praise of a woman "And she always knows her place...she can take what I dish out..." etc. Those were different times. But people always adapt to their environment and times and I think many men have felt the only way to adapt was to act more like women wanted to them to act, which was...more like a woman. :( And yes, now there is little bit of a backlash starting. Now there are women who want the men who grew up with feminist ideology breathing down their throats and threatening them with lawsuits as well as no pussy to be more manly. But most men (I don't speak of natural dominants now) won't start being more manly until or unless the overall climate changes in favor of that. Sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon. I suppose this backlash is good for dominant men; it will make them more in demand.


This is an interesting perspective. I asked a similar question upthread as to whether or not having women in positions of authority over men has weakened our society. When women say things like "I want an actual MAN goddamit," does that mean that they're throwing in the towel and proclaiming the women's movement to be a failure? Is that what this backlash you're referring to would indicate?

You make a good point about the 1960s, but I would also give some mention to the 1970s as well. I remember a time when they used to give hurricanes only female names. I don't know why that was, but somehow, it was a tradition that was challenged as sexist. So, at some point, they started alternating between male and female names for hurricanes. I don't know what made me think of that, but it's just one example of numerous changes which were made. It may seem pretty minor, but someone had to decide to make these changes in the first place.

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Interestingly enough, a good number of the men have stay-at-home wives, and when I meet these women at company events, most of them seem pleasingly and naturally female. This might be due to the international nature of the company: the talent it needs is pulled from every corner of the globe, and not all of these corners are as gender-equality-conscious as Americans are.


The interesting thing about this is that I know that a lot of men from male-dominated cultures seem to be more gentle and mild-mannered. It doesn't mean that that aren't strong or manly when needed, but they don't feel the need to act like Rambo or have some caveman mentality, as if they constantly have something to prove. It may be because their position in their household was part of their birthright, practically guaranteed, just as long as the woman's father agrees to the marriage. It doesn't matter what the woman wants, so the man doesn't have to impress her with flowers and romance and courting and all that stuff. He doesn't have to be muscular or handsome or good-looking either.

It's slightly different with the male figures in Leave it to Beaver or Father Knows Best, although they're still pretty mild-mannered and domesticated. They didn't have anything to prove, because society accepts them in their role, as do their wives and other members of their family. Even in the old Westerns, when "a man has to be a man," the women tended to support them automatically. They didn't have any "battle of the sexes" or endless discussions about gender politics or fret over terms like "chairman" versus "chairperson." The battle was always with other men and rarely with women.

I'm not saying that one way is better than the other, nor am I entirely sure of what is natural. Still, as a submissive male, I knew the score pretty early and realized early on that I had to hide and submerge my submissive tendencies. That's a survival mechanism, at least in one's younger years. One learns not to act submissive. One might even learn to toughen up and knock a few heads to get some respect. One might also learn that one has to be a hard-ass in the real world in order to get things done. Just out of practical necessity and nothing more.

But then there are times when you just want to let your guard down and relax.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/8/2011 9:11:38 AM   
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Well, if I'm going to step in it this morning, I might as well go all in.

The last couple of comments on this thread, I probably could have pulled from Wiki had I done a search of the rationalization on theme of John Norman behind the books.  Yes, yes, the feminists that were having an influence and all of that crap.  You know, I'm really not here to challenge your identity or your beliefs.  At the same time, I'd ask you to read the whole thing.  Listen to the history of the times and what motivations may have had an influence.  I'm just saying, have an open mind.

Ok, so let's get down to the point.  Not every Dominant male out there has had the advantage of interacting with male submissives personally.  Frankly, some of you are closed off.  It's not your fault.  You just haven't had the opportunity yet.  This makes it new and strange to you.  It's all of the great unknown and you're not comfortable in this different territory.

I don't know.  Maybe I'm way off of the mark.


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