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LaTigresse -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 10:12:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer La T, quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse But you see.........I respect very very few men. - From VageulyCurious's thread on Off Topic entitled 'Do you actually rather like men?': quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Oh wow......so many things I love about men. They are less offended by dirty jokes. They don't worry about getting dirty or breaking a nail, therefore will go hiking with me. They will help me haul cool rocks up out of a creek, off of a mountain, help me lift big ones, up into the truck bed......with minimal pissing and moaning. Most of them 'get' my thing with cool cars. 'Cool' being subjective. We can get mad as hell, yell, slam things, cuss at one another....and then get over it with zero left over baggage or bullshit. They will watch boxing with me and actually enjoy it. They look good in a really nice suit. They are good for going on road trips with. Don't feel a burning need to talk all the damned time. Don't get all emotional and wonky about the need for 'alone time'. Oh I could go on and on. Most of my favourite people are men! I'm just wondering, would it be fair to say that your feelings about men are somewhat on the ambivalent side? Love, like.........does not necessarily go hand in hand with respect. There are people I respect, that I do not necessarily love or like and visa versa. I may even respect certain facets of a person's personality and have no respect for others. Example........I like the man that owns the company I work for, but I do not respect him. I love my father, but I definitely do not respect him.

heartcream -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 10:49:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Oh wow......so many things I love about men. They are less offended by dirty jokes. They don't worry about getting dirty or breaking a nail, therefore will go hiking with me. They will help me haul cool rocks up out of a creek, off of a mountain, help me lift big ones, up into the truck bed......with minimal pissing and moaning. Most of them 'get' my thing with cool cars. 'Cool' being subjective. We can get mad as hell, yell, slam things, cuss at one another....and then get over it with zero left over baggage or bullshit. They will watch boxing with me and actually enjoy it. They look good in a really nice suit. They are good for going on road trips with. Don't feel a burning need to talk all the damned time. Don't get all emotional and wonky about the need for 'alone time'. Oh I could go on and on. Most of my favourite people are men! Hmmm... I am not offended by dirty jokes. Timing is a factor. I have met plenty of men who are offended though. I like getting dirty and have no nails but breaking them does suck if it hurts. I have met men who wont get dirty. I like hiking. I have met men who hate hiking. I was speaking to one last week in fact. I could work out more to collect rocks but you should see me haul rocks if I am around them. I might piss and moan though. I like cool cars, T-birds, mustangs and many others. I can blow up, lose my mind, cuss and yell. I wish I would do that except in private all alone but it happens time to time. I have seen men hold a grudge, be an annoying wad about stuff. I think men carry bunches of luggage and we all have our ways of hiding/dealing with it. I dont care about boxing. I love road trips, I look good in a suit. I get emotional about all sorts of things but dont see that as a bad thing. I know so many whiny ass men who get "all emotional" about alone time and be quite rude about it. Lots of men look stupid in a suit and wont help a person out to save their lives, wouldnt help me lift a rock or go with me, or understand the fascination with them. I dont think it is a girl/guy thing a lot of time but more of a cool/not so cool person thing. I dig men and I dig women. Whiny ass people are in both genders. A guy/girl can also be "cool" but still be a douchebag. The only thing in your list I didnt click with was boxing so I am checking to see if I have a penis afterall.

PeonForHer -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 11:23:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Love, like.........does not necessarily go hand in hand with respect. Feck! I didn't think anyone could have love without respect. Well, each to his or her own.

LaTigresse -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 11:58:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Love, like.........does not necessarily go hand in hand with respect. Feck! I didn't think anyone could have love without respect. Well, each to his or her own. There are millions of people in our prison system, locked up for doing stupid and/or really terrible things. I would say a fair number of them have someone that loves them dearly. I would say that less of them have someone that holds them in high regard, that has a lot of respect for the human being they are and how they've lived their life.

LaTigresse -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:01:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heartcream quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Oh wow......so many things I love about men. They are less offended by dirty jokes. They don't worry about getting dirty or breaking a nail, therefore will go hiking with me. They will help me haul cool rocks up out of a creek, off of a mountain, help me lift big ones, up into the truck bed......with minimal pissing and moaning. Most of them 'get' my thing with cool cars. 'Cool' being subjective. We can get mad as hell, yell, slam things, cuss at one another....and then get over it with zero left over baggage or bullshit. They will watch boxing with me and actually enjoy it. They look good in a really nice suit. They are good for going on road trips with. Don't feel a burning need to talk all the damned time. Don't get all emotional and wonky about the need for 'alone time'. Oh I could go on and on. Most of my favourite people are men! Hmmm... I am not offended by dirty jokes. Timing is a factor. I have met plenty of men who are offended though. I like getting dirty and have no nails but breaking them does suck if it hurts. I have met men who wont get dirty. I like hiking. I have met men who hate hiking. I was speaking to one last week in fact. I could work out more to collect rocks but you should see me haul rocks if I am around them. I might piss and moan though. I like cool cars, T-birds, mustangs and many others. I can blow up, lose my mind, cuss and yell. I wish I would do that except in private all alone but it happens time to time. I have seen men hold a grudge, be an annoying wad about stuff. I think men carry bunches of luggage and we all have our ways of hiding/dealing with it. I dont care about boxing. I love road trips, I look good in a suit. I get emotional about all sorts of things but dont see that as a bad thing. I know so many whiny ass men who get "all emotional" about alone time and be quite rude about it. Lots of men look stupid in a suit and wont help a person out to save their lives, wouldnt help me lift a rock or go with me, or understand the fascination with them. I dont think it is a girl/guy thing a lot of time but more of a cool/not so cool person thing. I dig men and I dig women. Whiny ass people are in both genders. A guy/girl can also be "cool" but still be a douchebag. The only thing in your list I didnt click with was boxing so I am checking to see if I have a penis afterall. Dats cuz you are uberly awesome. Has nothing to do with whether you have a penis or not. You be you!

PetiteOralSub -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:05:09 PM)
I am a fairly empathetic person, I have no contempt, but I also have no real understanding of certain gender\role\orientation combinations. I also don't expect those who are not of a certain gender\role\orientation to understand another's, and it is imho disrespectful for a straight to think they understand gay, etcetera. Every human brain is unique. and valid. all humans exist for a reason. even trolls and sociopaths have a right to exist for as long as it takes me to kill them all.

a1111 -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:12:16 PM)
I'd say I don't think it's natural. Any male who submits to such an extent loses part of himself and his pride. In some ways it's easier and can feel good too, to be that way but it's definitely the weaker option and not the way to be a man, I'd say any male who has pride in being so submissive is way out of touch with himself or lying.

LaTigresse -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:17:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: a1111 I'd say I don't think it's natural. Any male who submits to such an extent loses part of himself and his pride. In some ways it's easier and can feel good too, to be that way but it's definitely the weaker option and not the way to be a man, I'd say any male who has pride in being so submissive is way out of touch with himself or lying. You must not like yourself very much.

a1111 -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:20:30 PM)
I'm not comfortable with it no, I deal with it but it has taken a lot away from me confidence and pride wise definetly

myotherself -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:21:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse You must not like yourself very much. I agree, LaT. As the poster is a male sub, I find it rather sad that he feels this way.

a1111 -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:25:55 PM)
I'd never abuse anyone over it but I honestly think any sub male deep down will feel something similar I'm a man I want to feel like one, all men do, just this takes that away from you but it's not like it can be cured as far as I know.

LaTigresse -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:30:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: a1111 I'm not comfortable with it no, I deal with it but it has taken a lot away from me confidence and pride wise definetly Stick around. There are some really fabulous submissive men here. Peon is one of them. I am sure that, culturally, many submissive men have it damned tough. It would be excellent for you, if you could get to know some of these guys and understand that there is nothing 'weak' about their preferred relationship style. I think for many men, it actually takes great strength and courage to live their lives in a way that is authentic to who they are, rather than miserably, trying to be some cultural 'norm'. In many ways being a 'dominant male' is the easy road. Being authentically YOU is, in my eyes, something to be proud of. Fuck what the unenlightened 'them' thinks.

TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:30:59 PM)
Life is an exercise in submission from the day you're born. Anyone who thinks there should be a loss of pride for taking the bottom position in a relationship is idiotic. Education, employment, etc... Subs subbing to subs.

myotherself -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:31:15 PM)
I would disagree, a1111. I know many male subs and those in relationships are happy. They tell us that these days women should be hard-hitting, go-getting gals. To show weakness is some kind of a crime against womankind. Does that make me feel bad about submitting to Master? Not a chance! You can still be dominant in your everyday life and have the release - and relief - of submitting to your loved one without feeling less of a man. Or less of a woman. As you grow older you will realise that 'manliness' comes from having the courage to follow your path to happiness rather than conform, lemming-like, to the norms created by guys who may not have your inner strength.

a1111 -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:32:47 PM)
Thanks latigresse, you seem a nice woman but I dont think it is the real me, I think it's more to do with how iwas brought up, I did go to see a therapist and she just k ind of said Id have to accept it which I was gutted about really.

heartcream -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:37:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PetiteOralSub I am a fairly empathetic person, I have no contempt, but I also have no real understanding of certain gender\role\orientation combinations. I also don't expect those who are not of a certain gender\role\orientation to understand another's, and it is imho disrespectful for a straight to think they understand gay, etcetera. Every human brain is unique. and valid. all humans exist for a reason. even trolls and sociopaths have a right to exist for as long as it takes me to kill them all. I am not gay but that certainly does not mean I have no ability to understand a gay person. It is hardly disrespectful for being able to understand my fellow man/woman. You say you have no contempt and you are a fairly emphatic person but your post smacks otherwise. Nice crotch, thanks for showing it to me btw.

LaTigresse -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:38:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: a1111 Thanks latigresse, you seem a nice woman but I dont think it is the real me, I think it's more to do with how iwas brought up, I did go to see a therapist and she just k ind of said Id have to accept it which I was gutted about really. You are welcome and trust me, there are MANY people that would argue the point of how nice I really am. I simply see a lot of pain through your words and I seriously believe that getting to know some other men that identify as submissive would be of great help to you.

Awareness -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:38:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: a1111 I'd never abuse anyone over it but I honestly think any sub male deep down will feel something similar I'm a man I want to feel like one, all men do, just this takes that away from you but it's not like it can be cured as far as I know. Barring certain genetic anomalies which may totally screw with your hormones, it can. But the road is long and difficult. And you'll never get such advice in a place like this which is dominated by self-interest.

LaTigresse -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 12:39:49 PM)
Oh yeah......an anonymous man being happy in his submission, or not, does a lot for ME!!!! [:D]

Awareness -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (5/18/2011 1:14:16 PM)
Hmmm. Still have a few things to learn about yourself by the looks of it.

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