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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 12:58:11 AM   
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Most people have contempt for pedophiliacs, does that mean that they necessarily fear and misunderstand him?

Yes, I think fear is definitely involved.
The idea that someone can look and act like everyone else, yet be a pedophile preying on innocent children is frikkin scary, even to those who don't have children.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 4:44:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		  Hmmm, yes I thought as much.  I'm afraid this is kind of where the rubber hits the road.  While throwing a tantrum may be quintessentially feminine, claims of strength and dominance are of little significance when put up against the need to demonstrate attributes instead of simply claiming them.

You lack self-control, insight and the ability to reason.  And you think this charade of dominance you attempt is convincing?  Try actually gaining the character attributes you're claiming to possess instead of merely aping them.

Nice ad hominem, by the way.  Pity it can't save you.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 7:31:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Awareness

  Hmmm, yes I thought as much.  I'm afraid this is kind of where the rubber hits the road.  While throwing a tantrum may be quintessentially feminine, claims of strength and dominance are of little significance when put up against the need to demonstrate attributes instead of simply claiming them.

You lack self-control, insight and the ability to reason.  And you think this charade of dominance you attempt is convincing?  Try actually gaining the character attributes you're claiming to possess instead of merely aping them.

Nice ad hominem, by the way.  Pity it can't save you.




You have simply GOT to be a far right repub politician. You've got the dance down perfectly.

What guys like you and arty don't realize is that most of us laugh at you and your ridiculous dance. It is so obviously fear driven. Self esteem as a man, terrified of what you simply haven't the ability to comprehend. Angrily spouting the same old venom. Reminds me of a cornered rabid cat.

The reality is that there is more that is unnatural to all of us than is natural. I do not find the attraction to 99% of the male population natural. I do not find the thrill of a great deal of kinky activities natural. I certain cannot imagine submitting to a man natural or thrilling to ME. Even imagining it make my stomach queasy in a bad way. It is unnatural to ME. What guys like you don't get, what you cannot get your brain out of your little self created box to see, is that just because YOUR natural isn't natural for everyone else, does not mean it is invalid. Putzes like you, try to stomp around demanding that your way is the only way. Rabidly arguing that because A agrees with you and that Z agrees with you, B through Y must also agree with you........just because.

Life would be a lot more peaceful for everyone if we all learned to accept that what is natural for us, is not necessarily natural for everyone or even anyone, else.

I believe we all need to look within and find the core of what is natural for us. Live that honestly, embrace it passionately. But also celebrate what is natural and honest for others.......even if it does not directly fit into our personal box of happiness.

Seriously, what would it hurt? How am I hurt, what in my life could possibly be threatened by accepting and appreciating a sucessful M/f M/s relationship? The reality, nothing. Not a god damned thing. If I keep my mind open, I can even learn from them. There are people on this site that live sucessful relationships, and have for many years, that are not relationships I could ever emulate because it would not be me living MY life. But I can learn from aspects of their relationship. Bita comes to mind. Her writing, when I read it several years ago, gave me wonderful insight into the slave mindset. Knight of Mists, oh my god a dominant man!!! How could I possibly learn from him??? I have also learned from his writing, his slaves' writings......yet their dynamic is not my ideal. Also consider LadyPact and her family. SouthernComfort and Otters. These are just a few sucessful relationships that do not fit MY ideal, but have relationships I admire and appreciate.

If I had the mindset of several on this thread, I should not be able to learn from, or appreciate the sucess of these relationships. But I do. There is no way I would ever dream of demeaning the people in these relationships.

Only a fool will hold in contempt, a person of either gender, who is dedicated to living their life honestly, being true to their own 'natural,' if they are not hurting others. It is one thing to say, 'I don't understand that." on a personal level. Just as I don't understand the burning need to submit to a strong man. But it is an entirely different thing to demean or treat with contempt. That only shows personal insecurity and a great deal of weakness.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 7:40:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Only a fool will hold in contempt, a person of either gender, who is dedicated to living their life honestly, being true to their own 'natural,' if they are not hurting others. It is one thing to say, 'I don't understand that." on a personal level. Just as I don't understand the burning need to submit to a strong man. But it is an entirely different thing to demean or treat with contempt. That only shows personal insecurity and a great deal of weakness.


This.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 9:11:43 AM   
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Hey, I know I'm not "most dominant men" but I have a hard time imagining a more entertaining and enlightening evening than one spent over a glass or two of wine with our very own LadyPact.
That's her picture in the dictionary next to both the entries on "Smoking Hot" and "Wisdom" you know.


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i had one of those dictionaries when i was three, i don't remember a picture of a wise and smoking hot lady

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 11:17:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Awareness

You lack self-control, insight and the ability to reason.


Oh and add projection on to that list of psych terms that apply to you, too. classic case.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 12:03:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Only a fool will hold in contempt, a person of either gender, who is dedicated to living their life honestly, being true to their own 'natural,' if they are not hurting others. It is one thing to say, 'I don't understand that." on a personal level. Just as I don't understand the burning need to submit to a strong man. But it is an entirely different thing to demean or treat with contempt. That only shows personal insecurity and a great deal of weakness.


This.


Yes. This.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 12:15:48 PM   
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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 1:35:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		First, my apologies for even jumping in here as this question was directed to male Doms, regarding heterosexual male submissives. Obviously i am neither.

May i say as a gay submissive, i have never felt i was taking a feminine role. i assume a submissive role based on a power exchange. i consider myself male

i have also submitted to female doms so do have experience from that point of view. i have been to events where men are submitting to females, including myself kneeling before a MISTRESS. Where i am enjoying the power aspect of ths situation i am sure the men are enjoying the sexual aspect of it.

i have also been to events where there were male doms and their male submissives. From my eperiences with both (and this is strictly from the point of view of my experiences), gay MASTERS tend to treat male slaves very differently than females treat their slaves. Female doms tend to belittle their slaves more, make fun of them, and sometimes make them perfom tricks like trained puppies. i do not see that as much from male doms who tend to eye subs as existing , yes to submit, yes to serve, yes to provide amusement but not in a mocking silly way but as a practical and useful object.

i have also been fortunate enough to serve some great straight male doms. These instances were purely about submission. As a gay sub before a heterosexual male, it is a scene of pure power as sex is completely off the table. i have never been belittled or made fun of by straight dominants

IF male doms thing of me as less of a man,, both becasue i am submissive and gay, well they have a right to their opinion. If they see straight subs also as less, again they are entitled to that opinion. It takes a lot of strength to submit whether gay or straight and i know some very strong, masculine straight subs who just "enjoy" that role

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 1:41:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		TY for your comments, I find your views are always based on real life experience, and I like that.

Please don't worry about the forum title, your inputs are always welcome, at least to me.




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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 2:10:25 PM   
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a accomplished dancer?!? i'll go 52 goats. hell, i'll even throw in a slightly used sheep!

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 2:40:05 PM   
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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 2:55:25 PM   
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ask her, maybe your dream will come true

Rest assured, if I'm ever going to be in her neck of the woods, I will indeed ask her. I have a pretty long CM-have-a-drink-with list should I ever find myself in a position to do some traveling again.

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i had one of those dictionaries when i was three, i don't remember a picture of a wise and smoking hot lady
You had the UK edition.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 5:09:10 PM   
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You have simply GOT to be a far right repub politician. You've got the dance down perfectly.
  Don't be foolish.  First off, I'm not naive enough to engage in the ridiculous chimera of political debate you guys have got going on there.  You're not going to aid your understanding by trying to put me inside some neat little box you've constructed inside your head.  I find much of the American political landscape to be corrupt, dishonest and manipulative of a constituency who is too stupid to stop sniping at each other long enough to actually turn around and hold their leaders responsible for their actions - but I digress.

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What guys like you and arty don't realize is that most of us laugh at you and your ridiculous dance. It is so obviously fear driven. Self esteem as a man, terrified of what you simply haven't the ability to comprehend. Angrily spouting the same old venom. Reminds me of a cornered rabid cat.
  Oh no!  Laughter!  However shall I survive this brutal assault! 

Survey the contents of this thread and then decide who's driven by fear.  Asked for input on a thread I gave it.  It's only those too weak to tolerate a dissenting opinion who are lashing out.  And you have no idea what I comprehend.  My world-view is simply different to yours.

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The reality is that there is more that is unnatural to all of us than is natural.
  I haven't said a word about anything being natural or unnatural.  I have no idea why you're bringing it up now.

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Life would be a lot more peaceful for everyone if we all learned to accept that what is natural for us, is not necessarily natural for everyone or even anyone, else.
  Still not sure why you're harping on the natural and unnatural.

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I believe we all need to look within and find the core of what is natural for us. Live that honestly, embrace it passionately. But also celebrate what is natural and honest for others.......even if it does not directly fit into our personal box of happiness.
  Enough already with the natural!

To be honest, that last statement of yours is utter cobblers.  No doubt a paedophile looks into the core of what's natural for them and embraces it, but there are very good reasons for them to do otherwise.  Your statement presupposes that the highest good is essentially doing whatever we feel like - irrespective of the notion that we may be sick, damaged or simply stagnating in a dark place of our own making.

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There are people on this site that live sucessful relationships, and have for many years, that are not relationships I could ever emulate because it would not be me living MY life. But I can learn from aspects of their relationship.
  It's possible, but unlikely.  One of the oddities you'll notice in a place like this is that people loose all perspective when they form alliances.  Their friends can, with impunity, engage in the same behaviour which newcomers are condemned for.  Advocating the wonder of a friend's relationship based upon their own testimony of same is kind of like extolling the virtues of a movie based upon the poster.  You do so, simply because you like them.


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Only a fool will hold in contempt, a person of either gender, who is dedicated to living their life honestly, being true to their own 'natural,' if they are not hurting others. It is one thing to say, 'I don't understand that." on a personal level. Just as I don't understand the burning need to submit to a strong man. But it is an entirely different thing to demean or treat with contempt. That only shows personal insecurity and a great deal of weakness.
  What on earth makes you think you can decide that someone is living their life honestly?  Do they get a label on their username?  Perhaps they're simply running away from the reality of the world.  Perhaps those with insight can spot the inconsistencies in their behaviour which demonstrate they're not living their life honestly.  Perhaps they're telegraphing their internal state with what they say and do.

Perhaps some Dommes who can't tolerate a dissenting opinion are telegraphing their weakness.  Something which is almost inevitable, hence why I suggested the OP let the question go now that his curiousity has been satisfied.  Intellectual honesty is a rare commodity at the best of times, but there's not exactly a surfeit of it in this place.  Frankly, given the poor standard of attempted debate in this thread, I think the question of "how many goats" is rapidly becoming the more well-contested notion.


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 4/30/2011 5:45:32 PM   
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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/1/2011 3:10:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig
Rest assured, if I'm ever going to be in her neck of the woods, I will indeed ask her. I have a pretty long CM-have-a-drink-with list should I ever find myself in a position to do some traveling again.


in conversation sometimes i have trouble following a lead,
something i do not suffer on the dancefloor...
thank you for persisting Arpig
it is wonderful that you might have the night of your life with ladyPact sometime...
i however shall have to keep my distance...
you see LP holds me in contempt...
she thinks i have no quality- like yesterday's trash
i do not think she thinks this of all female submissives though...


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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/1/2011 5:55:12 AM   
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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/1/2011 8:32:16 AM   
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contempt is contempt... apparently there must be some jealousy and fear involved

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/1/2011 9:14:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Although I will probably regret this, I am going to comment. First of all I need to say, that contempt is much too strong a word for what I feel. I have absolutely no "odd" feeling about submissive men who submit to other men, that "feels" fine to me. However because of my beliefs/feelings as a submissive woman about desiring and wanting a strong Man to lead and submit to, it feels "off" to me when I see some submissive men who submit to women. There are some that I can still see a sense of strength who choose to submit from a position of internal strength, and there are others who submit for an entirely different reason. The latter is what "feels" wrong or off to me. Now that I am typing, it may be just the position where someone submits from, because I don't seem to have a great deal of women who submit from a place of weakness and not of strength either.

Having said this, I am ready for the onslaught.

heartfelt

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 5/1/2011 9:14:28 AM   
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Will he suddenly reveal that my maleness correctly expressed in it's proper and natural dominate form is somehow unnatural
I fear not.


The word is dominant , Arturas. Jesus wept.


I wondered when someone would tell him that. I didn't because in HIS eyes I'm an inferior woman.

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None of these statements are true.

The correct adjective should have been dominative .
If the second comment was about me then it is also patently not true as anyone who has read my posts knows I do not consider the submissive an "inferior" in the context of not being as good or lower in value; I have specifically said so. The order of nature has nothing to do with being superior or inferior in that context.



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