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Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 1:09:43 AM   
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Every time I review this guy, I realize what a complete dupe I am for trying to explain anything to anybody.

In any event, keep in mind that this person passed away in '94, and most of the 'political' stuff crossed in his acts from '88 to '92.


Not that anything he said changed anything then, and even less effect would it have now ...

except for ever few of us.


Bill Hicks' war on war:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkZQ2Fx1j9E


Keep in mind all references to the 'Iraq war' are in occasion to to the '91 incidence, not the later one, so keep in mind that it's Bush I.


Bill Hicks' war on drugs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8lH3vWH18k&feature=related


If you delve further into it, dig out his war on the absurd media, however nested it may be in his various acts.








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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 1:43:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		J'ever see "Hitler Had The Right Idea" ? .

Of course there's Carlin. If there's a comedy heaven, you know they got a hell of an act.

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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 1:50:40 AM   
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I would never insult Lenny Bruce or George Carlin or Jonathan Winters by comparison with any other. The only thing in common is that they are too unique to compare.

I was hoping a few might actually watch some of the clips and comment on the content.


There is no one like him.






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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 3:19:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I said nothing to the contrary. In fact I liked those clips. In fact I might just have to build a Hicks collection.

Funny how they're all dying off. (JK, I know Carlin got old, I know what happened to Lenny I think)

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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 4:08:52 AM   
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I think one of the funniest moments in the first clip, the collection from various performances, and not even from Bill himself, is in the interview from the BBC special at ~ 6:15 where the woman interviewer who, as it turns out, finds issue with B. Hicks' presentation and what he has to say asks him "Do audiences get upset by what you say, I mean, in America anyway?"

That is priceless. Trying to dump her own obvious objection to what he is about off onto his American audience by way of some supposed less understanding and/or tolerance in that regard, so as to deflect her own inability and incapacity towards that end herself. As I say, priceless.


Not that I'm saying 'typical', or anything like that ...




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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 5:59:57 AM   
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His political commentary was not inspiring; he didn't say anything that could be considered to be groundbreaking.

I was left with the impression of a man who was far too angry with the world for his own good, and he knew it.

A self-destructive person really.

5 out of 10 at the very best.



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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 6:11:44 AM   
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He was not the best book writer.


Clue ...


(maybe, the post wasn't about his book ...   )


shhh ....  [nobody tell him ...   ]










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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 6:15:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well that is your take on it NG. Not too long ago there was a discussion on here about employment and I noticed Brits were much more apt to "Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way", while US citizens expected more animousity, even though modulated somewhat. That respect of a different kind is expected there.

The fact is our forefathers were pissed when they left, and even though our traitors deal with your traitors, we have our own way. Different things are important to us, and when a guy like this speaks out and gets through the maze of mass media despite his political incorrectness, we like that.

It's different if it's just some guy on the internet or something, when someone get into the mainstream like that, even in a limited way, we cheer him on. That is our way. Well it is the way of our's who have been taught the US values correctly. We are a bunch of rebels, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 6:29:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

The fact is our forefathers were pissed when they left, and even though our traitors deal with your traitors, we have our own way. Different things are important to us, and when a guy like this speaks out and gets through the maze of mass media despite his political incorrectness, we like that.



T, what Bill Hicks had to say is stuff that a lot of people over here have thought through for themselves.

He seemed to me like a lad who was only just realising that governments don't always have your best interests at heart and he couldn't quite come to terms with it. He hadn't progressed to that point where you think: "oh well, there's always my private life in which I can count on the people around me".

Maybe scepticism just comes more natural to us.

Either way, gave my honest account to the OP - nothing enlightening at all in what he had to say - and the man was a bit of a wreck in his private life.

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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 6:33:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fine with me. If anyone doesn't expect everyone to agree, it's me.

But there's one thing you may not be taking into consideration. Over there you have alot better media and news sources available daily. You also have alot better education and less indoctrination. You also have alot less illusion.

The general public here needs things like this.

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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 6:41:19 AM   
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Over there you have alot better media



Possibly. But there is a lot of stuff that we don't get to know about over here. Your man Chomsky did a very good job of highlighting this.

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You also have alot better education



I would doubt that. Before the first world war, people were taught that war was was a sport and so people couldn't wait for a crack at the Germans. After two world wars that almost bankrupted the country, people were taught that war is a calamity to be avoided at all costs - and despite the latest efforts of the British Goverment to suggest otherwise, most people believe this.

The education system, any education system, teaches its people to conform to the establishment's needs.

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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 6:44:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

The fact is our forefathers were pissed when they left, and even though our traitors deal with your traitors, we have our own way. Different things are important to us, and when a guy like this speaks out and gets through the maze of mass media despite his political incorrectness, we like that.



T, what Bill Hicks had to say is stuff that a lot of people over here have thought through for themselves.

He seemed to me like a lad who was only just realising that governments don't always have your best interests at heart and he couldn't quite come to terms with it. He hadn't progressed to that point where you think: "oh well, there's always my private life in which I can count on the people around me".

Maybe scepticism just comes more natural to us.

Either way, gave my honest account to the OP - nothing enlightening at all in what he had to say - and the man was a bit of a wreck in his private life.


that describes most americans.

when they study the constitution they read as far as "we the people" then their brain falls over the edge of the cliff.

they never bothered to read that the legislatures have plenary authority in ALL the states to regulate taxation (and most other politics) solely by THEIR WHIM.

and "we the people" are deceived into thinking its the people when its not, its the gubberment and we get to watch the soap opera unfold as by-standers.

It has never been any different from the very beginning.



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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 7:32:33 AM   
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Fine with me. If anyone doesn't expect everyone to agree, it's me.

But there's one thing you may not be taking into consideration. Over there you have alot better media and news sources available daily. You also have alot better education and less indoctrination. You also have alot less illusion.

The general public here needs things like this.

T^T



I agree in general, Termy, but from what I see, the indoctrination in the US is successful enough from the media that less trouble is needed in that regard in the educational process.

Whereas in the UK, ...




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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 8:50:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

The fact is our forefathers were pissed when they left, and even though our traitors deal with your traitors, we have our own way. Different things are important to us, and when a guy like this speaks out and gets through the maze of mass media despite his political incorrectness, we like that.



T, what Bill Hicks had to say is stuff that a lot of people over here have thought through for themselves.

He seemed to me like a lad who was only just realising that governments don't always have your best interests at heart and he couldn't quite come to terms with it. He hadn't progressed to that point where you think: "oh well, there's always my private life in which I can count on the people around me".

Maybe scepticism just comes more natural to us.

Either way, gave my honest account to the OP - nothing enlightening at all in what he had to say - and the man was a bit of a wreck in his private life.



The last remark indicates the inherent "not invented here" attitude still remaining from the colonial/empire days of spreading the gospel and blessing the world with the superior culture and way of thinking, the personal snark there being all that is left to that purpose now.

What Bill Hicks had to say was thought through by a lot more people in the US than anywhere else at the time, I assure you, especially for those who don't take the media at face value, and especially in regards to reportage of the actual mindset of many in this country. When are you going to ever get it? The media's job is not to accurately report what everyday people think. Their ongoing job is to tell us what to think, and every device available to them for that purpose will be invoked, especially at times like that, for other gullible folks to read as they will.

The media report what they want us to think.

Let that sink in.


Nothing was 'new' to Hicks about how governments operate, he could see through BS from birth. I know the type, suffice to say. He never presented any new facts, he was not a reporter. He just read the everyday newspapers like the rest of us, and anything in the way of 'dirt' was already known to most all,  here at least. What he was doing was presenting the same news with actual logical consequences left intact, as opposed to being shoved aside by the media.

And here is where you show inadequacy to the task entirely; his commentary was as much or more a diatribe against the media as towards government. They are the ones who present all this crap with a straight face. And yes, that even includes the BBC, if themselves not quite as good at the melodrama as US media.






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RE: Bill Hicks - 4/27/2011 9:06:53 AM   
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The education system, any education system, teaches its people to conform to the establishment's needs.


Bingo.

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