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can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 2:28:09 PM

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I think not, a true sub became submissive by nature before they were 6. As a Dom/Master I can only train a sub how I wish her to be.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 2:37:39 PM

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Meh. you can teach a sub to be a sub, it is no different than teaching a dog to fetch.

The issue arises when they determine if that will meet their image of how their life is, kinda thingie.

I mean, when the cops pull you over, don't even you say, 'Your goddamn right I drank a fuckin quart of jack, sir, I was just gettin ready to go out, when you stopped me.'

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 2:47:06 PM

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With the right motivation, one can teach anyone to be darn near anything. Conditioned resonse and all that...

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 3:00:34 PM

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With the right motivation, one can teach anyone to be darn near anything. Conditioned resonse and all that...

I am gonna teach you to spell, where is my cattle prod......?

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 3:01:52 PM

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Dang... it being before 7 a.m. when I made that post... sans coffee... *sigh*... you are such a tsk master Ron!
(word play is on purpose)

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 3:10:38 PM

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I think not, a true sub became submissive by nature before they were 6. As a Dom/Master I can only train a sub how I wish her to be.

1. Most fem subs I know started feeling those feelings around puberty. Fetishes, for bondage, spanking, etc., sometimes started earlier, but that is not the same as a desire to submit.

2. I doubt it is possible to teach someone who knows everything how to be more dominant. Your most recent journal entry, and the tone of your profile, indicate you possess a leadership weakness. Unless women you meet in real life are soaking their undies until they are near you again, your sex appeal needs work. I doubt you will agree with me though.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 4:01:17 PM

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no one had to teach me to become weak in the knees, wet between my legs and have my toes curl when faced with true dominance. i have had to be seduced, lulled, coaxed, fucked and beaten into accepting my submissive side-which seemed necessary before i was able to express it in any manner other than sexual....

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 4:34:46 PM

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I think not, a true sub became submissive by nature before they were 6. As a Dom/Master I can only train a sub how I wish her to be.

I'd have to know what, exactly, you mean by "a submissive" and "to submit". In my mind this is a non-starter since submission = obedience to me and "a submissive" is "someone who submits". I can't imagine it being all that incomprehensible to say "OK" when someone else says "do this".

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 6:16:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Masterand9k
Never mind.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 6:20:52 PM

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Yes i believe you can.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/27/2011 6:30:20 PM

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I'm a true sub to him, to you I would laugh in your face OP.
Maybe you need to understand the difference between submitting and being broken down and unable to choose to submit?

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/28/2011 4:37:03 AM

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I think your question is more 'can you teach a nilla to be a sub' so I'm going to answer that. Hopefully my guess hits the mark.

I think perhaps you can train them to behave like a sub, but tabula rasa was disproven long ago - we're all born with propensities, and you can only take someone so far from them. I have on 2 occasions conditioned nillas to respond to commands and generally comport themselves according to my wishes, but they revert to normalcy immediately upon exiting my presence. It isn't so much that I've made them submissive as that I've made them think and act like a submissive under the proper circumstances.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/28/2011 5:03:41 AM

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can you teach a sub to be a sub ORIGINAL: Masterand9k

Its this kind of lack of language clarity that makes my head hurt sometimes.

Can you teach a sub to be a sub? You don't have to, he/she is already a sub. You can train a sub to be *your* slave.

"a true sub became submissive by nature before they were 6"

What is a "true" sub? That definition is surely going to vary with the individual, which is why it is, more or less, rendered worthless as a definition.

What do you mean submissive by nature? Sexually submissive or submissive in personality? There are many who are sexually submissive w/o being submissive in personality, but choose to submit to the right dominant. Quite often, this does not make them less submissive, some of the most sub people I know submit to one person only.

I have said this before, but it bears repeating, you don't "find" a great s-type, you "make" one. That takes love, care, trust and understanding, in my never humble opinion. The process cannot be rushed b/c someone thinks they need an "insta-sub."

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/28/2011 6:49:24 AM

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I think not, a true sub became submissive by nature before they were 6. As a Dom/Master I can only train a sub how I wish her to be.

Cool story bro. What was your motivation for posting this? If you're trying to start a discussion then terse statements of fact aren't the most fruitful approach. Ever seen Monty Python's Argument Clinic? "Submission can't be taught." "Yes it can." "Cannot." "Can too." Well this is fun. Wheeeeeeee!

Did someone disappoint you and you want to talk about it? If so, I'm here for ya man. Hug it out.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/28/2011 7:19:42 AM

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If you're trying to start a discussion then terse statements of fact aren't the most fruitful approach.

This is true, but in what way has your flippancy contributed to the discussion, one might ask, no?

I cannot answer the question as it is nonsensical. It is asking if a dog can be trained to be a dog. Submission is a deeper thing than mere obedience, it is in the state of mind. It is in the desires of the submissive to submit, to put themselves beneath the control of another. One can be taught or trained to behave in any manner, but one's desires cannot be thus trained.

Be at peace
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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/28/2011 7:21:46 AM

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This is true, but in what way has your flippancy contributed to the discussion, one might ask, no?

Teasing and mockery can be instructive. I'd like the OP to grow better at asking questions if he's interested in having a discussion. Perhaps my glib tone will sting him slightly and thus cause him to reevaluate his rhetorical skills and thus make the world a bit better place. :)

Besides, I gotta be me.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/28/2011 7:53:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: Masterand9k
I think not, a true sub became submissive by nature before they were 6. As a Dom/Master I can only train a sub how I wish her to be.

I'd have to know what, exactly, you mean by "a submissive" and "to submit". In my mind this is a non-starter since submission = obedience to me and "a submissive" is "someone who submits". I can't imagine it being all that incomprehensible to say "OK" when someone else says "do this".

I can't really see what difference it makes to have *a* submissive.....or to have someone that submits.

Jeff said...
...I can't imagine it being all that incomprehensible to say "OK" when someone else says "do this"...
...unquote.

and I agree......It's just not that difficult.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/28/2011 8:37:42 AM

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Doms rarely take teasing and mockery as instructive advice. He didn't ask a rhetorical question either. Though he did not say it in the best way what he did was ask a question then state his opinion. Leaving the rest to the opinions of others. To answer his question...yes you can train a sub to be sub. If you know the difference between a person with a submissive nature and someone of a submissive nature that is willing to submit themself to another person. There is a difference between the two things.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/28/2011 8:42:10 AM

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Doms rarely take teasing and mockery as instructive advice. He didn't ask a rhetorical question either.

There is a difference between "rhetoric" and "rhetorical questions."

I think it is awfully unfair to generalize about Doms that way, too. There are many Doms with healthy senses of humor, thick skin, and quick wits who enjoy the give and take of gentle mutual mockery! It's a big beautiful world full of all sorts of people, whether they call themselves Doms, subs, or switches!

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/28/2011 8:48:32 AM

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I think you can teach someone how to be submissive or what requirements you need, as in train or mould someone but if it's not already latent you might not get very far!

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