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divi -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 1:39:34 PM)

I want to see the data on this. 



gothikbutterfly -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 1:44:35 PM)

Name me one person that really WANTS to be brutally attacked and raped. I know I didn't, especially with the threat of death to my family if I went to the police hanging over my head.



Palliata -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 1:45:57 PM)

I already linked to data. If you don't like my data, bring me some of your own as a counterpoint.



divi -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 1:46:18 PM)

Not sure who would.  IMO I think its pretty fucked up if you did enjoy it. 



gothikbutterfly -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 1:48:44 PM)

I was actually afraid, GENUINELY afraid. And it takes a lot to scare me, but the thought of my family coming to harm was TERRIFYING!



Ishtarr -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 1:54:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gothikbutterfly

Name me one person that really WANTS to be brutally attacked and raped. I know I didn't,


Me.

The first time I found sex actually enjoyable and achieved orgasm was during rape. Prior to that, sex had always been boring and uninspiring.
Because of this, I put my self in very high risk situations several times after that.

It wasn't until a number of years later that I figured out that fear in and of itself is enough for me to experience sexual gratification, and that I stopped putting myself in such situations.

Again, don't assume that because you didn't, nobody did.
Not everybody on this planet is you.

Ishtar





gothikbutterfly -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 1:56:17 PM)

I meant that nobody I know who is a rape victim, including myself, ever wanted to be raped.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 1:57:10 PM)

I think this topic could have some validity but let's not get too far off base here.

The OP in no way implied actual rape and rape fantasy were one and the same.

The OP did supply a link to an abstract of an article entitled "Sexual arousal and orgasm in subjects who experience forced or non-consensual sexual stimulation – a review."

"The review examines whether unsolicited or non-consensual sexual stimulation of either females or males can lead to unwanted sexual arousal or even to orgasm. The conclusion is that such scenarios can occur and that the induction of arousal and orgasm does not indicate that the subjects consented to the stimulation. A perpetrator’s defence simply built upon the fact that evidence of genital arousal or orgasm proves consent has no intrinsic validity and should be disregarded."

BTW: This is not new information.  Here's an interesting take on why:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/humannature/archive/2009/01/26/rape-fantasies-and-female-arousal.aspx

As to the "Black Bull," the idea comes from fantasy/fetish fulfillment. Bulls are noted for being extremely well endowed and having prodigious sexual energy (do we have no country folks here?). It is racist to think all black men are well hung and can screw all night, but that is often the fantasy -- that the black man is bigger and better than the white.

Though there are some white men who really go for black women, some white male subs who are looking specifically to serve a black domme or dom, the "Black Bull" appears to be a uniquely female fetish, except for the huge exception of the male sub cuck, they seem to always prefer a black man in the "starring" role.

Don't ask me why any of this is, these observations are based on my own personal experiences. YMMV







divi -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 1:59:29 PM)

I think this topic is more interesting then the OP's lol.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:03:46 PM)

Continuation of thread hi jack:

I agree, the whys and wherefores of people being aroused during actual rape is a topic that does have some merit.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled thread . . .



beltainefaerie -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:11:30 PM)

Rape produces tons of emotions and physical experiences. Some women shut down, others try to get into it (especially if it was date or spousal rape).  Some women react to the physical stimulation and some don't.  Some women try to counter the experience by becoming hyper sexual (essentially never saying no again, so it can't recur) and others withdraw completely.  Whatever reaction someone is having from rape is "normal" for them.  Counseling is pretty much always a better idea than going it alone.

Not sure about the OP's post, though.  I think that because of the wide range of human experiences, it isn't really possible to determine what makes a given situation hot for anyone.  Any time we are fetishizing race, it is going to seem racist, but it is a fantasy.  I don't think we need to tear it apart to much as long as everyone is happy to be participating.  Just because someone is having these fantasies doesn't mean they are going to treat their black co-worker any differently or whatnot. 



Palliata -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:11:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: divi

I think this topic is more interesting then the OP's lol.




heh. True.



divi -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:16:01 PM)

So technically if the OP agrees that this thread isn't interesting its not a hijack [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m6.gif[/image]



NocturnalStalker -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:17:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ishtarr

quote:

ORIGINAL: gothikbutterfly

Name me one person that really WANTS to be brutally attacked and raped. I know I didn't,


Me.

The first time I found sex actually enjoyable and achieved orgasm was during rape. Prior to that, sex had always been boring and uninspiring.
Because of this, I put my self in very high risk situations several times after that.

It wasn't until a number of years later that I figured out that fear in and of itself is enough for me to experience sexual gratification, and that I stopped putting myself in such situations.

Again, don't assume that because you didn't, nobody did.
Not everybody on this planet is you.

Ishtar





Anybody wanna switch seats?



divi -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:19:14 PM)

No thanks.  I'll stand. 



gothikbutterfly -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:19:26 PM)

Seems like I stirred up a hornet's nest! [:-]



VideoAdminTheta -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:22:09 PM)

This is the topic. The topic is not rape or rape fantasies. If you wish to discuss these topics, please start your own thread. Let's get back to the original topic please.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Palliata

Ok this came to mind from the other thread on black dominants.

Why is it that black tops, especially service tops, are so fetishized? You see huge numbers of white cuckold fantasies which include (usually muscular, violent, well-endowed) black men using and abusing an attached white woman. They're rarely characterized beyond "masculine and condescending" and don't really exist as living, breathing human beings, but instead as figureheads for white desire. I've never seen the reverse (white guy stealing black girl), and I've never seen it go interracial in another direction (IE muscular, violent, well-endowed latino/asian/etc.)

I almost wonder if it isn't that white men feel more emasculated watching their woman with a black guy because they think of blacks as inferior (subconsciously, perhaps) and therefore being cuckolded by one is even more humiliating... I hate to accuse an entire segment of the population of racism, but that's the Occam's Razor answer here, to my eye.

Someone in the last thread suggested it was simply the social taboo on interracial relationships, but those same taboos exist for whites involving themselves with latinos and, as mentioned, I've never seen that pop up in cuck fantasy.

Anyone have thoughts on that?




RedMagic1 -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:30:01 PM)

I got a request a couple years ago to re enact a friend's rape. As in, do it exactly the way she had it done to her nonconsensually. Only request from a woman that has ever freaked me out. I asked some "top" bdsm people about this, and it is not uncommon. People want to gain control over the event by doing it in an atmosphere of trust.

Regarding black bulls: there are porn sites where for example the black woman gets pissed at her black boyfriend, so she has revenge sex with white guys. I prefer dark skinned women in general, so I have hunted for "reverse" interracial porn. I attribute the black bull phenomenon to the extreme social and political conservatism of men who identify as cucks. You can see it on the politics and religion board here, for example. It is politically impossible to get funding for a study on a topic like this, of course, so anecdotes are all we have.



RedMagic1 -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:31:25 PM)

Sorry Theta, didn't see your post.



domiguy -> RE: Racism and the 'black bull' (4/29/2011 2:59:12 PM)

I am glad the topic is no longer about enjoying rape.

I, too, often place myself in high risk situations...No rapey so far.

Me so bummed and horny.



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