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thegreymistress -> RE: Knowledge (5/10/2006 2:02:51 PM)

ty ron   *smiles warmly*




LadyHugs -> RE: Knowledge (5/10/2006 5:20:47 PM)

Dear CERCKL, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I make no "bones" about not knowing it all--I see no shame in saying that.  But, as another poster put it, so many have pride/ego and afraid of peer judgment that they don't wish to be honest that they're new or new at one thing/area but, very accomplished in other areas.  Every personal interaction I have with someone, it is a teaching/learning experience.  Not everybody can understand that teachers often come out as students; as students come out as better teachers.  Learning from each other is "life."  Regardless if learning directly and or indirectly.

Knowledge is power.  First hand experience is a better teacher, as it unfolds before you and all the things that create the 'cause' and 'effect' of the M/s, D/s and or S&M.

True, not everybody goes to the extent to medically justify for the techniques used.
Some, really don't think it is important.  But, really does skew the "safe" or "risk awareness" side of the lifestyle.  I would want to have more information/knowledge that I require; rather than not enough and have a problem from it.

I do believe, it is very important to gather as much information as possible; about the body/anatomy and effects from the opposite sex.  In an example, men cannot understand certain sensations that women feel in their bodies, in some genital areas as well as women do not understand the sensations that men have in their genitals.
I will add, that I was totally facinated by a man/medical doctor who gave me the story of how he felt from an arousal to an orgasm, all the sensations from A-Z.  For women, how the body cycles effects sensitivies and different responses.  Yes, we know how to get orgasms but--the point is, learning what sensations the other has beyond the surface.

I do agree, that anybody should be able to have explained, what a certain tool, such as a flogger will do, how the body registers it, handles it and what dangers it may pose if not on certain areas that the BDSM community at large, deems safe and or reasonable. If individuals have health issues, it may give them a better understanding of the risks and make an informed choice and or request a modification.

I am thrilled, when a slave/submissive asks questions and asks for me to demonstrate first.  It means that they care enough about themselves to learn and make informed choices that involve their body. 




Padriag -> RE: Knowledge (5/10/2006 6:03:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Isn't it a shame all those other people are just ignorant players seeking kinky sex.  If only they could all be more like us.

I wouldn't call someone who just wants kinky sex ignorant (and didn't so don't go putting words in my mouth).  The only thing I think is a "shame" about those who just want kinky sex and nothing more are the ones who are dishonest about it.  Specifically those who claim to be slaves, submissives, dominants, etc. when in reality they're none of those things.  At most they're a sexual bottom or top.  There's nothing wrong with just wanting that, but they ought to be honest about it.




Padriag -> RE: Knowledge (5/10/2006 6:11:51 PM)

I'll disagree with one thing you said to make a point I think is important.

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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

I do believe, it is very important to gather as much information as possible; about the body/anatomy and effects from the opposite sex. 

It isn't necessary to learn everything possible.  It is (or should be) necessary to learn enough to do things safely.  There is a difference.  If we all waited until we knew everything possible about having sex, before having sex, none of us would ever have sex!  Its also not necessary to learn from the opposite sex, for a variety of reasons (for example, what does a lesbian care about the opposite sex and how would that benefit her?).  However, if you're going to swing a flogger or a whip, do rope bondage, try shibari, do electrical play, etc. have you learned enough to be safe?  Are you competent enough to handle the actvities you are planning or are you going beyond your capabilities.

For example, I can do basic shibari, I can tie a karuda fairly well (not all that quickly, but I get there) and then do some arm and leg restraints.  But there are still volumes I don't know about shibari.  So, I'm competent to do the basic things I know how to do, I can do that much safely.  If I started trying to do more advanced stuff, using pressure points and things, then I'm going beyond my ability, beyond what I'm competent with and I'm taking risks (specifically I'm taking a risk with another person, and if I do that without them being aware, I'm being unethical and stupid).

My point, to sum up, is that we don't need to know everything.  We do need to know enough to be competent at what we plan to do and we need to know what our own limitations are, that point where we are no longer competent.




CERCKL -> RE: Knowledge (5/10/2006 9:13:51 PM)

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My point, to sum up, is that we don't need to know everything.  We do need to know enough to be competent at what we plan to do and we need to know what our own limitations are, that point where we are no longer competent.

Which is all I was attempting to say in the first place...though sometimes extra knowledge can lead to other paths. As well as at times the more we learn, the more we might recognize that we don't know shit...

C




MasterBuckeye -> RE: Knowledge (5/16/2006 7:17:22 AM)

If I am going to guide someone's personal development; I need to have some understanding of them, as well as some basic understanding of the mind, perception, ability to learn, techniques to guide...as well as the subject itself.
If I am to be trusted, not only do I need to show that I am trustworthy, but I need to continuously learn, grow, develop myself before I can accept control from another...as well as I need to take responsibility of where I lack in knowledge, seek information, continue...


C

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Here's my 2 cents, I believe as a Master it is our responsibility to Educate as well as participate.  Once you have educated both of you, you will find that the gates of trust tend to open up easier.  I personally have started keeping a journal of the different things I have done, and plan to do, and then I research them more to make sure that I myself totally understand the "ins and outs" of the scene planned.  Master Buckeye




Estring -> RE: Knowledge (5/16/2006 5:28:45 PM)

You would think that would be the case, but common sense isn't any more or less prevalent in bdsm than in anything else.




CERCKL -> RE: Knowledge (5/16/2006 5:33:34 PM)

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You would think that would be the case, but common sense isn't any more or less prevalent in bdsm than in anything else.


D'oh...

I have to agree, was just putting out my own perspective and the fact that I believe for me to be effective in my relations, I need to be aware of my shortcomings as well as strengths and to be open to continuing to grow, learn, develop...


C




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