RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault

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Sanity -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 4:40:13 PM)
Next you and Luce will be arguing that it was her fault quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Lucy it is his gross misconceptions about 1.5 billion people that get me. I also take issue with her comment that she was unaware about Muslim men before she went to Egypt. This is a women who spent many years (At least nine) reporting from places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

domiguy -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 4:53:52 PM)
I agree with Sanity on this one. I am the first to criticize anyone that makes blatant racist or asinine statements about a culture or a group of people. But the hard line militant believers of Islam are out of their fucking minds. The woman was attacked by hundreds of men in an public environment. It is an incredibly fucked up situation. This does not happen here. We don't cut the fucking heads off of people we don't agree with. We don't stone women to death because they didn't marry the right person. we don't kill people if someone abroad burns a copy of the fucking bible. We are not the World's peace keepers nor should be their compass on morality. If you want to be treated like you belong on the World's stage or with human dignity then you have to act like you deserve it. Where is the outrage? Where were the people that should have been coming to her aid? If the Arab world wants to be considered as serious players in a World forum then it is high time that they come to grips with their radical and extreme fundamentalists. It is time for the Arab world to distance themselves from this type of behavior and put an end to the tyrannical and horrific behavior continually displayed by Muslim extremists. If they can't do it...Then fuck them and fuck them hard.

Lucylastic -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 4:58:34 PM)
Coming from someone who wants to defund PP I find that to be the height of ignorant conceit. because you dont grope/rape/punish a woman physically, you want to deny funding to an organisation that will eventually deny her access to low cost sexual heath care for a pap smear or a mammogram. and not just the right over her own body to control when she has children. That is really high regard for half of the population yeah western society,/christianity has it all just peachy

domiguy -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:00:00 PM)
How does unfunding planned parenthood have anything to do with Muslim assholes?

Lucylastic -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:05:43 PM)
Sanitys take on the level of regard for women in western society And just for the record, I would never and have never blamed a woman when she has been brutally raped and thats a cuntish thing to suggest Sanity...

domiguy -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:11:39 PM)
You see, he does that, for he is a cunt.

BonesFromAsh -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:21:56 PM)
I found NYTimes Opinion Page article and thought it might be of interest to the folks here...."Why We Need Women in War Zones" by Kim Barker quote: The CBS correspondent Lara Logan has broken that code of silence. She has covered some of the most dangerous stories in the world, and done a lot of brave things in her career. But her decision to go public earlier this week with her attack by a mob in Tahrir Square in Cairo was by far the bravest. Hospitalized for days, she is still recuperating from the attack, described by CBS as a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating. Several commentators have suggested that Ms. Logan was somehow at fault: because she’s pretty; because she decided to go into the crowd; because she’s a war junkie. This wasn’t her fault. It was the mob’s fault. This attack also had nothing to do with Islam. Sexual violence has always been a tool of war. Female reporters sometimes are just convenient. bolded font added by me ETA...According to the Ms. Barker, who is also a reporter in Islamic parts of the world, there's a code of silence around sexual assults. Maybe that's what needs to be addressed instead of blaming the supposed evils of Islam.

Lucylastic -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:31:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic snip In no way am I condoning what happened to her, in any way shape or form, and Im very very happy she is alive and relatively unhurt. To separate the crimes you are playing with a bag of bees. /snip As I said in post 14^^^^^^^^^^ I have never denied that womens rights are abysmal by some standards certainly (my own included), but also that western society still has a long way to go before it can claim superiority over anyone.

flcouple2009 -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:39:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy How does unfunding planned parenthood have anything to do with Muslim assholes? It has to do with Sanity's take. All Muslim men are assholes who attack, rape, mistreat women. He is not overly thrilled with having it pointed out that there are more than a few in Western Society who treat women in the same manner. The Planned Parent hood issue was used to point out to dear Sanity that not all attacks on women and their rights are of purely a physical nature. Men have acted like assholes towards women ever since the first caveman dragged one home by her hair. That includes men of all races, religions, etc.

FullCircle -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:45:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 Men have acted like assholes towards women ever since the first caveman dragged one home by her hair. That includes men of all races, religions, etc. Isn't that a myth? Besides cavemen had long hair also (no scissors in those days) which means there was probably equal opportunity pulling of the hair. How do people know that cavemen dragged women by their hair? Did they burry a time capsule detailing caveman customs?

Lucylastic -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:46:50 PM)
We watched carry on movies like every one else

jlf1961 -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:47:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Lucy it is his gross misconceptions about 1.5 billion people that get me. I also take issue with her comment that she was unaware about Muslim men before she went to Egypt. This is a women who spent many years (At least nine) reporting from places like Iraq and Afghanistan. The term you are looking for, since he is blaming religion for an act that is clearly against the commandments of that religion, is ISLAMOPHOBIA. This is a all too common phobia in the members of the right. He is going to ignore the fact that THOUSANDS of Christian Crusaders raped and murdered every woman of all religions at the fall of Jerusalem. He is going to ignore the simple fact that, if it was really that many men involved, she would be dead at most, at the very least still be in the hospital due to injuries received. I am not saying it did not happen, I am saying that the number involved was probably a lot less.

Sanity -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:51:42 PM)
No Luce, thats the direction you and Politesub were obviously headed. Shes a liar, she should have known better, blah blah blah. And no, PP is a separate thread, you only drag that in because you are desperate for a derail. Please stay on topic or start another thread quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Sanitys take on the level of regard for women in western society And just for the record, I would never and have never blamed a woman when she has been brutally raped and thats a cuntish thing to suggest Sanity...

Sanity -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:55:39 PM)
I am arguing no such thing, that argument is a strawman fallacy. And no, not all men are assholes who attack women... quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 It has to do with Sanity's take. All Muslim men are assholes who attack, rape, mistreat women. He is not overly thrilled with having it pointed out that there are more than a few in Western Society who treat women in the same manner. The Planned Parent hood issue was used to point out to dear Sanity that not all attacks on women and their rights are of purely a physical nature. Men have acted like assholes towards women ever since the first caveman dragged one home by her hair. That includes men of all races, religions, etc.

Lucylastic -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 5:59:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No Luce, thats the direction you and Politesub were obviously headed. Shes a liar, she should have known better, blah blah blah. {/quote] Where did I say anything of the sort???? please point it out to me, oh thats right, you cant, because I didnt, I said the very opposite in my first post on number 14 I dont need latin to tell your bullshit from fact

Sanity -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 6:01:29 PM)
Thats a twisted argument, its sort of like some of the apologists here wanting to blame Ms. Logan, calling her a liar and even alluding that it was her fault then blaming it on war instead, but the thing is this wasnt war, this event was a celebration. quote: ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh I found NYTimes Opinion Page article and thought it might be of interest to the folks here...."Why We Need Women in War Zones" by Kim Barker quote: The CBS correspondent Lara Logan has broken that code of silence. She has covered some of the most dangerous stories in the world, and done a lot of brave things in her career. But her decision to go public earlier this week with her attack by a mob in Tahrir Square in Cairo was by far the bravest. Hospitalized for days, she is still recuperating from the attack, described by CBS as a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating. Several commentators have suggested that Ms. Logan was somehow at fault: because she’s pretty; because she decided to go into the crowd; because she’s a war junkie. This wasn’t her fault. It was the mob’s fault. This attack also had nothing to do with Islam. Sexual violence has always been a tool of war. Female reporters sometimes are just convenient. bolded font added by me ETA...According to the Ms. Barker, who is also a reporter in Islamic parts of the world, there's a code of silence around sexual assults. Maybe that's what needs to be addressed instead of blaming the supposed evils of Islam.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 6:02:39 PM)
I try not to believe the worst stories I hear about Islam but if there is such a thing as “Islamophobia” (an excessive fear of) then there must also be “Islamophilia” (apologism). It's odd how people all over the place line up to defend Islam from any meaningful criticism. We have the view that she was somehow exaggerating which I find odious when many are supposed to have witnessed a savage assault. Those who defend Islam are relativists who minimise the differences between these societies by bring up the problems in Western society - no the West must be at least as bad in every respect! There can't be any meaningful similarity except perhaps with the more liberal Islamic societies like Turkey. Women are subjected to tyranny and the very people who should be outraged by this (left-wing feminists for example) relativise it: http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/953/a-feminist-duty quote: quote: ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh This attack also had nothing to do with Islam. Sexual violence has always been a tool of war. Female reporters sometimes are just convenient. bolded font added by me ETA...According to the Ms. Barker, who is also a reporter in Islamic parts of the world, there's a code of silence around sexual assults. Maybe that's what needs to be addressed instead of blaming the supposed evils of Islam. Quite true in times of conflict. Yet it wasn't exactly a conflict situation, more a time of celebration with the toppling of Mubarak. quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 He is going to ignore the fact that THOUSANDS of Christian Crusaders raped and murdered every woman of all religions at the fall of Jerusalem. He is going to ignore the simple fact that, if it was really that many men involved, she would be dead at most, at the very least still be in the hospital due to injuries received. I am not saying it did not happen, I am saying that the number involved was probably a lot less. Could you do me a solid and point me in the direction of the local Crusader enrollment office or wait... I think I heard that said group ceased to exist in the Medieval era? Oh and methinks she did go to hospital. Maybe its just me but perhaps her ability to do a head count was a little compromised at the time... Others attested at the time a mob rushed her.

Sanity -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 6:05:41 PM)
Really - I am ad hominem mad tonight? [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Wrong, you are straw-manning, and ad hominem mad tonite, and backpeddling so fast you are gonna disappear up your own arse no it wasn't a derail it was a contrast to your point. Just because you couldn't give an intelligent response doesn't mean I hijacked it or derailed it, I just pointed out your blatant hypocrisy and arrogance EOS

Sanity -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 6:09:09 PM)
Yes, she was hospitalized, and she is still going through the process of recovery quote: Could you do me a solid and point me in the direction of the local Crusader enrollment office or wait... I think I heard that said group ceased to exist in the Medieval era? Oh and methinks she did go to hospital. Maybe its just me but perhaps her ability to do a head count was a little compromised at the time... Others verified a mob rushed her.

FullCircle -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/29/2011 6:11:36 PM)
People take advantage of lawless situations. Looting etc. It's nothing new, unheard of or specific to that region. What does this event have to do with Islam??? Are we presuming we know the religious background of the 300 in question or just conveniently labelling them Muslim because it's a Muslim country? quote: After being rescued by a group of civilians and Egyptian soldiers, she was swiftly flown back to the United States. Must have been the Christians in the crowd that saved her...yep.

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