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Lucylastic -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 11:06:59 AM)
nope, Im talking about the rape of women, you wanna talk about the abuser and the courts, Why no comment to the 31 million women who will be raped in the next year in the US, how many more go unreported, where is the outcry? they may not end up killed or maimed any more physcially, but how many will get justice? I will talk about what I chose and while you may want to change the goalposts, Im not playing or shutting up.

maybemaybenot -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 11:15:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy One topic does not define the assholism that is the Middle Eastern Muslim. I think this is an important statement. For those who think that those of us who speak against the Middle East/Arab nations are anti Muslim/Islamic have their heads in their ass. Muslims live in many many countries and continents. There are many countries outside of the Middle Eastern Arab nations that have a Muslim majority and/or considered Muslim majority countries. The problems with rape, specifically, do not exist in those countries. Why ? Because they have laws and enforce those laws. mbmbn

TheHeretic -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 11:18:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Where are the people of the Middle East that are willing to say enough is fucking enough? Dead, imprisoned, or tharn.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 11:19:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot We humans are a culmination of many influences. Familial, societal,religous, economical etc. So to attribute a condition soley to being " human " doesn't make sense to me. The fact remains that the Middle East owns the worst record on rape. This isn't something I just jumped on the bandwagon about, or me being fashionable and following a fad. This has been one of my causes, so to speak, since 1981. No one called me names back then, they called me an activist. Many still do, but there is now an element, post 9/11, who chose to call me Islamaphobe, irresponsible etc. Seems to me it is fashionable to call into question the motives of people who have been working to improve the situation in the Middle East negative names, post 9/11. Funny how so many things changed that day. It isn't about hate, it's about recognizing a major problem. Some may use it for hate, but those people don't need me to post the facts on the problems of rape in the Middle East to do it, they have their own agenda. I agree and I don't understand why others on here make out it is a reason to hate this group of people. I don't think anyone on here said all Muslim males are rapists or that even Western culture is greatly superior in other respects. No one said rape wasn't a serious issue in the West but it hardly bares comparison with states and cultures that punish the victim legally. Neither did anyone say rape wasn't used by Christian troops in some conflict situations. The context of the discussion was civil society. I'm baffled by the notion that we are only really entitled to criticise the West. We should be able to criticise other religions, faiths, cultures just as much as we criticise ourselves. Clearly different cultures have different values but ultimately there can't really be different standards of wrong dependent upon which culture one lives as that is a thumbs down to the idea of universal humanity.

domiguy -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 11:26:37 AM)
Then I will be forced to rape you. Hopefully it will go unreported. It is fucking crazy to make a parallel about rape in this country and what transpires in the Middle East. Hold the fucking phone!!! 31 million women are going to be raped next year in the U.S.? Wow, that is a lot of rape!! We need to start exporting that shit, and pronto! That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. 31 million rapes.??? Fuck! How did I miss this? When did rape become our national past time? Fuck football, I am starting an indoor raping league. The Chicago Swallows will be the name of our team

heartcream -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 11:39:19 AM)
The problem too really does boil down to how women, some men, and of course children are treated, in this cuntry, in the USA, and all over the dang planet. Physical rape is disgusting and a hugely violent display of the underlying issues that are so age old we are almost numb to them. So many women and children are raped all over the planet and I would guess a small percentage is brought to trial and dealt with justice. Lucy is right though, that is not going to really help the Raped. It could aid as a kind of closure eventually but someone who has been violated undergoes a pretty terrible, traumatic and deep change. It is hell to climb out of it once it has happened. Rape victims can get better but it sucks ass to go through it as waaaaaay too many people could attest. I am not a fan of the cultures that are overtly more barbaric than ours at all, I hate the man dominated bs that prevails alllll over the place. Physical rape is horrid but so is all the daily barbs, stabs, jabs, being held back and basically told to shut up and take it sort of attitude that women endure all day every day every where. If this could change our dumb ass men would really grow. To sit on top of a woman is the wrong way around. Women are stronger than men because of a whole bunch of reasons but much of it is to do with the way men act and behave. Men acting out their deep seated feelings of inadequacy rather than simply face them causes things like freaking war on one end of the spectrum and all the way to the other end where women navigate men like an ocean storm. They teach themselves to read a man and approach him when the time is better than another. They learn how not to trip his switch so he doesnt go off in someway where he is so completely unreachable. The lists are endless and not pretty and most women know exactly how this goes down and way too few men give a shit. I hate the cultures that openly abuse their women and back themselves with so-called Law, it is wrong, wrong, wrong but so is all the insidious shit that goes on with almost any man and any woman. We hear women outcry but it is a treat if a man picks up the bullhorn, for sure mate!

Lucylastic -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 11:41:16 AM)
Oh Domi Domi Domi, if you dont know..how is some poor goat herder in sandstorm gofuckistan sposed to know or even care, until it affects them Simple point smewwwch Now I have fun to look forward to bored now bye

domiguy -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 11:48:43 AM)
Don't go...I want to learn more abut the 31 million rapes!!!...How does it break down by state? I would like to think that we might be the rape capital of the free world. I went to Chicago and all I got was raped.

juliaoceania -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 11:55:19 AM)
http://www.rainn.org/statistics

domiguy -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 12:07:03 PM)
Eeeeks! Itcan't be...we are 2.9 million rapes short! we are not meeting our potential rape output! I am just one man.

thompsonx -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 1:22:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Not because they are Islamic, but because she is liberal media. That has got to be one of the most idiotic things I've read here. Perhaps if you had followed this particular circumstance as it played out on the news you may have heard a few things that you may not know. Mubaric was still in power and had his goons all over town putting pressure on western journalists. At the time that this incident happened it was reported on npr that it was the government goons of mubaric who instigated this and it was mubaric's police who ignored the incident while it was in progress. This reporter was part of the western media which the mubaric forces looked upon as trouble makers and they did all they could to keep them confined to their hotels and to restrict their movements durring the uprising that eventually felled mubaric. The general concensus of this thread seems to be that this was anything but the mubaric forces targeting a high profile,female,attractive,western journalist.

Aneirin -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 1:49:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Not because they are Islamic, but because she is liberal media. That has got to be one of the most idiotic things I've read here. Perhaps if you had followed this particular circumstance as it played out on the news you may have heard a few things that you may not know. Mubaric was still in power and had his goons all over town putting pressure on western journalists. At the time that this incident happened it was reported on npr that it was the government goons of mubaric who instigated this and it was mubaric's police who ignored the incident while it was in progress. This reporter was part of the western media which the mubaric forces looked upon as trouble makers and they did all they could to keep them confined to their hotels and to restrict their movements durring the uprising that eventually felled mubaric. The general concensus of this thread seems to be that this was anything but the mubaric forces targeting a high profile,female,attractive,western journalist. Well done, at last someone comes out with some back ground information on the subject, for Mubarak did try to suppress western journalism, and perhaps those that were wise stayed in their hotels as in the act of supression it was clear it was not safe for western journalists to be on the streets. Now journalists, do they do what they are told, do they keep out of the trouble spots, no way, they are there for a story they need to make the news for their employer, so perhaps Mubarak knew full well western trouble makers would defy his advice, so he made his 'people' aware of the situation and anything that transpired, Mubarak could say he warned the foreigners it was not safe. But is the uprising, the Egyptian people wanted the world to see, so perhaps it is unlikely that it was they that committed this crime, oh and er in those that were revolting against Mubarak there were many religions, muslim amongst them, so they are not all bad are they, just the minority as usual as with any religion, culture anywhere in the world. But of journalists in whatever hot spot they are in the world, increasingly it is being found the 'press' no longer have immunity, for many are realising what those at home know about any given situation is largely dependant on the information gathered and reported, and we all know with reporting there is agenda as if there was not, why all the different newspaper's reporting the same events. Hell, even in Iraq, American armoured vehicles fired upon a hotel they knew housed western journalists, so it is not just the 'foreigners' who are taking a dislike to western journalists, even our own security forces are too.

maybemaybenot -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 2:26:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Perhaps if you had followed this particular circumstance as it played out on the news you may have heard a few things that you may not know. Mubaric was still in power and had his goons all over town putting pressure on western journalists. At the time that this incident happened it was reported on npr that it was the government goons of mubaric who instigated this and it was mubaric's police who ignored the incident while it was in progress. This reporter was part of the western media which the mubaric forces looked upon as trouble makers and they did all they could to keep them confined to their hotels and to restrict their movements durring the uprising that eventually felled mubaric. The general concensus of this thread seems to be that this was anything but the mubaric forces targeting a high profile,female,attractive,western journalist. So how do you explain the other 60 reported rapes during the protests ? Ms. Logan was one of 61 victims we know of. Blaming her rape on her being a journalist is akin to blaming the victim for dressing provacatively, imo. It has little to do with anything. So , yeah, you're right in my case, I do not believe this was simply a case of a high profile female attractive < to use your words >, western journalist being targeted by Mubarics goons. She was a victim of rape, just as the other 60 were. Plain and Simple. And just to be clear : Lara Logan was in Tahrir Square covering the celebration of Mubabric stepping down. So Mubaric wasn't in power when this happened. mbmbn

thompsonx -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 3:03:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Perhaps if you had followed this particular circumstance as it played out on the news you may have heard a few things that you may not know. Mubaric was still in power and had his goons all over town putting pressure on western journalists. At the time that this incident happened it was reported on npr that it was the government goons of mubaric who instigated this and it was mubaric's police who ignored the incident while it was in progress. This reporter was part of the western media which the mubaric forces looked upon as trouble makers and they did all they could to keep them confined to their hotels and to restrict their movements durring the uprising that eventually felled mubaric. The general concensus of this thread seems to be that this was anything but the mubaric forces targeting a high profile,female,attractive,western journalist. So how do you explain the other 60 reported rapes during the protests ? Ms. Logan was one of 61 victims we know of. If the other 60 reported rapes were directed at western journalist then it would be logical to suspect a patern. If on the other hand the other 60 reported rapes were random acts of violence then I have no clue as to their cause or motivation Blaming her rape on her being a journalist is akin to blaming the victim for dressing provacatively, imo. I thought I was pretty clear about placing the blame. For you to suggest that I have placed that blame on the victim is disingenuous at best. It has little to do with anything. So , yeah, you're right in my case, I do not believe this was simply a case of a high profile female attractive < to use your words >, western journalist being targeted by Mubarics goons. She was a victim of rape, just as the other 60 were. Plain and Simple. So you do not feel that mubaric would use rape as a weapon against his percieved enemies? Every other dictator in history has...why is it that you think he would not? And just to be clear : Lara Logan was in Tahrir Square covering the celebration of Mubabric stepping down. So Mubaric wasn't in power when this happened. Really???who was in power? Do you really think he would call off his goons on the way out??? Would you if you were he? As I listened to the events unfold, npr had reporters in the crowd who were reporting with satellite cell phones...their universal plea was for western journalist to be there with them and document what they were doing. My point is that the people who overthrew mubaric would not likely be the ones who would be my first suspect in these rapes. Those who had motive,method and opportunity to commit these crimes would logically seem to be those who might have something to gain from intimidating western journalists. mbmbn

DeviantlyD -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 3:14:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Not because they are Islamic, but because she is liberal media. That has got to be one of the most idiotic things I've read here. Perhaps if you had followed this particular circumstance as it played out on the news you may have heard a few things that you may not know. Mubaric was still in power and had his goons all over town putting pressure on western journalists. At the time that this incident happened it was reported on npr that it was the government goons of mubaric who instigated this and it was mubaric's police who ignored the incident while it was in progress. This reporter was part of the western media which the mubaric forces looked upon as trouble makers and they did all they could to keep them confined to their hotels and to restrict their movements durring the uprising that eventually felled mubaric. The general concensus of this thread seems to be that this was anything but the mubaric forces targeting a high profile,female,attractive,western journalist. Regardless of who was who in this scenario, the quoted statement is just too general. Mob mentality plays into it. There is so much more than she was a liberal journalist. Do you honestly believe her attackers knew her political views? She was targeted, no doubt, but to analyze it so simply is idiotic.

thompsonx -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 3:19:57 PM)
quote: She was targeted, no doubt, but to analyze it so simply is idiotic. You agree that she was targeted. Who would have a motive? Mubaric's thugs or "crowd mentality"

maybemaybenot -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 3:26:42 PM)
I will apologize for misunderstanding your post. When you said she was singled out because she was a reporter, it appeared to me that your were assigning partial blame to her. I also understood that you were blaming Mubarics goons. Of course rape has been used as a weapon politically. And if Lara Logan were the only victim, I may give it heavier value. But there were many others raped and I am not convinced that her rape is the result of a political edict. I do not discount it as a possibility. The sadder part to me is that we will most likely never know or hear anything further about the Arab women who were raped during that protest and had Ms. Logan not been a high profile journalist, we may never have known anything other than she was one of 61. On the positive side, perhaps this will shed light on the problems facing women in the Middle East and open the doors to more dialogue and action for change. I have serious doubts, but I am hopeful. Again, apologies for misinterpreting your post. mbmbn

thompsonx -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 3:58:38 PM)
The problem with the printed word is that we can be misunderstood more easily than in face to face encounters. I accept your apology and understand how misunderstandings can happen. Off topic a bit but have you noticed any change in egypt since the "revolution"?

popeye1250 -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 3:59:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What does it have to do with Islam? Read Ms. Logans own words, as printed in the New York Times as well as in the OP of this thread: And further, this didnt occur in a vacuum, Islamic societies are notorious for their treatment of women. My point in it is that its a reality that many are determined to remain willfully ignorant of, and I believe that point has been well made here in this thread. Islamic societies are not and do not have a history of gang rape. Under Sharia law, the punishment for rape is death. It is not tolerated. However, the mob was in control and I doubt that it was directly linked to the worship of Islam. I would also like to point out that Christians of RECENT history have committed gang rape. I would remind Sanity of the wars in former Yugoslavia and the Gang Rapes committed by the Serbs, who were Orthodox Christians. It has been estimated that during the Bosnian War between 20,000 and 50,000 women were raped. The majority of the rape victims were Muslim women raped by Serbian soldiers. Although men also became victim of sexual violence, war rape was disproportionately directed against women who were (gang) raped in the streets, in their homes and/or in front of family members. During the Kosovo War thousands of Kosovo Albanian women and girls became victims of sexual violence. War rape was used as a weapon of war and an instrument of systematic ethnic cleansing; rape was used to terrorize the civilian population, extort money from families, and force people to flee their homes. According to a 2000 Human Rights Watch report war rape in the Kosovo War can generally be subdivided into three categories: rapes in women's homes, rapes during fighting, and rapes in detention. The majority of the perpetrators were Serbian paramilitaries, but they also included Serbian special police or Yugoslav army soldiers. Most rapes were gang rapes involving at least two perpetrators. Rapes occurred frequently in the presence, and with the acquiescence, of military officers. Soldiers, police, and paramilitaries often raped their victims in the full view of numerous witnesses. Of course, there have been gang rapes committed by American Soldiers in Iraq. Of course Sanity will minimize these instances because of the alleged numbers involved. I would suggest, however, that it is not numbers that matter in these incidents, but the very act in and of itself. JLF, this is why I don't like any "religions." As for muslims they're like Holy Rollers times 10. I want nothing to do with them. Call me "islamophobic" if you like. I don't know where this type of thinking comes from that one has to "like" everyone. Who makes up that silly fucking horseshit??? As for Bosnia and Kosovo, when are we (The U.S.) going to start minding our own fucking business? Are the Taxpayers just out here to pay for "perpetual war?" Is that why we exist? "Serbians", "Kosovo", "Albaniana", I couldn't care less, it's not my country. It's not the job of the U.S. to be going around the world getting involved in the internal affairs of foreign countries then letting in "refugees" in from those countries to the U.S. and putting them on public assistance for generations. They can use the terms "holocaust", "genocide", "ethnic cleansing", (where did they come up with that one?) or whatever they want to try to make the American People "feel sorry" for someone but it doesn't work anymore! Look at the outcry from people about Libya. The American People are tired of this shit, foreign countries trying to turn "their" problems into our problems and making us pay for everything! Those countries need to fight their own wars and have their own holocausts and stay away from the U.S.! I don't want to be their "friend!" The people in Washington need to learn how to say "NO!" They're not there to solve the problems of foreign countries!

thompsonx -> RE: CBS Reporter Recounts a ‘Merciless’ Assault (4/30/2011 4:18:10 PM)
quote: JLF, this is why I don't like any "religions." As for muslims they're like Holy Rollers times 10. I want nothing to do with them. Call me "islamophobic" if you like. I don't know where this type of thinking comes from that one has to "like" everyone. Who makes up that silly fucking horseshit??? As for Bosnia and Kosovo, when are we (The U.S.) going to start minding our own fucking business? Are the Taxpayers just out here to pay for "perpetual war?" Is that why we exist? "Serbians", "Kosovo", "Albaniana", I couldn't care less, it's not my country. It's not the job of the U.S. to be going around the world getting involved in the internal affairs of foreign countries then letting in "refugees" in from those countries to the U.S. and putting them on public assistance for generations. They can use the terms "holocaust", "genocide", "ethnic cleansing", (where did they come up with that one?) or whatever they want to try to make the American People "feel sorry" for someone but it doesn't work anymore! Look at the outcry from people about Libya. The American People are tired of this shit, foreign countries trying to turn "their" problems into our problems and making us pay for everything! Those countries need to fight their own wars and have their own holocausts and stay away from the U.S.! I don't want to be their "friend!" The people in Washington need to learn how to say "NO!" They're not there to solve the problems of foreign countries! OMFG...This is irony of the first order... You spend twenty years of your life as a government thug sticking your nose into places where it is none of your business and causing people no end of problems and now you post this. I guess there is a god and that bitch has a really bizarre sense of humor[8\|]

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