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BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 4:15:24 PM   
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While waiting in line in the grocery store, the headlines on a copy of Cosmopolitan caught my eye.  There was an article that said something about 64% of women are interested in bondage to some degree.  The article gave advice for women on how to approach the subject with the lovers without scaring them.  I think there is a general perception in the vanilla world that kinksters are some kind of depraved maniacs, and my impression of the article was that it was saying that an exploration of light bondage will not make you a depraved maniac.

I also read something recently about 25% of the sex books on amazon have a bdsm theme.  Its my impression that there are a lot of people out there interested in kink.

So where are all of these closet kinksters?  Sites like CM have certainly attracted many, but I don't think anywhere near the number that are still in the closet and want to come out.  How does one expand the pool of potential friends and partners?  I think too much information too soon can scare many away.  My guess is that there are many closet kinksters on the vanilla dating sites.  How does one recognize a fellow kinkster in the real world or one of these dating sites?  How does one identify to others that he or she has an interest in bdsm related stuff without scaring them away? 
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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 4:17:44 PM   
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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 4:20:56 PM   
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too funny, because it is so true!

wow.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 4:21:35 PM   
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Very good question. I really do not have an answer for you. Hell I scare away the people who are in the lifestyle :)

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 4:21:53 PM   
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I have dommed several women off OKCupid. Answer the kink related questions in their matching algorithm.

Also, I wrote a friend's OKCupid profile three weeks ago. His first date off the site slept chained in his bed that night, at her request. I was like, "Damn, dawg."

Also also, date younger. Spanking is vanilla and bondage is spanking for women under thirty.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 4:27:45 PM   
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I don't know about "closet" kinksters, but OkCupid, an ostensibly vanilla dating site, will tell you whether you or a potential match is kinkier.  You can also include "kinky" in your search parameters.  I met my best friend, who is as kinky as they come, in a writing class while I was at university.  We hit it off almost immediately and telling each other about our kinkiness was just a natural progression of building intimacy.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 5:18:12 PM   
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I tend to examine them as people. I've picked up submissive and dominant tendencies in people who weren't even aware of them and steered them towards the lifestyle. So much of kink for me isn't about the practices but the motivations and the internal attitudes. The interest in bondage is a symptom of a greater personality trait, and it's far easier and more rewarding (for me, at least) to pick up on the personality that adheres to kink than to seek out directly those who practice it.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 5:40:45 PM   
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I'm guessing it will depend upon who you ask. Not too long ago I was emailing with a gentleman on Tagged. We had exchanged a few 'getting to know you' emails when out of the blue he said "I love your eyes, they have a 'submissive' look to them." I admit to being blown away! We had never discussed anything along those lines, and I have never had anyone say my eyes have a'submissive' look to them.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 6:02:28 PM   
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A lot of people like kinky things.

Far fewer people are kinky.

There is a difference between having a lightly used bundle of love rope in the dresser drawer, and knives under the pillow.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 6:10:31 PM   
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The Tooth Fairy could get hurt if you don't move those to a more practical location, sir.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 7:19:04 PM   
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quote:

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I think there is a general perception in the vanilla world that kinksters are some kind of depraved maniacs,



Huh?  We're not? 


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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 8:15:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tristan

While waiting in line in the grocery store, the headlines on a copy of Cosmopolitan caught my eye.  There was an article that said something about 64% of women are interested in bondage to some degree.  The article gave advice for women on how to approach the subject with the lovers without scaring them.  I think there is a general perception in the vanilla world that kinksters are some kind of depraved maniacs, and my impression of the article was that it was saying that an exploration of light bondage will not make you a depraved maniac.

I also read something recently about 25% of the sex books on amazon have a bdsm theme.  Its my impression that there are a lot of people out there interested in kink.

So where are all of these closet kinksters?  Sites like CM have certainly attracted many, but I don't think anywhere near the number that are still in the closet and want to come out.  How does one expand the pool of potential friends and partners?  I think too much information too soon can scare many away.  My guess is that there are many closet kinksters on the vanilla dating sites.  How does one recognize a fellow kinkster in the real world or one of these dating sites?  How does one identify to others that he or she has an interest in bdsm related stuff without scaring them away? 



Am I the only one that thinks most forms bondage hardly qualifies as kinky??? Spanking not so much either.. When I break out the bull whip their eyes light right up "hurt me so good Mister Man"

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 9:16:41 PM   
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The Amazon thing is easy- it's exiting, women read a lot of bodice rippers and books about serial killers too, but only a small percentage of them end up dating them - probably a higher percentage of women who read kink who are confident enough to act out on it, but they probably have at least one kinky friend - women in general, outside the those sufering from sever religious neurosis, are actually a bit more kink friendly than men in general I think, possibly because they're less prone to idealize men, and when they do it's seldom as abstract objects of purity the way men often idealize women, but more often in kink compatible, materialistic terms; power, athleticism, seduction, romantic or otherwise, etc.

Everybody likes to flirt with the dark side, horror is also a very popular genre with women, the whole romantic vampire thing has been going strong for quite a while now, give it time, I just happen to think kinky is as kinky does, not everybody needs the reassurance of a social "scene" per se, i.e., it's not like you get a badge or something, although a lot people seem to think that - technically, that's a fetish in itself, IMO, i.e., the tendency to institutionalize tribal structures.

I guess what I'm saying is, what is kinky? At what point do you cross the line from vanilla to kinky? A more pertinent question, I think - vanillas do a lot of kinky things that they just call something else, they're always shocked when you point out just how kinky that is - i.e., Christianity, and most major religions are blatant and unapologetic about being paternalistic, male dominant, they not only openly practice objectification and humiliation, they do like it's a mission from god, literally - where do you think half this stuff came from?

That it's justified as basically a breeder fetish makes it less kinky? Shit that's even kinkier - if a kinkster were denying a submissive any sexual satisfaction while forcing her to churn out babies, and forgo any career opportunities she might have to raise them, the question of whether that was abusive would at least be raised I think, particularly if she were indoctrinated into this lifestyle from an early age, and under threat being shunned and abused if she rebels - but that is pretty much "mainstream" religion.

Anyway, off topic rant, just saying, it's mostly in your head - about 15% of the population identified themselves as kinky, both male and female in roughly even proportion, males were actually only slightly higher, in the Janus report which is the most recent and comprehensive sex survey - you might get a higher number now, it's more fashionable, people are a bit more open about it, but the fact that the survey was taken before it became fashionable leads me to suspect that that is a probably a relatively stable number.

So, the answer is, they're everywhere, maybe you're just not their type - for one thing, secular kink, unlike religion, doesn't lock you into a particular gender role, which in the past, often forced women to choose between the lesser of two evils - not surprisingly, this generated a certain degree of cynicism among women, about men, and now, financial independence is possible, and homo or bisexuality, by definition, kinky, is a more attractive option than it once might have been.

Sad but true, I think a lot of women like kink, they just get tired of dealing with assholes and players.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/29/2011 9:21:19 PM   
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And of course, it being popular, a lot of guys start thinking it's some kind of competition,  with prizes 'cause that's the way guys think (since they don't read as much?) - and while some women like that, quite a few are just going to quietly opt out.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/30/2011 5:36:05 AM   
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Hell, I just tell somebody when the timing seems right. If their eyes become wide and the look like they are ready to run for their life. Oh well. I just slowly ease into the conversation about it, probing around with kinky jokes. Bondage and spanking ass stuff. See what the reaction is and if positive proceed a little deeper.

Every once in a while, I've had somebody surprise me by hesitantly trying to express their interests to be.

If you scare somebody away cause of your interest in BDSM, expect for word to ripple through the grapevine and sooner or later that other kinky person will find out about you! So look on the positive side of things.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/30/2011 6:33:12 AM   
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It's not like we use a hanky code. This is what conversation is for after you've had a couple of exploratory dates and have decided you want to move towards the bedroom. It should not however, be talked about right after you had sex for the first time.

I'm not submissive to anyone. I'm submissive to one. To anyone else I'm just another soccer mom and that's how I want it. The last thing I want is to be wearing a sign (metaphorical or actual) saying bondage fanatic.


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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/30/2011 7:07:25 AM   
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I think the difference is more between kinky and lifestyle BDSM. Lots of prople in the world are kinky, but they are not looking for the whole "lead me around by a leash and treat me as an object or fuck hole," type of thing.

Just as people on this site are as different as apples and oranges, engaging in their kink "their" way. Lots here don't engange in the honorifics other than when actively playing. Many here engage in their kink only sexually. Others make it a full time on your knees and honorifics life. None are better or "more" than the other. They are just enjoying life on their terms. Even for many "full timers," depending on employment position, aren't so out that they talk with co-workers about going home to their "cum dump." It isn't appropriate talk for the work place, nor should it become so.

Personally, I think that often on this site, some people forget that there is a whole world of people out there, who just because someone isn't on a kink site or going to munches, doesn't make them "vanllia."

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/30/2011 7:48:49 AM   
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If you're trying to recognize kinksters out in the vanilla world then I don't think there's some sort of hanky code. Either they display the cultural signs like lots of leather, collars, etc. or they don't and you'll have to ask. I should think the easiest method is to simply be who you are and allow like to find like as it's wont to do.

If you're talking about converting vanilla people then... well... you're on your own dude. What is evidently true is that if you're going to try to convert someone, you're going to need a clear understanding of why they have chosen NOT to be kinky. I think that if you're reasoning begins and ends at "they're too scared and/or repressed" then you're going to need a much better understanding.

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RE: BDSM in the Vanilla World - 4/30/2011 12:19:27 PM   
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> So where are all of these closet kinksters?

> Sites like CM have certainly attracted many, but I don't think anywhere near the number that are still in the closet and want to come out. How does one expand the pool of potential friends and partners?

Fetlife, munches, local dungeons, and kinky happy hours.

> How does one recognize a fellow kinkster in the real world or one of these dating sites?

Through conversation. I had some slightly kinky friends in my vanilla circles. Every few weeks they would be referring someone to me so they could learn more about kink and get connected with the community. Outside of work related friends, and family I talk about kink like any other hobby or interest that I have. If people want to talk about it, or learn more they tend to ask me upfront.

> How does one identify to others that he or she has an interest in bdsm related stuff without scaring them away?

IMO if they're gonna get scared away, they're going to get scared away. I've learned the hard way on so many occasions by not being upfront with my needs. Not clarifying when something was edgy or taboo for a partner, and wasn't even scratching the surface of decency for me. If I'm interested in someone as a partner, as soon as it's a good time to bring it up, I let it all out. I offer for them to come to a munch or happy hour. If they're not interested then I am not interested in them.

My partner of two years I met on a vanilla dating site. Our first major makeout session he put a hole in my knee through my jeans. We had a talk about my interests, and we've been together and a part of the public scene ever since.

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