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Intense Emotional Responses - 4/30/2011 11:02:59 PM   
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While having been involved in the lifestyle, in some form, for the last couple of years, it has never been as serious as it currently is.  For the first time, I am a collared slave.

I love my Master, and have spoken with him at great length about the question I now pose here:  Is it normal (keeping in mind that I recognize that there is no norm) as a slave, to be experience intense emotional reactions, to situations where you would normally be aloof?   Let me explain.  In most situations, I am a fairly detached individual.  Very practical in nature, and one could describe me as being, "guarded."  However, when it comes to situations involving Master and I, I find that my  emotional responses are over the top.  A single look can shatter my universe, an ill word can crush my spirits, and any disagreement can reduce me to tears.

He has assured me that my reactions are fine.  That the emotional responses come from the intense connection we have.  While I have complete faith in his answer, I would love to hear from others - it's always nice to know that you are not alone.
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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 4:57:58 AM   
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He nailed it dead on.
Think it through. As a slave, you give everything of yourself to another on a daily basis. Of course you will develop a strong emotional attachment to that person. It's probably the most natural reaction one could have.
To feel otherwise would be almost inhuman.


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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 6:04:30 AM   
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If someone you don't care for is disappointed in you, do you care? Not really. If it's someone you are really close to (a grandparent, mentor, best friend, goddaughter, lover) is disappointed in you, it can be devastating. That is the nature of relationships.

Welcome to the great, bright, wonderful, dangerous world of love.

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 6:28:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: radiantslave

While having been involved in the lifestyle, in some form, for the last couple of years, it has never been as serious as it currently is.  For the first time, I am a collared slave.

I love my Master, and have spoken with him at great length about the question I now pose here:  Is it normal (keeping in mind that I recognize that there is no norm) as a slave, to be experience intense emotional reactions, to situations where you would normally be aloof?   Let me explain.  In most situations, I am a fairly detached individual.  Very practical in nature, and one could describe me as being, "guarded."  However, when it comes to situations involving Master and I, I find that my  emotional responses are over the top.  A single look can shatter my universe, an ill word can crush my spirits, and any disagreement can reduce me to tears.

He has assured me that my reactions are fine.  That the emotional responses come from the intense connection we have.  While I have complete faith in his answer, I would love to hear from others - it's always nice to know that you are not alone.



Absolutely. The deeper you get into this lifestyle the more intense the emotional reactions will be...Just read my thread about self-destructive subs. Some people believe that having intense emotional reactions, such as having your spirits crushed by your Master and getting really depressed about it, is a mental disorder....I disagree.
Typically, people who believe that have never felt submission at the deepest level. Because if they did, they would understand what it means when someone truly has power over you, rather than pretends to.

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 6:29:50 AM   
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Besides, how can you not have intense emotional reactions when you displease your Master? Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't really submitted to their Master, let alone to themselves...

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 6:34:19 AM   
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Besides, how can you not have intense emotional reactions when you displease your Master? Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't really submitted to their Master, let alone to themselves...


One, you are making a presumption about the definition of everybody's relationships based up on your own viewpoint. Your experience is not my experience.

And B, you could be in disagreement about a decision that said Master has made. You know he's wrong, he's disappointed, but you know darned tooting that you are right. I for one am not going to feel bad because I didn't do something that was not the correct thing to do. Did you want to get out your score card now and tell me how bad I am at "submitting" to myself?

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 6:47:23 AM   
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It's called love.

This is normal not just in bdsm but in any relationship whee there is a strong bond of love between two people. I had this with my deceased husband, I have it with Master. It's normal.



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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 8:19:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

quote:

ORIGINAL: subbykat

Besides, how can you not have intense emotional reactions when you displease your Master? Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't really submitted to their Master, let alone to themselves...


One, you are making a presumption about the definition of everybody's relationships based up on your own viewpoint. Your experience is not my experience.

And B, you could be in disagreement about a decision that said Master has made. You know he's wrong, he's disappointed, but you know darned tooting that you are right. I for one am not going to feel bad because I didn't do something that was not the correct thing to do. Did you want to get out your score card now and tell me how bad I am at "submitting" to myself?

best,
sunshine





So you would rather think you're darned tooting right, than consider how you might have disappointed your Master and work towards remedying the situation?

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 8:56:01 AM   
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I am an extremely independent person, even aloof, and I keep how I feel hidden until I know exactly how the other person will react and wether or not I can use my emotion to my benefit. Unless we are referring to how I am with Master. Then I feel just like you do. A look can bring me to tears, praise can make my whole body tingle, my heart soar and I nearly burst into song. The first few months I felt this way I was sure I was going crazy. Like you I asked my Master if it was normal, if He thought it was a good thing and He told me, "You are devoted to me and love to please me. I love telling you what to do and having you please me. It's simple, we fit." After that I started to relax a little and just go with it. I enjoyed the immersion in strong emotion, let go of any judgement on myself for having those emotions and simply "fit" in the place I have in my relationship. It feels wonderful once you get used to it. Don't worry, you are absolutely not alone and not unhealthy. Just try to keep things in perspective and accept that those intense emotions are a beautiful part of your service to your Master.

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 8:57:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: radiantslave

I find that my  emotional responses are over the top.  A single look can shatter my universe, an ill word can crush my spirits, and any disagreement can reduce me to tears.

He has assured me that my reactions are fine.  That the emotional responses come from the intense connection we have.  While I have complete faith in his answer, I would love to hear from others - it's always nice to know that you are not alone.



While these are not the typical reactions of a non-submissive woman "in love" or simply loving (I've experienced these conditions both as a submissive and not--for me, it is a markedly different experience when your mate is not dominant), I agree that the connection between you two, which is "intense" on a lot of different levels, is the cause of this. It can be interesting to examine that connection in more depth. What is it comprised of? What makes it work? How is it similar to/different from close connections with other people? When I have done so, the conclusions I have come to included the following:

* You are, due to things that both you and he are doing together, far more open and vulnerable to him than you have been to any other person, even to former long-term partners. This vulnerability (or lack of emotional shielding, if you will) makes certain impacts from him, such as a disapproving look or word, that would be minor--because defended against--from any other person, very potently felt when they come from a direction where your shields are down. Examining the roots of this vulnerability (where does it come from, how did it happen?) can be a quite gratifying path of discovery as well, but one which I think best left to each individual submissive to explore on her own.

* A dominant who knows how to dominate understands that, with humans, anything used for communication can also be used to control. They innately understand this principle and study it in depth. Dominants are masters at emotional and mental manipulation. They know how to effectively apply speech and its tones, an expression, gestures or body language, silence, even a sentence of typed text in such a way that it completely alters the mood and orientation of those whom it is directed toward. While this mastery of communication is particularly effective toward those most vulnerable to a dominant's message, those submissives who are open toward him, I have also seen dominants very effectively ply their communication skills in public forums or groups in ways that change popular opinion or get complete strangers thinking or doing exactly what the dominant wants them to think or do. It can be truly astonishing to be a fly on the wall of a public forum and watch this occur. Of course, dominants vary in their communication-to-control talent, just as people vary in their ability to play an instrument or to create art; some are far more skilled at it than others.

It sounds trite to say this, but I'll say it anyway: what you are describing is what being controlled feels like. Enjoy the ride (actually, it would be more accurate to say, "enjoy being ridden," ), it is quite an expereince. There is nothing else I know of that is remotely like it.

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 9:31:48 AM   
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Sounds like "being in love" to me. You're not the first person to fall in love. It's actually a pretty normal part of the human condition. This really doesn't have much to do with D/s or M/s.

Now, if those reactions continued past the 6 month-ish mark then I'd have an issue (in my own marriage, not yours). In fact one of the first serious uses for my newfound authority with Carol was to stop exactly that sort of mountain-out-of-molehill response. My marriage and me are better served by de-escalating problems rather than escalating them.

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 9:35:05 AM   
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quote:

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So you would rather think you're darned tooting right, than consider how you might have disappointed your Master and work towards remedying the situation?


Not think I might be right, but am right. He really is not an expert in everything, there are things I know more about and when I prove it, he changes his mind. He really isn't so insecure that he has to be right when he's wrong.

Apparently your mileage is different.


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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 9:39:27 AM   
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And yet more pearls of wisdom from subbykat:

quote:

Absolutely. The deeper you get into this lifestyle the more intense the emotional reactions will be...Just read my thread about self-destructive subs. Some people believe that having intense emotional reactions, such as having your spirits crushed by your Master and getting really depressed about it, is a mental disorder....I disagree.
Typically, people who believe that have never felt submission at the deepest level. Because if they did, they would understand what it means when someone truly has power over you, rather than pretends to.


quote:

Besides, how can you not have intense emotional reactions when you displease your Master? Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't really submitted to their Master, let alone to themselves...


I see you have climbed up on your high horse once again, subbykat. I can only assume you need to spend so much time up there because riding the superiority high horse is a wonderful way of pretending to self esteem you do not possess. After reading some of your posts, it's clear everything you read and respond to gets filtered through your own distorted (and self destructive) lens. You pretend to have the perfect relationship and profess to be the slaviest slave known to man, and yet a few shorts weeks ago you were contemplating suicide.

You are not in a good dynamic (JMO); good dynamics don't leave you feeling suicidal. Pretending to be the perfect s-type is never going to fix your dynamic or your own lack of self esteem.

Your rather feeble attempts to attack people on this forum who myself and many others have great respect for is sad and rather pathetic. In my opinion, you would be far better served in spending the time in therapy.

I am quite certain you will find this post quite inflammatory. That is my intent. Though I have little hope of it (in your case), anger does sometimes serve the purpose of forcing people into a reflective mode.


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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 9:42:35 AM   
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yeah, maybe you're in love and your behaviour will level out after a while... when you discover he is just a man with some less endearing habits too
or... you might be preggers... maybe do a test?

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 9:54:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subbykat

quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
One, you are making a presumption about the definition of everybody's relationships based up on your own viewpoint. Your experience is not my experience.

And B, you could be in disagreement about a decision that said Master has made. You know he's wrong, he's disappointed, but you know darned tooting that you are right. I for one am not going to feel bad because I didn't do something that was not the correct thing to do. Did you want to get out your score card now and tell me how bad I am at "submitting" to myself?

best,
sunshine



So you would rather think you're darned tooting right, than consider how you might have disappointed your Master and work towards remedying the situation?


First, I wasn't aware that there was a situation that needed remedying. If I know something is true, then it's my job to use good judgement. It's not my job to babysit his emotions. He's disappointed? I'm sure he's a big boy and can handle that. For me, the scenario that's been set up in this thread would throw me into horrific co-dependence. That is toxic for me. If it works for other people, good on 'em.

And B, nowhere did I say anything about lacking communication. That's not really my world. I'm all about communication. (I'm lesbian that way).

Now, I don't want folks to think I'm a nasty, f*ck you kind of gal. I'm not. In fact, when I disappoint ANYONE that I care about, I go back and review what's happened. Generally, I feel awful that I've hurt them. If they are DISAPPOINTED, that's THEIR expectations. That's got nothing to do with me. I know that life is painful. People we care about disappoint us. And we disappiont them. That's not BDSM, that's not M/s. That's not TPE. That's love and respect.

I don't need to wrap it up in a flag and do hocus pocus on it to recognize a relationship and how it works.

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 10:09:28 AM   
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Thank you for that ChatteParfaitt. That was pretty much exactly what I was thinking. Man, because of your post I just went back and scanned through Kat's posts. So far, every single one of them has been judgmental with a clear "one true way" bent. Cookie, I think said, "she reminds me of castlerealms". I agree with that assessment.

Another true master/slave gets hidden. Man, this has been a bumper crop these last two weeks.

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 11:10:18 AM   
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quote:



First, I wasn't aware that there was a situation that needed remedying. If I know something is true, then it's my job to use good judgement. It's not my job to babysit his emotions. He's disappointed? I'm sure he's a big boy and can handle that. For me, the scenario that's been set up in this thread would throw me into horrific co-dependence. That is toxic for me. If it works for other people, good on 'em.

And B, nowhere did I say anything about lacking communication. That's not really my world. I'm all about communication. (I'm lesbian that way).

Now, I don't want folks to think I'm a nasty, f*ck you kind of gal. I'm not. In fact, when I disappoint ANYONE that I care about, I go back and review what's happened. Generally, I feel awful that I've hurt them. If they are DISAPPOINTED, that's THEIR expectations. That's got nothing to do with me. I know that life is painful. People we care about disappoint us. And we disappiont them. That's not BDSM, that's not M/s. That's not TPE. That's love and respect.

I don't need to wrap it up in a flag and do hocus pocus on it to recognize a relationship and how it works.

best,
sunshine


I agree that you are not responsible for how other people feel. I was just pointing out that when you love and respect someone and they are disappointed about something you said or did, then I wouldn't go tooting around thinking that I was right, naner naner naner.. just to keep my ego inflated.
But if in fact, I didn't do anything wrong, I would still try to smooth out the conflict with my Master, so that he understands that there was a misunderstanding...A miscommunication between us.


< Message edited by subbykat -- 5/1/2011 11:11:06 AM >

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 11:12:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

Thank you for that ChatteParfaitt. That was pretty much exactly what I was thinking. Man, because of your post I just went back and scanned through Kat's posts. So far, every single one of them has been judgmental with a clear "one true way" bent. Cookie, I think said, "she reminds me of castlerealms". I agree with that assessment.

Another true master/slave gets hidden. Man, this has been a bumper crop these last two weeks.


It's funny how people judge me for being judgmental. lol.

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 11:15:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

And yet more pearls of wisdom from subbykat:

quote:

Absolutely. The deeper you get into this lifestyle the more intense the emotional reactions will be...Just read my thread about self-destructive subs. Some people believe that having intense emotional reactions, such as having your spirits crushed by your Master and getting really depressed about it, is a mental disorder....I disagree.
Typically, people who believe that have never felt submission at the deepest level. Because if they did, they would understand what it means when someone truly has power over you, rather than pretends to.


quote:

Besides, how can you not have intense emotional reactions when you displease your Master? Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't really submitted to their Master, let alone to themselves...


I see you have climbed up on your high horse once again, subbykat. I can only assume you need to spend so much time up there because riding the superiority high horse is a wonderful way of pretending to self esteem you do not possess. After reading some of your posts, it's clear everything you read and respond to gets filtered through your own distorted (and self destructive) lens. You pretend to have the perfect relationship and profess to be the slaviest slave known to man, and yet a few shorts weeks ago you were contemplating suicide.

You are not in a good dynamic (JMO); good dynamics don't leave you feeling suicidal. Pretending to be the perfect s-type is never going to fix your dynamic or your own lack of self esteem.

Your rather feeble attempts to attack people on this forum who myself and many others have great respect for is sad and rather pathetic. In my opinion, you would be far better served in spending the time in therapy.

I am quite certain you will find this post quite inflammatory. That is my intent. Though I have little hope of it (in your case), anger does sometimes serve the purpose of forcing people into a reflective mode.



How presumptuous of you lol.

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RE: Intense Emotional Responses - 5/1/2011 12:28:38 PM   
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While being in love and being involved in an intense D/s relationship can produce all sorts of wild emotions, I find that if you are reduced to tears, shattered or crushed that easily, it may be time to reassess your coping skills.

I have been wildly and passionately in love and intensely involved in D/s and can I honestly say I have only freaked out on occasion when something really bad happened or I was very angry.

Otherwise, my emotional responses were a bit less dramatic.

If you are new to all this or the particular relationship, maybe I could see the new relationship highs/lows, but hopefully, your responses will level out.

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