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AgonySchmagony -> Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:11:24 PM)
Hi, I'm new to this site (not new to BDSM!) and I was talking to some guys (I'm mostly just on here to make friends) and one of them told me that he had been scammed by a woman he met on here. She didn't want to meet him, and he offered to pay her $400 to do it, and then she took the money and never met him. Turned out she was a fake the whole time despite their having talked for over a month. He reported her account and it was deleted shortly thereafter. I think this is horrible and I found out it's a disturbingly common occurence on here. Isn't this illegal in some way? Wouldn't this fall under "Obtaining property under false pretenses"? Is there anything he can do to get his money back? He seems to have given up but I don't think he should have to.

NocturnalStalker -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:13:50 PM)
What you and him call a scam I call, "being a dipshit."

Lucylastic -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:17:05 PM)
hmmmmm he offered her 400$ to meet him? WHY????

BonesFromAsh -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:17:55 PM)
DO NOT SEND MONEY TO OTHER USERS FOR ANY REASON! This lovely bit of bright red lettering is found at the top of the page everytime anyone reads an email here. If your friend chose to ignore those red letters, whose fault is it? As for getting his money back, he could always file a complaint at the local police department. ETA....I'd be curious to hear him explain to the officers why he was sending $400 to a stranger on the internet.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:18:35 PM)
If someone is stupid enough to ignore the warnings, they deserve what they got.

gothikbutterfly -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:21:18 PM)
I have to agree with NS on something for a change. If you really are that stupid to fall for something like that, then its not a scam....YOU'RE JUST STUPID!

DesFIP -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:21:30 PM)
He offered her the money? She didn't ask it from him? Then it's his fault. And unless you heard her side, you don't know why she didn't meet. Perhaps he demanded sex when they did meet and he forgot to tell you that. Or that she bought a nonrefundable ticket. Just remember, that until you actually meet him, you don't know if he really is who he says he is. Or if anything he's told you is the truth. And for that matter, he could still lie after you meet.

NocturnalStalker -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:22:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh DO NOT SEND MONEY TO OTHER USERS FOR ANY REASON! This lovely bit of bright red lettering is found at the top of the page everytime anyone reads an email here. If your friend chose to ignore those red letters, whose fault is it? As for getting his money back, he could always file a complaint at the local police department. Officer Jones: What did that guy want? Officer Johnson: Oh some guy filed a complaint because he handed over $400 to a random woman on the internet he met through a BDSM website. Officer Jones: What does he expect us to do? Officer Johnson: He wants us to go play "mother" and get his toy back. Officer Jones: What a dipshit. Officer Johnson: I agree. Officer Jones: Let's go laugh at the parking-lot officers. Officer Johnson: Genius, Jones.

BonesFromAsh -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:23:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker quote: ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh DO NOT SEND MONEY TO OTHER USERS FOR ANY REASON! This lovely bit of bright red lettering is found at the top of the page everytime anyone reads an email here. If your friend chose to ignore those red letters, whose fault is it? As for getting his money back, he could always file a complaint at the local police department. Officer Jones: What did that guy want? Officer Johnson: Oh some guy filed a complaint because he handed over $400 to a random woman on the internet he met through a BDSM website. Officer Jones: What does he expect us to do? Officer Johnson: He wants us to go play "mother" and get his toy back. Officer Jones: What a dipshit. Officer Johnson: I agree. Officer Jones: Let's go laugh at the parking-lot officers. Officer Johnson: Genius, Jones. Pretty much! [:D]

AgonySchmagony -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:26:07 PM)
When you're all done calling my friend and I stupid idiots, maybe you'd like to answer my original question, whether or not it's legal? Surely they can follow the trail of the amazon gift cards he ordered her and make an arrest?

BonesFromAsh -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:28:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AgonySchmagony When you're all done calling my friend and I stupid idiots, maybe you'd like to answer my original question, whether or not it's legal? Surely they can follow the trail of the amazon gift cards he ordered her and make an arrest? Why not make a call to the local police department and ask instead of asking random strangers on the internet who may or may not know the law?

NocturnalStalker -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:30:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AgonySchmagony When you're all done calling my friend and I stupid idiots, maybe you'd like to answer my original question, whether or not it's legal? Surely they can follow the trail of the amazon gift cards he ordered her and make an arrest? It is like you're blonde.

littlewonder -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:31:44 PM)
depends on what he offered the $400 for. Did he say it was for sex and/or play? It would be seen as prostitution and he would be in just as much trouble as her. If he offered her $400 and she never asked for it or offered anything then I'd say no but I'm not an attorney. But overall I think he's just an idiot. If he wants his money back tell him to talk to an attorney and/or the police.

AgonySchmagony -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:33:05 PM)
Cause I'd rather ask on here than have him embarrass himself. Does anybody want to answer my question? You're all being rather rude.

NocturnalStalker -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:33:45 PM)
In her OP, she pointed out that the woman did not want to meet him but he paid her $400 anyway to do it. So she, being like anybody else, took the money and said, "What a dipshit."

BonesFromAsh -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:43:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AgonySchmagony Cause I'd rather ask on here than have him embarrass himself. Does anybody want to answer my question? You're all being rather rude. Well, dear, as someone who advertises herself as a domme who, according to your profile, is supported completely by this lifestyle (and the 4 slaves who hand over their paychecks to you) I would think you'd be a bit more well versed in the legal side of financial domination. It would be helpful for you to know these things, not just your friend, given your desire to make your next slave's life "a whirlwind of unspeakable misery"......Amazon gift cards and the law could be the least of your concerns. Your friend, if he feels he's been scammed, should handle it by talking with the police. Plain and simple. Embarrassment is a little thing, though, if it means a lesson can be learned.

peppermint -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:45:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AgonySchmagony Cause I'd rather ask on here than have him embarrass himself. Does anybody want to answer my question? You're all being rather rude. If it was agreed that they would have sexual contact of any kind, then they have both done something illegal. In the state where I live the punishment for a John is twice the punishment for the prostitute. If she is actually a she and not a he as many are and lives overseas it would be very difficult to find her and prosecute. We can't answer more than this on the very limited information you have provided. I have done my best.

angelikaJ -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:46:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AgonySchmagony When you're all done calling my friend and I stupid idiots, maybe you'd like to answer my original question, whether or not it's legal? Surely they can follow the trail of the amazon gift cards he ordered her and make an arrest? Did she make a promise to meet in exchange or did he think that if he placated her then she would eventually agree? What was the agreement for? Was she a Pro-Domme and this was just a "tribute" or was this payment im advance for her time? Often tributes are considered gifts as I understand it. She played hard to get but dangled enough carrot that he gifted her. It could have been a much more expensive lesson in more ways than one. Primary lesson: No means no.

lizi -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:48:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AgonySchmagony Hi, I'm new to this site (not new to BDSM!) and I was talking to some guys (I'm mostly just on here to make friends) and one of them told me that he had been scammed by a woman he met on here. Who knows if he was scammed or just putting his own spin on things. quote: She didn't want to meet him, and he offered to pay her $400 to do it, and then she took the money and never met him. Turned out she was a fake the whole time despite their having talked for over a month. He reported her account and it was deleted shortly thereafter. If this is true then I have no sympathy whatsoever for this guy. She didn't want to meet but when he threw money at her to try to change her mind she took the free money. What exactly is the crime in that? She was a fake you say or was he abusive and she changed her mind and how would we know? quote: I think this is horrible and I found out it's a disturbingly common occurence on here. On here? How would you find out that it's fairly common on here if you're new and all, and who is giving you the statistics for this or have you done a comprehensive poll? I don't find that it's common at all that money gets given away. Maybe it's a bit on the common side to be asked for money but for someone to offer money and then actually carry through on forking it over for a meeting, no, I've never actually heard of that happening. quote: Isn't this illegal in some way? Wouldn't this fall under "Obtaining property under false pretenses"? Is there anything he can do to get his money back? He seems to have given up but I don't think he should have to. Obtaining property under false pretences...? Huh? What property was obtained here? Humans are not property and it is illegal in this country to deal in human beings. He offered to pay her, he seems to be at fault here. No, there probably isnt' a thing he can do to get his money back but he could try asking a professional.

AgonySchmagony -> RE: Financial Domme Scam??? (5/1/2011 7:48:40 PM)
There was no sexual contact mentioned, he wanted her to lock him in a cage for a couple hours and whip him. She apparently said "maybe". He gave me the transcripts of their conversation when I pressed him so I can tell you more if you like.

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