Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD Page: <<   < prev  12 13 [14] 15 16   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 9:27:24 AM   
Hillwilliam


Posts: 19394
Joined: 8/27/2008
Status: offline
DNA testing is done by extracting a sample and using DNA polymerase to create more of the molecules.

Step 2. Use a 'restriction enzyme' that recognizes certain sequences and cuts the DNA at those sequences. As everyone's DNA is different, the cuts will yield parts of different lengths.

Step 3. Place the mixture of DNA fragments on a semipermeable gel and place a small DC charge across the gel.

Step 4. The fragments will migrate thru the gel in reverse proportion to their Charge/Mass ratio, (the DNA has a lot of phosphate in it which has a negative charge)

Preliminary results can be obtained in 12-24 hours. If you need a fast quick and dirty, you slightly increase the DC voltage which makes the fragments move a bit faster.

How do I know?


I did it when I was in grad school.

_____________________________

Kinkier than a cheap garden hose.

Whoever said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" never heard Right Wing talk radio.

Don't blame me, I voted for Gary Johnson.

(in reply to Jeffff)
Profile   Post #: 261
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 9:31:19 AM   
lockedaway


Posts: 1720
Joined: 3/15/2007
Status: offline
Yeah...  Obama was killed in the last 48 hours?  Let's see a show of hands who believes that.  We ran Sadaam Hussein down in no time flat, Obama takes us ten years.  We have less of a presence in the region than just a few years ago and yet....viola....we suddenly found him, killed him and buried him at sea.  It all sounds like a bunch of bullshit.  And the point that I want to make with this post is to look at how many people think it is bullshit!  Thirty years ago, 90% of Americans would have believed it and the soldiers that took him out would have been given a ticker tape parade.  Now we hear the news and far too many of us shrug our shoulders and say "maybe so...but maybe not."  Our faith in our leaders is at an all time low and for good cause!  Skepticism and/or ambivalence should be the reaction of the fringe and its not.  Usama's alleged death has come when Obama needs it most; on the cusp of $5.00 per gallon gasoline, another plunge in real estate prices, a multi-billionare fucking with him to no end, an all time low in his approval ratings, etc. etc. etc.  And....like 9-11....Usama's death is neat and clean and fits in a pretty little box with a lovely bow and all of our questions are supposed to be answered and all of our fears assuaged.  It isn't that simple.

< Message edited by lockedaway -- 5/2/2011 9:33:35 AM >

(in reply to Jeffff)
Profile   Post #: 262
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 9:33:31 AM   
Hillwilliam


Posts: 19394
Joined: 8/27/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: lockedaway

Yeah...  Obama was killed in the last 48 hours?  Let's see a show of hands who believes that.  We ran Sadaam Hussein down in no time flat, Obama takes us ten years.  We have less of a presence in the region than just a few years ago and yet....viola....we suddenly found him, killed him and buried him at sea.  It all sounds like a bunch of bullshit.  And the point that I want to make with this post is to look at how many people think it is bullshit!  Thirty years ago, 90% of American would have believed it and the soldiers that took him out would have been given a ticker tape parade.  Now we hear the news and far too many of us shrug our shoulders and say "maybe so...but maybe not."  Our faith in our leaders is at an all time low and for good cause!  Skepticism and/or ambivalence should be the reaction of the fringe and its not.  Usama's alleged death has come when Obama needs it most; on the cusp of $5.00 per gallon gasoline, another plunge in real estate prices, a multi-billionare fucking with him to know end, an all time low in his approval ratings, etc. etc. etc.  And....like 9-11....Usama's death is neat and clean and fits in a pretty little box with a lovely bow and all of your questions are supposed to be answered and all of our fears assuaged.  It isn't that simple.

At least you are well named

you DID mean osama the first 2 times, right?

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 5/2/2011 9:34:34 AM >


_____________________________

Kinkier than a cheap garden hose.

Whoever said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" never heard Right Wing talk radio.

Don't blame me, I voted for Gary Johnson.

(in reply to lockedaway)
Profile   Post #: 263
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 9:35:45 AM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I feel sorry for you.

With every post you demonstrate that there is no joy in your life, just paranoia and fear


are you out of your mind?




quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

how do you spell SUCKERS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zScYmvmANcA

he has been dead for years LOL

slop up that puppy chow!




See, this was what I was talking about, it would fuel those who are deluded enough to believe in any conspiracy theory that is out there



well call it anyway you want julia!

how the serach for wmd's going?

change working for ya?

Yep vote the bums out!  LOL


this clip was out within hours of her murder which was within weeks of her announcing that bin laden was dead.

bhutto is a hero for fighting corruption now a marytr.  She died for truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QcLgBpSXyU


_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to juliaoceania)
Profile   Post #: 264
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 9:37:04 AM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
WIshful thinking on his part maybe
who could have expected him to have anything different to say
LMAO


_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to Hillwilliam)
Profile   Post #: 265
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 9:37:27 AM   
ChatteParfaitt


Posts: 6562
Joined: 3/22/2011
From: The t'aint of the Midwest -- Indiana
Status: offline
This:

quote:

ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

I'm glad we finally got him. I feel that there has been justice done. I feel some sense of peace thathe is no longer on this earth to spread his hate and destruction. Altho, I just have a funny feeling that there is an audio/video tape coming from him soon. One that he did in preparation for the day that he was captured/killed. And God knows what that will unleash.

I cannot * celebrate * his death. I tried when I first heard it, but all that came into my head was the Islamic extremists that were in the streets celebrating the killing of our people on 9/11. I don't ever want to have one single trait that I saw in those people that day.

mbmbn


_____________________________



(in reply to maybemaybenot)
Profile   Post #: 266
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 9:39:06 AM   
starshineowned


Posts: 1551
Joined: 4/19/2005
From: Texas
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

DNA testing is done by extracting a sample and using DNA polymerase to create more of the molecules.

Step 2. Use a 'restriction enzyme' that recognizes certain sequences and cuts the DNA at those sequences. As everyone's DNA is different, the cuts will yield parts of different lengths.

Step 3. Place the mixture of DNA fragments on a semipermeable gel and place a small DC charge across the gel.

Step 4. The fragments will migrate thru the gel in reverse proportion to their Charge/Mass ratio, (the DNA has a lot of phosphate in it which has a negative charge)

Preliminary results can be obtained in 12-24 hours. If you need a fast quick and dirty, you slightly increase the DC voltage which makes the fragments move a bit faster.

How do I know?


I did it when I was in grad school.


Interesting. So did you have 2 samples available for this testing to show the match? What sort of setup, resources, environment did you need to ensure the results would not be contaminated and possibly skew the results?

starshine


_____________________________

"And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." --Abraham Lincoln

(in reply to Hillwilliam)
Profile   Post #: 267
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 9:45:53 AM   
subrob1967


Posts: 4591
Joined: 9/13/2004
Status: offline
My thanks go out to all the unrecognized people who made it possible, from the Pakistani informant who gave up the location of the Courier, to the CIA Officer who acted on it and sent it up the chain of command, and the SEALS who completed the mission without taking a casualty, and the entire JSOC command.

The President deserves credit here as well, although he'll get plenty of recognition for the take down. Good job Mr Obama.

(in reply to starshineowned)
Profile   Post #: 268
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 9:46:56 AM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline
quote:

well call it anyway you want julia!


It seems some people are determined to think they are being lied to before even all of the facts are known. I am not one of those people. Why would you jump to conclusions before having all of the facts in hand? It makes it hard to take you seriously, not just because of this instance of jumping to conclusions, but the way you do it ALL OF THE TIME. I could say that the government said that the sky is blue, and you would say "Bullshit, it isn't blue, they are covering up the real color of the sky! Just yesterday it was gray! They are doing something to the sky to make it this light blue color... and it is going to make us all sick"


quote:

how the serach for wmd's going?


Are you insinuating that I ever believed there were WMDs in Iraq? You have me confused with Bush supporters, which I never was one... how is that working for YOU?

I have read your posts for years and years, and you are one step shy of being a David Icke supporter.... the next thing I know you will be telling us that Obama is a reptile related to the Queen of England, and they throw skin shedding parties when they shape shift, seriously dude.



< Message edited by juliaoceania -- 5/2/2011 9:48:18 AM >


_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 269
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:01:27 AM   
Hillwilliam


Posts: 19394
Joined: 8/27/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: starshineowned

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

DNA testing is done by extracting a sample and using DNA polymerase to create more of the molecules.

Step 2. Use a 'restriction enzyme' that recognizes certain sequences and cuts the DNA at those sequences. As everyone's DNA is different, the cuts will yield parts of different lengths.

Step 3. Place the mixture of DNA fragments on a semipermeable gel and place a small DC charge across the gel.

Step 4. The fragments will migrate thru the gel in reverse proportion to their Charge/Mass ratio, (the DNA has a lot of phosphate in it which has a negative charge)

Preliminary results can be obtained in 12-24 hours. If you need a fast quick and dirty, you slightly increase the DC voltage which makes the fragments move a bit faster.

How do I know?


I did it when I was in grad school.


Interesting. So did you have 2 samples available for this testing to show the match? What sort of setup, resources, environment did you need to ensure the results would not be contaminated and possibly skew the results?

starshine


All you need is one small sample to start with and the DNA polymerase will make you as much identical DNA as you want for multiple runs.

As for resources, a well equipped university lab.

As for making sure the DNA wasn't contaminated. See above.

This wasn't a commercial lab where the folks may or may not know which end of a microscope to look into. We (along with other universities) were doing the preliminary research that DNA identification used by police agencies all over the world is based on.

It's like any other test. You can get good results FAST if the people involved are experienced analysts and not techs.

the commercial DNA testing protocols are written so that techs with moderate skill levels can obtain reproducable data that is good enough for a court case.

More competent and experienced lab personnel can obtain data that is at least as, if not more, precise much faster.

I have a feeling they wouldn't trust Bin Laden's (presumed) DNA to some college kid working part time.

_____________________________

Kinkier than a cheap garden hose.

Whoever said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" never heard Right Wing talk radio.

Don't blame me, I voted for Gary Johnson.

(in reply to starshineowned)
Profile   Post #: 270
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:03:22 AM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: starshineowned

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

DNA testing is done by extracting a sample and using DNA polymerase to create more of the molecules.

Step 2. Use a 'restriction enzyme' that recognizes certain sequences and cuts the DNA at those sequences. As everyone's DNA is different, the cuts will yield parts of different lengths.

Step 3. Place the mixture of DNA fragments on a semipermeable gel and place a small DC charge across the gel.

Step 4. The fragments will migrate thru the gel in reverse proportion to their Charge/Mass ratio, (the DNA has a lot of phosphate in it which has a negative charge)

Preliminary results can be obtained in 12-24 hours. If you need a fast quick and dirty, you slightly increase the DC voltage which makes the fragments move a bit faster.

How do I know?


I did it when I was in grad school.


Interesting. So did you have 2 samples available for this testing to show the match? What sort of setup, resources, environment did you need to ensure the results would not be contaminated and possibly skew the results?

starshine


The two samples do not have to be near each other physically or temporally to do a match. Once you run the PCR test you get a sheet with the various markers represented. You can compare that sheet to another done at a different time and place.


(in reply to starshineowned)
Profile   Post #: 271
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:08:40 AM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

well call it anyway you want julia!


It seems some people are determined to think they are being lied

Well that is because we ahve become accustomed to being told the truth all the time!  LOL  Why would we think such a thing! LOL

to before even all of the facts are known. NO FACTS SORRY! I am not one of those people. Why would you jump to conclusions before having all of the facts in hand? It makes it hard to take you seriously, not just because of this instance of jumping to conclusions, but the way you do it ALL OF THE TIME. BEcause I can never find a situation where its 1 for one!  Its always 1 for us 19 for them!  I could say that the government said that the sky is blue, and you would say "Bullshit, it isn't blue, they are covering up the real color of the sky! Well I would be correct as the sky has no color, it is transparent, a perfect example of how BS is passed out by them frankly.  Just yesterday it was gray! They are doing something to the sky to make it this light blue color... and it is going to make us all sick"


quote:

how the serach for wmd's going?


Are you insinuating that I ever believed there were WMDs in Iraq? You have me confused with Bush supporters, which I never was one... how is that working for YOU?

I have read your posts for years and years, and you are one step shy of being a David Icke supporter.... No I can back myself up woith historical records and law.  Icke is into lizards n shit. the next thing I know you will be telling us that Obama is a reptile related to the Queen of England, and they throw skin shedding parties when they shape shift, seriously dude.

Julia you shouldnt join those who are so hard up they go to any extreme to discount opposing view. 
Thats as lame as blaming everything on to adolf hitler and puts most people to sleep now days.




rule number one THERE ARE NO FACTS!

there are only CLAIMS OF FACTS!

that is not the same thing!

rule number two ANY TIME THE GUB OPENS THEIR MOUTH THEY ARE LYING!

Why would I believe them give me 10 verifiable reason you can believe the gub.

Smart money right now is looking behind the scenes because THEY KNOW that something is being done in whispers that they want covered by the shouting.

your ilk is playing into their hand.

< Message edited by Real0ne -- 5/2/2011 10:17:05 AM >


_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to juliaoceania)
Profile   Post #: 272
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:10:13 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
lockaway said...

quote:

and yet....viola....we suddenly found him


No, not suddenly at all--the end of a four year investigation of a tip from a detainee about a courier. From there, a lot of painstakingly patient intelligence work (and the excellent training of the Navy Seals when the time came for the job).

The Seals accomplished the first part in the first few minutes. The rest of their 40 minute visit was gathering evidence (computers, etc.)...be interesting to see what they find (though I suppose it will be classified for quite some time).


(in reply to Hillwilliam)
Profile   Post #: 273
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:11:32 AM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

The two samples do not have to be near each other physically or temporally to do a match. Once you run the PCR test you get a sheet with the various markers represented. You can compare that sheet to another done at a different time and place.




yeh what the hell was the name of that american base where he was in the hospital that the cia went to meet him during 911?  I forgot.  they have plenty of samples of hist blood.  hell like hussien he was a cia asset and the cia protects their own!


_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to DomKen)
Profile   Post #: 274
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:12:58 AM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

lockaway said...

quote:

and yet....viola....we suddenly found him


No, not suddenly at all--the end of a four year investigation of a tip from a detainee about a courier. From there, a lot of painstakingly patient intelligence work (and the excellent training of the Navy Seals when the time came for the job).

The Seals accomplished the first part in the first few minutes. The rest of their 40 minute visit was gathering evidence (computers, etc.)...be interesting to see what they find (though I suppose it will be classified for quite some time).




fucking prove it!

prove tey didnt just run a dry exercize and put this shit up when he really died as bhutta annnounced in 2007

enjoy your koolaid!


_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 275
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:24:19 AM   
maybemaybenot


Posts: 2817
Joined: 9/22/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

The two samples do not have to be near each other physically or temporally to do a match. Once you run the PCR test you get a sheet with the various markers represented. You can compare that sheet to another done at a different time and place.




yeh what the hell was the name of that american base where he was in the hospital that the cia went to meet him during 911?  I forgot.  they have plenty of samples of hist blood.  hell like hussien he was a cia asset and the cia protects their own!




They did it thru Familial DNA testing, RO. His sister had brain cancer and was treated and died at Mass. General Hospital in Boston. Her DNA was taken when she died and has been on file here in Boston for a while. That's the DNA sample they matched it to. QuIte simple really.

And before you pull out a conspriacy theory on that .. here's my answer:

Yes, he has plenty of living brothers and sisters and family members who they could have gotten DNA from. But since they already had a DNA profile on hand, why would they waste more time and money in seeking out and gathering up more DNA. If you have it, use it.

mbmbn

< Message edited by maybemaybenot -- 5/2/2011 10:25:08 AM >


_____________________________

Tolerance of evil is suicide.- NYC Firefighter

When tolerance is not reciprocated, tolerance becomes surrender.

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 276
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:25:28 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
Oy.

You're right. Mothman got him.



Thank you, Mothman!

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 277
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:27:47 AM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
oh dear gawd,  coffee on the monitor
LMAO


_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 278
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:36:29 AM   
ModTwentyOne


Posts: 2504
Status: offline
This thread is about Osama bin Laden being killed. If you choose not to speak to the topic, start your own thread.

Thank you.


_____________________________

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 279
RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD - 5/2/2011 10:45:40 AM   
farglebargle


Posts: 10715
Joined: 6/15/2005
From: Albany, NY
Status: offline
I wonder when the moderate republicans will tire of the 9/11 truthers who believe the US Government orchestrated the attacks, the birthers, and now the OBL Death denialists who will come up with explainations ranging from...

It's better if I just copy/paste

quote:


They burned the helicopter because that's what had been taking the body TO the Bin Laden "death site".

They buried the body at sea because they never killed Bin Laden.

They buried the body at sea because they wanted to cover up that it was a frozen body before being "killed".

They buried the body at sea to comply with Sharia Law.



_____________________________

It's not every generation that gets to watch a civilization fall. Looks like we're in for a hell of a show.

ברוך אתה, אדוני אלוקינו, ריבון העולמים, מי יוצר צמחים ריחניים

(in reply to ModTwentyOne)
Profile   Post #: 280
Page:   <<   < prev  12 13 [14] 15 16   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Bin Laden..........DEAD Page: <<   < prev  12 13 [14] 15 16   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109