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kalikshama -> RE: a terrorist is dead,terrorism lives on (5/3/2011 4:15:02 AM)

Motivation of Terrorists

Attacks on 'collaborators' are used to intimidate people from cooperating with the state in order to undermine state control. This strategy was used in the USA in its War of Independence and in Ireland, in Kenya, in Algeria and in Cyprus in their independence struggles.

Attacks on high profile symbolic targets are used to incite counter-terrorism by the state to polarise the population. This strategy is used by Al Qaeda in its attacks on the USA in September 2001. These attacks are also used to draw international attention to struggles which are otherwise unreported such as the Palestininian airplane hijackings in 1970 and the South Moluccan hostage crises in the Netherlands in 1975.

Abrahm suggests that terrorist organizations do not select terrorism for its political effectiveness.[77] Individual terrorists tend to be motivated more by a desire for social solidarity with other members of their organization than by political platforms or strategic objectives, which are often murky and undefined.[77]




subfever -> RE: a terrorist is dead,terrorism lives on (5/3/2011 8:19:44 AM)

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You have screwed up this quote and are missing the point.


http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/9556.html





rulemylife -> RE: a terrorist is dead,terrorism lives on (5/3/2011 8:53:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The people who flew the planes on 9/11 weren't ignorant. Ignorant people can't pilot jet liners can they?


They didn't pilot them, they hijacked them.

It takes skill to fly an airplane.

It doesn't take any skill to crash one.




Owner59 -> RE: a terrorist is dead,terrorism lives on (5/3/2011 9:06:46 AM)


This is more about justice.



I couldn`t care less what the ney-saying say.


It will certainly be a watershed moment in the war on terrorists and will help us find others.There`s no doubt that this will cripple their operation and get us closer to killing it.


Was it the end-all be-all?

No.

So fuck`n what?

I even heard some cons say that this will make them attack us,that President Obama is putting us at risk.I couldn`t give half my shit about what cowards say about killing obl.That`s no reason not to go after them.




Hillwilliam -> RE: a terrorist is dead,terrorism lives on (5/3/2011 9:24:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59



I even heard some cons say that this will make them attack us,that President Obama is putting us at risk.I couldn`t give half my shit about what cowards say about killing obl.That`s no reason not to go after them.



Let Me guess. Is it EXACTLY the same cons that said during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan "We gotta fight em over there or we'll be fighting them over here"?




thompsonx -> RE: a terrorist is dead,terrorism lives on (5/3/2011 10:19:16 AM)

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Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. […] Is there no other way the world may live?

–Dwight David Eisenhower, “The Chance for Peace,” speech given to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Apr. 16, 1953.

You have screwed up this quote and are missing the point.

What exactly do you feel the point is?

Are you suggesting that we SHOULD have embraced Uncle Stalin and that this has nothing to do with the Korean War?

His nick name (given him by churchill)was uncle joe not uncle stalin.
Why do you feel that it is either an arms race or sucking uncle joe's dick?


The man had been a fisking GENERAL in the military.

And as such had a first hand opportunity to see the disingenuous relationship between the military and the industrialists....It was eisenhower, I believe, who first coined the phrase "military industrial complex" and warned about their pernicious behavior.
He would also have had first hand knowledge of what a stack of 10,000 dead bodies look like.


Perhaps you like Five-Year-Plans



What was it about the two five year plans that you don't like?
Was it that they were completed in in less time than anticipated?
Was it that they were more successful than anticipated?



and Great Purges,

Kinda like a succession of u.s. presidents "purged" a continent of it's native inhabitants?

but I am not so fond of them.

Have you ever done any indipendent research on the things you hate or have you relied for your information from those who also hate that thing?

You can continue being a supporter of Bulganin and Khrushchev if you like, I find them and Stalin, repellent.

You seem to feel that if someone doesn't hate the way you hate then they must love what you hate?.
The term colateral damage has been used a lot here on this forum and it is used to justify some greater good. If you look upon the genocide of the native american as colateral damage in the pursuit of the american dream then how can you not see the corresponding geocide of the ruling class in russia as colateral damage for the soviet dream?





hardcybermaster -> RE: a terrorist is dead,terrorism lives on (5/3/2011 5:10:15 PM)

I seem to remember that some of people they trained with were concearned that they had no interest in how to land a plane
quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The people who flew the planes on 9/11 weren't ignorant. Ignorant people can't pilot jet liners can they?


They didn't pilot them, they hijacked them.

It takes skill to fly an airplane.

It doesn't take any skill to crash one.






tweakabelle -> RE: a terrorist is dead,terrorism lives on (5/3/2011 10:19:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

I seem to remember that some of people they trained with were concearned that they had no interest in how to land a plane
quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The people who flew the planes on 9/11 weren't ignorant. Ignorant people can't pilot jet liners can they?


They didn't pilot them, they hijacked them.

It takes skill to fly an airplane.

It doesn't take any skill to crash one.




That's my memory too hardcybermaster.

Rather than running the risk of hijacking this thread, I will start another thread as soon as I can find a definition of terrorism that works. Which is not quite as easy as it may sound - see wiki on the subject if you're interested. And please feel free to PM me any suggestions ideas etc..




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