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Read your history.

I have.
Importation of slaves into the US was illegal beginning in 1808. As for being arrested, tried, convicted and hung in the US, they didn't bother. They just seized their ships (or shot them out from underneath them)

You seem to have neglected to post the list of ships so destroyed...The navy is usually pretty good about keeping records of the ships they sink


During the embargo, some captains were desparate enough to put their cargo overboard in small boats so the navy would have to spend all their time rescuing the slaves therein and the boat could excape to smuggle another day.

"American policies on the slave trade were confused and often contradictory. The Federal Government had no authority to act on slavery. It did had the right to act on the slave trade. The U.S. Comgress passed the Slave Trade Act (1819). Congress in the Act gave President James Monroe the authority to use the U.S. Navy to end the slave trade. Congress also approved the creation of Liberia as a place where freed slaves could be returned to Africa. Congress next approved an amendment which equated slave trading with piracy, a stiff provision because piracy was punishable by death."

And yet only one slaver captain was ever executed for this by the u.s.

The Brits were the primary keepers of the embargo but the US Navy kept squadrons off the African coast for this purpose.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Read your history.

I have.
Importation of slaves into the US was illegal beginning in 1808. As for being arrested, tried, convicted and hung in the US, they didn't bother. They just seized their ships (or shot them out from underneath them)

You seem to have neglected to post the list of ships so destroyed...The navy is usually pretty good about keeping records of the ships they sink


During the embargo, some captains were desparate enough to put their cargo overboard in small boats so the navy would have to spend all their time rescuing the slaves therein and the boat could excape to smuggle another day.

"American policies on the slave trade were confused and often contradictory. The Federal Government had no authority to act on slavery. It did had the right to act on the slave trade. The U.S. Comgress passed the Slave Trade Act (1819). Congress in the Act gave President James Monroe the authority to use the U.S. Navy to end the slave trade. Congress also approved the creation of Liberia as a place where freed slaves could be returned to Africa. Congress next approved an amendment which equated slave trading with piracy, a stiff provision because piracy was punishable by death."

And yet only one slaver captain was ever executed for this by the u.s.

The Brits were the primary keepers of the embargo but the US Navy kept squadrons off the African coast for this purpose.

So you still got nothing

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

"In 1859 and 1860, seven were seized, resulting in the liberation of nearly 4,300 Africans. "

Quote from "The US Navy and The Slave Trade"

That's a few more than one eh thompson?

Google and 3 minutes is your friend.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

"In 1859 and 1860, seven were seized, resulting in the liberation of nearly 4,300 Africans. "

Quote from "The US Navy and The Slave Trade"

That's a few more than one eh thompson?

Google and 3 minutes is your friend.


Siezed...anyone prosecuted?
Do you figure 7 is like a testament to the aggressiveness of the effort to stop the slave trade?
Is this the epitome of what you can find that the u.s. has done, in the past two hundred thirty odd years, to benifit humanity?
Can no one add to this list?

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Actually, the North American continent has been amazingly peaceful for the last century or so compared to Europe, Asia, S America and Africa.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

"In 1859 and 1860, seven were seized, resulting in the liberation of nearly 4,300 Africans. "

Quote from "The US Navy and The Slave Trade"

That's a few more than one eh thompson?

Google and 3 minutes is your friend.


Siezed...anyone prosecuted?
Do you figure 7 is like a testament to the aggressiveness of the effort to stop the slave trade?
Is this the epitome of what you can find that the u.s. has done, in the past two hundred thirty odd years, to benifit humanity?
Can no one add to this list?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Actually, the North American continent has been amazingly peaceful for the last century or so compared to Europe, Asia, S America and Africa.

Isn't it the point of this thread that the "amazingingly peacful north america (u.s.) has been the aggressor in those situations you mention on the other continents?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

We`ve also done a lot of good.

Wanna list them?

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damn thompson, do I have to take your hand and physically LEAD you?

You seem to be missing the point.
Do you think I do not know how to use google?
The thread is ...the u.s. has meddled ...
The response was that the u.s. had done a lot of good.
I asked to be told what?
Now you want me to go to google and look up someone elses assertion.
That is not how a discussion works.

You claimed ONE.
To the best of my knowledge, I have spent more than a little time researching this,There was only one slave ship captain executed for this.

I showed 7 in a 2 year period. As the embargo went on for decades, I'd say there were a few others wouldn't you? Just because you don't see something right in front of your nose doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You ask if they were prosecuted. Sorry, I have better things to do than to go to Norfolk and look up the ship's logs but as the law of the US equated slavers with pirates, there is a good chance they were summarily executed and the ships were taken as prizes as was done in those days.

Opinion unsupported by fact.
If you do not have the necessary time to research the topic deep enough to make valid contributions to this discussion then why are you here?


The officers and crew split a bounty based on ships seized and Africans rescued.
Would you rather the US had stood idly by and let Hitler consume Europe?

You do not seem to understand the structure or the function of the u.s. involvement in ww 2

Those folks who were hit by the Indonesian Tsunami???????????? FUKUM and let em starve.

Didn't they refused our aid at first and then only accepted when we met their conditions?

There are THOUSANDS of similar humanitarian efforts the US has led but I fully expect you to either ignore them or ask for a list which you will then summarily ignore.

I thought that was the purpose of this discussion

Sorry, little one, I'm not your personal librarian.


Thank you so very much for the new nick name...hmmm what sort of nick name should I give you ...oh I know how about punkass mother fucker???

Deal with it. you made a claim and I shot it full of holes. Try to make a slightly more educated claim next time and it MIGHT stand up.

So far you have shown a lot of opinion and just a smidgen' of fact...my my my 7 siezures and 4300 slaves. What fraction of a percentage point is that to the total number of slaves?

Heck, if you hate this place so much, planes are leaving every day.

Because I point out a fact of history you assume I hate my country...you posses a curious logic train.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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damn thompson, do I have to take your hand and physically LEAD you?

You seem to be missing the point.
Do you think I do not know how to use google?
The thread is ...the u.s. has meddled ...

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

We`ve also done a lot of good.

Wanna list them?

Why do I feel like I am in a Mel Brooks movie?

"Life immitates art"?????

But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Any history book written for someone past the fifth grade would tell you that the above existed long before the romans.

Brought peace?

Oh god, peace, SHUT UP!

Peace through superior firepower[;)]


I swear this crap comes up every couple months or so. Some thread about why America is just so awful.


Awful is a value judgement. If that is the value you place on the actions of the u.s. then that is on you.
I am simply pointing out historical fact...you may put what ever value judgement you choose

I know that it goes back to all the post-colonialism crap. But it does get annoying.

Participation in this thread is voluntary

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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damn thompson, do I have to take your hand and physically LEAD you?

You seem to be missing the point.
Do you think I do not know how to use google?
The thread is ...the u.s. has meddled ...
The response was that the u.s. had done a lot of good.
I asked to be told what?
Now you want me to go to google and look up someone elses assertion.
That is not how a discussion works.

You claimed ONE.
To the best of my knowledge, I have spent more than a little time researching this,There was only one slave ship captain executed for this.

I showed 7 in a 2 year period. As the embargo went on for decades, I'd say there were a few others wouldn't you? Just because you don't see something right in front of your nose doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You ask if they were prosecuted. Sorry, I have better things to do than to go to Norfolk and look up the ship's logs but as the law of the US equated slavers with pirates, there is a good chance they were summarily executed and the ships were taken as prizes as was done in those days.

Opinion unsupported by fact.
If you do not have the necessary time to research the topic deep enough to make valid contributions to this discussion then why are you here?


The officers and crew split a bounty based on ships seized and Africans rescued.
Would you rather the US had stood idly by and let Hitler consume Europe?

You do not seem to understand the structure or the function of the u.s. involvement in ww 2

Those folks who were hit by the Indonesian Tsunami???????????? FUKUM and let em starve.

Didn't they refused our aid at first and then only accepted when we met their conditions?

There are THOUSANDS of similar humanitarian efforts the US has led but I fully expect you to either ignore them or ask for a list which you will then summarily ignore.

I thought that was the purpose of this discussion

Sorry, little one, I'm not your personal librarian.


Thank you so very much for the new nick name...hmmm what sort of nick name should I give you ...oh I know how about punkass mother fucker???

Deal with it. you made a claim and I shot it full of holes. Try to make a slightly more educated claim next time and it MIGHT stand up.

So far you have shown a lot of opinion and just a smidgen' of fact...my my my 7 siezures and 4300 slaves. What fraction of a percentage point is that to the total number of slaves?

Heck, if you hate this place so much, planes are leaving every day.

Because I point out a fact of history you assume I hate my country...you posses a curious logic train.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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damn thompson, do I have to take your hand and physically LEAD you?

You seem to be missing the point.
Do you think I do not know how to use google?
The thread is ...the u.s. has meddled ...

"blah blah blah ....  "


Come back when you can figure out how to use the proper response button as to make a coherent response with out making the whole thing one giant quote block.

Typically when one has nothing of substance to post they resort to pointing out spelling errors and posting style

I know that you are busy pulling your skirts up in telling us that Stalin invented women's suffrage and universal education all by himself,

You said that not me


if in reality decades after the fact elsewhere, but you have a ways to go yet before you could realistically expect anyone with half a mind to entertain your unimaginative paint throwing and pot bashing, no claimed good purpose in mind with any of it.

Were you going to post something on topic or have you just come here to show your ass?

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tommy boy, everything I posted was facts. What were you saying was an opinon? You are kinda like a left wing version of sanity. A cross between a 3 year old saying why why why why and an ankle humping mutt. Yes, the US has done things that were bad for other countries. They have also done things that were very good. You pooh pooh 4300 potential slaves saved in 2 years. Tell that to them and their descendents awwwwwww hell, just let em go on to Brazil or Cuba. It's only 4300 or so.

Try posting something that you claim is a fact. I need the target practice.