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Brain -> Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 12:02:53 AM)

Like Obama said Trump is making the important decisions that would keep Obama up at night.


Just what kind of student was Donald Trump?
He claims President Obama was a "terrible" student, but Trump's own academic history raises serious questions

"I decided that as long as I had to be in college, I might as well test myself against the best," he explains in his 1989 autobiography, "The Art of the Deal."

Trump has consistently portrayed himself as an exceptional student at Wharton. In March, for example, he explained his doubts about the president's birthplace by saying, "Let me tell you, I’m a really smart guy. I was a really good student at the best school in the country."

In 2004, Trump told CNN, "I went to the Wharton School of Finance, I got very good marks, I was a good student, it's the best business school in the world, as far as I'm concerned."Over the years, myriad profiles of Trump have claimed that he was "first in his class" at Wharton in 1968.

Here's what the New York Times reported in a January 1973 piece:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/03/donald_trump_wharton


Donald Trump

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Fellow -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 1:44:33 AM)

Most people know (subconsciously) when they see very smart and educated person. Donald is not such a person. Compared to an average, he may be OK. G.W. Bush had D grade average, J. F. Kerry had D-. Nobody cared. Poor education could be a plus (not elitist), people identify as one of their own [ http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/report-nearly-half-of-detroiters-cant-read/ ].




DarkSteven -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 5:45:16 AM)

Trump is very good at creating an image.  He's not one to let truth stand in his way.

All it'll take is one interviewer asking him about this kind of crap, and he'll melt down, like he did after Obama and Seth Meyers roasted him.




Musicmystery -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 5:48:02 AM)

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G.W. Bush had D grade average, J. F. Kerry had D-


Really, check your facts before "stating" data.

You are correct that no one cares. In fact, in the U.S., people are often proud of ignorance--literally.






Sanity -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:02:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Most people know (subconsciously) when they see very smart and educated person. Donald is not such a person. Compared to an average, he may be OK. G.W. Bush had D grade average, J. F. Kerry had D-. Nobody cared. Poor education could be a plus (not elitist), people identify as one of their own [ http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/report-nearly-half-of-detroiters-cant-read/ ].


Not quite

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(AP)  Sen. John F. Kerry's grade average at Yale University was virtually identical to President Bush's record there, despite repeated portrayals of Kerry as the more intellectual candidate during the 2004 presidential campaign.

Kerry had a cumulative average of 76 and got four Ds his freshman year - in geology, two history courses and political science, The Boston Globe reported Tuesday.

His grades improved with time, and he averaged an 81 his senior year and earned an 89 - his highest grade - in political science as a senior.

"I always told my dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said in a written response to reporters' questions. He said he has previously acknowledged focusing more on learning to fly than studying.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade.

In 1999, The New Yorker magazine published a transcript showing Bush had a cumulative grade average of 77 his first three years at Yale, and a similar average under a non-numerical rating system his senior year.

Bush's highest grade at Yale was an 88 in anthropology, history and philosophy. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy, and improved his grades after his freshman year, the transcript showed.

Kerry, a Democrat, previously declined to release the transcript, which was included in his Navy records. He gave the Navy permission to release the documents last month, the Globe reported.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/07/politics/main700170.shtml


Meanwhile, I dont know about Trump but its widely known that Obama steadfastly refuses to release his college records.




Sanity -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:04:08 AM)


In fact, many leftists wear their contempt for America and for Americans on their sleeves.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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G.W. Bush had D grade average, J. F. Kerry had D-


Really, check your facts before "stating" data.

You are correct that no one cares. In fact, in the U.S., people are often proud of ignorance--literally.







pahunkboy -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:14:11 AM)

His education allowed him to become with trillions.       So  yeah-  good student of something.  (mainly BS)

Read his book  "Art of the Deal",  the guy is a total player.




Musicmystery -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:18:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


In fact, many leftists wear their contempt for America and for Americans on their sleeves.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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G.W. Bush had D grade average, J. F. Kerry had D-


Really, check your facts before "stating" data.

You are correct that no one cares. In fact, in the U.S., people are often proud of ignorance--literally.



Huh? Complete non sequitur.

Certainly contempt for the Constitution is rampant on both extremes, whenever it's found inconvenient.

But an entirely different subject.




DarkSteven -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:26:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Meanwhile, I dont know about Trump but its widely known that Obama steadfastly refuses to release his college records.



The guy headed up the Harvard Law Review.  That isn't a post given to failing students.

Killing OBL means that Obama won't release his college transcripts.  No need.  He's established that he's legit.

Seriously, this is ridiculous.  What other President has been asked to produce documentation like this before?




Real0ne -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:27:04 AM)

why would anyone have contempt for a contract that presumes to have dictatorial power over them as cits?

Being at the behest of the MOB is a good thing is it not?




Real0ne -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:29:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Meanwhile, I dont know about Trump but its widely known that Obama steadfastly refuses to release his college records.



The guy headed up the Harvard Law Review.  That isn't a post given to failing students.

Killing OBL means that Obama won't release his college transcripts.  No need.  He's established that he's legit.

Seriously, this is ridiculous.  What other President has been asked to produce documentation like this before?



what prazze' dante' has ever been considered by the public as a fraud before

changing times.

There is no reason for the guv to hide anything EXCEPT if fraud is involved and fraud always is involved.  Thats what happens when you have mob rule.




Sanity -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:37:56 AM)


The fact remains, he refuses to release his records, and it may not be PC to point it out but its a fact that minorities sometimes get into such positions just because they are minorities

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

The guy headed up the Harvard Law Review.  That isn't a post given to failing students.

Killing OBL means that Obama won't release his college transcripts.  No need.  He's established that he's legit.

Seriously, this is ridiculous.  What other President has been asked to produce documentation like this before?





LaTigresse -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:39:39 AM)

Donald Trump is today's version of P.T. Barnum. More clown and magician than anything else. 




imperatrixx -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:40:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
The fact remains, he refuses to release his records, and it may not be PC to point it out but its a fact that minorities sometimes get into such positions just because they are minorities


Generally affirmative action only works when the person is actually qualified. They might not be the best in the world, or even better than a white person who was also considered, but not being the best doesn't make them wholly unqualified.




mnottertail -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:45:05 AM)

And you are releasing your records, tell us what you do, show a picture, give us your data, because it is germane in what way?

What was Abe Lincolns GPA?   Did anyone check on Button Gwinnetts grade school shenanigans?

There has to be dirt there somewhere to take us off the fact the the republicans are failing miserably and the deficit is climbing, and they are being recalled as incompetent in Wisconsin, and even supporting unfettered speculation in the foodstuffs and oil markets which is destroying America.  




housesub4you -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:46:06 AM)

Actually he released all that when he was running for President, just like Bush released his when he was running, as did Clinton and just about every other person running. 

However, just like Bush and several presidents before him, once they are elected, information becomes harder to attain.  Look at Bush's record in the military, while he was running, the whole document was released, however once elected certain information was blacked out.  Who knows why...  Some of the information was taken from public record for archiving in his personal library.

But at no time has anyone asked a sitting President to prove he was born in this country, or to produce his college transcripts...Just the Black One...if you listen to Trump, you can hear the racial undertones....unless of course you choose not to..

Hell, all Trump cares about is his dying TV ratings....Now that the birth issue is dead he needs something new to scream from his soapbox








Musicmystery -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:49:35 AM)

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even supporting unfettered speculation in the foodstuffs and oil markets which is destroying America


And globally, far worse.

This is what we all should actually be talking about--and doing something about.

To be fair, though, I'm not sure what. Futures play an important role, and the current speculation comes in search of larger returns than the other markets currently. All fair game. But it's something we're going to have to face in some fashion.




mnottertail -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:53:06 AM)

At least this:

Simultaneous and identical actions of United States Steel and other leading steal corporations increasing steel prices by some $6 a ton constitute a wholly unjustifiable and irresponsible defiance of the public interest. In this serious hour in our Nation's history when we are confronted with grave crises in Berlin and Southeast Asia, when we are devoting our energies to economic recovery and stability, when we are asking reservists to leave their homes and their families for months on end and servicemen to risk their lives--and four were killed in the last two days in Viet Nam and asking union members to hold down their wage requests at a time when restraint and sacrifice are being asked of every citizen, the American people will find it hard, as I do, to accept a situation in which a tiny handful of steel executives whose pursuit of private power and profit exceeds their sense of public responsibility can show such utter contempt for the interests of 185 million Americans.
If this rise in the cost of steel is imitated by the rest of the industry, instead of rescinded, it would increase the cost of homes, autos, appliances, and most other items for every American family. It would increase the cost of machinery and tools to every American businessman and farmer. It would seriously handicap our efforts to prevent an inflationary spiral from eating up the pensions of our older citizens, and our new gains in purchasing power.
It would add, Secretary McNamara informed me this morning, an estimated $1 billion to the cost of our defences, at a time when every dollar is needed for national security and other purposes. It would make it more difficult for American goods to compete in foreign markets, more difficult to withstand competition from foreign imports, and thus more difficult to improve our balance of payments position, and stem the flow of gold. And it is necessary to stem it for our national security, if we're going to pay for our security committments abroad. And it would surely handicap our efforts to induce other industries and unions to adopt reasonable price and wage policies.
The facts of the matter are that there is no justification for an increase in steel prices. The recent settlement between the industry and the union, which doesn not even take place until July 1st, was widely acknowledged to be noninflationary, and the whole purpose and effect of this Administration's role, which both parties understood, was to achieve an agreement which would make unnecessary any increase in prices. Steel output per man is rising so fast that labor costs per ton of steel can actually be expected to decline in the next 12 months. And in fact, the acting Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics informed me this morning that, and I quote, "employment costs per unit of steel output in 1961 were essentially the same as they were in 1958."
The cost of the major raw materials, steel scrap and coal, has also been declining, and for an industry which has generally been operating at less than two-thirds of capacity, its profit rate has been normal and can be expected to rise sharply this year in view of the reduction in idle capacity. Their lot has been easier than that of one hundred thousand steel workers thrown out of work in the last 3 years. The industry's cash dividends have exceeded $600 million in each of the last 5 years, and earnings in the first quarter of this year were estimated in the February 28th Wall Street Journal to be among the highest in history.
In short, at a time when they could be exploring how more efficiency and better prices could be obtained, reducing prices in this industry in recognition of lower costs, their unusually good labor contract, their foreign competition and their increase in production and profits which are coming this year, a few gigantic corporations have decided to increase prices in ruthless disregard of their public responsibilities.
The Steelworkers Union can be proud that it abided by its responsibilities in this agreement, and this Government also has responsibilities which we intend to meet. The Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission are examining the significance of this action in a free, competetive economy. The Department of Defence and other agencies are reviewing its impact on their policies of procurement. And I am informed that steps are under way by those members of the Congress who plan appropriate inquiries into how these price decisions are so quickly made and reached and what legislative safeguards may be needed to protect the public interest.
Price and wage decisions in this country, except for a very limited restriction in the case of monopolies and national emergency strikes, are and ought to be freely and privately made. But the American people have a right to expect, in return for that freedom, a higher sense of business responsibility for the welfare of their country than has been shown in the last 2 days.
Some time ago I asked each American to consider what he would do for his country and I asked the steel companies. In the last 24 hours we had their answer.



And windfall profits taxed at 100%.




Musicmystery -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:53:13 AM)

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What was Abe Lincolns GPA?


Lincoln didn't attend college.




mnottertail -> RE: Just what kind of student was Donald Trump? (5/5/2011 6:58:24 AM)

Oh, yeah, thats right he only oversaw and created the land-grant colleges in Utica, NY in Minnesota and several other famous ones that have educated many of our leaders and innovative Americans.

The same educational systems that the republicans are trying to destroy and claim are a liberal evil.  I guess they were for education before they were against it.  THA-DUNK, Lincoln goes under the bus again.

Thats another reason that I say there are only two real republicans I am sure of out here, you and me, Professor.   The rest who lay claim to this are lacking in any respect to what ideals the party was created on. 




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