quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Except there's no "model" in that, and nothing sold. It's what happened.

quote:

ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome

MusicMystery,

To quote you "Only then will [the people] be able to pull themselves up", that seems an off comment. Do you not believe that the people (govt.) who we pay taxes to have a responsibility to the American taxpayers, to conduct themselves with stewardship with our money, so that we taxpayers won't have to "pull ourselves up"? Surely you don't think the American taxpayers are on their own, alone for their futures? Where's the patriotism, and the sense of country in that? Isn't it that same patriotism and sense of country that demands we send our men overseas to fight wars which the United Nations has declared to be illegal? Don't forget now, George W. Bush said "You're either with us, or with the terrorists", which I guess means that the United Nations sided with the terrorists.

No, the government has a responsibility to keep its fucking hands off the money we the people make, except for what is authorized by the Constitution without asinine expansin of the "Commerce Clause".

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Except there's no "model" in that, and nothing sold. It's what happened.

Only if you believe in chance.  Another fiction model I wont get suckered into..

Anytime someone concludes something "just happened" you have not properly done your homework.

~Harsh Reality

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome

MusicMystery,

To quote you "Only then will [the people] be able to pull themselves up", that seems an off comment. Do you not believe that the people (govt.) who we pay taxes to have a responsibility to the American taxpayers, to conduct themselves with stewardship with our money, so that we taxpayers won't have to "pull ourselves up"? Surely you don't think the American taxpayers are on their own, alone for their futures? Where's the patriotism, and the sense of country in that? Isn't it that same patriotism and sense of country that demands we send our men overseas to fight wars which the United Nations has declared to be illegal? Don't forget now, George W. Bush said "You're either with us, or with the terrorists", which I guess means that the United Nations sided with the terrorists.

No, the government has a responsibility to keep its fucking hands off the money we the people make, except for what is authorized by the Constitution without asinine expansin of the "Commerce Clause".

Further, slave, that's not at my point. I'm not arguing philosophy or ethics.

If you're looking for an implicit message anyway, it's this--blame the government if you like. Make a great case for it. Wait for things to change. Where does that leave you? Or....recognize the situation for what it is and adapt.

I'd rather be happy. I can't do that by controlling the rest of the world.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Except there's no "model" in that, and nothing sold. It's what happened.

Only if you believe in chance.  Another fiction model I wont get suckered into..

Anytime someone concludes something "just happened" you have not properly done your homework.

~Harsh Reality

You are such an idiot.

I didn't say it "just happened." In fact, I outlined the causes.

It is, however, "what happened," which is what I said.

Call it fiction if it suits your misbegotten purpose. The rest of us will deal with it as history.

quote:

whats to be happy about?
~lincoln

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

"Trickle down" has been replaced by the "Flood Up" effect. Not just in the US but in other Western countries too. Australia follows a pretty similar economic course to the US and we have a Flood Up happening here too.

What's the "Flood Up" effect? Pretty simple. Massive flows of wealth to the already rich from the middle and lower classes. Broken unions, deregulation, free trade and free flows of capital etc have all had the same predictable effect of greatly increasing the wealth and assets of the rich. It's been the story of the past few decades here and in the US too I'm advised.

It's really time that trickle down got trickled off and flood up got f**ked off permanently. Your purse/wallet is a far more reliable guide to the economy than any economist will ever be. This is the golden rule of tweakenomics!


Edited to add: Nice to see you again UWillbePoorAsLongAsUListen2me .....ooops! I mean NewOCDaddy

all UK common law "based" countries follow suit.  There is a reason for that.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

whats to be happy about?
~lincoln

I have many things. Best wishes for you and Abe.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Selectivelight

If you want a demonstration of the trickle down theory in action, go stand directly behind an elephant for a few hours. Oh, you might want an umbrella and a shovel. Don't wear your Sunday best, either.

The main problem with the trickle down theory is that it doesn't trickle down. If you give a rich man money, it doesn't go back into the economy. It goes to one of three places as a general rule. To an offshore bank, to bribes that seek to get the rich man more money, or to an estate where it sits for fifty or sixty years before being passed to the rich man's scion.

If you were to give that same money to the poor, they'd spend it. Not always in sane, rational ways, but they would in fact be putting the money back into play. It's not the most exciting, revolutionary idea ever, but it at least has a better grip on reality.

If you really wanted to do this country some good, you'd be focusing on creating a more level playing field for businesses, big and small. As it stands, a national chain moves into a small town, and the local businesses can't compete. They shut down, left and right. With little variance.

These local businesses, for the most part, employ local people, purchase local goods and services, and pay taxes. We desperately need them to succeed.... or we need to change our bullshit tax code so -everyone- pays taxes. Including major corporations and the obscenely rich.

There are many roads to prosperity. There is no single path that we must all adhere to. Unfortunately, the long-standing policy of catering only to the rich is not a road to prosperity. It will (and perhaps already has) bring ruin to this nation.