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Sanity -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/6/2011 8:42:05 AM)


Again, in the context of the discussion, in the parameters that were given, stocks were indeed down.




Real0ne -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/6/2011 11:24:39 AM)

so much for the FREE MARKET!

Myths for 200!


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The  'new economy' is playing a role:

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Commodities Plunge for a Fifth Consecutive Day on ‘Panic’ Among Investors

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Commodities fell for a fifth day, extending the biggest rout since December 2008, as investors cut their holdings in oil, silver and industrial metals amid concern that economic growth will slow.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Commodities-Plunge-for-a-bloomberg-3399991243.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=3&asset=&ccode=


Except that stocks rose at the same time.

This is a first...but pahb is right on this one.



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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

What happened?

The COMEX raised margin limits 5 times in the past week. Which in a way is a good thing because people should not be using leverage for this.

All commodities took a hit. (to include - my precious metals... guys on the silver board despondent... but when ever- I can still pay my bills. We deserve it - because we were gloating)

To respond to the OP- margin limits have increased.... that is the reason for the drop. Yay for cheaper prices.

:-)







EternalHoH -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/6/2011 12:06:38 PM)

Its not so much that gas goes way up, followed by a big drop. This is basically the second big wave in the last 5 years. What matters are the changes to commodity regs, back in 2000, that allowed the excessive see-saw pattern to begin with, and our apparent inability (or non-desire) to stop the excessive see-saw pricing action.

The ignorant masses are simply in an anger/relief cycle, all the while their pockets are being picked right to the brink of recession by the Larry Summers and Robert Rubin derivatives crowd.

Oil is going down because the investors who hold commodity 'paper' as investments are running for the exits.

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Edwynn -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/6/2011 12:36:36 PM)




The oil industry had their people in place when all the mergers got approved, the FTC and anti-trust division of the justice department essentially run by oil company employees or lobbyists. What a coincidence, all the financial industry mergers and 'liberalization' occurring in lock step with all that.

Anyone else notice? the deregulation referred to as "The Financial Services Modernization Act" and "The Commodity Futures Modernization Act" set things back to where they were 80 or 110 years ago. Modernization indeed!


Those guys have the most wonderful sense of humor!










SilverMark -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/6/2011 2:07:11 PM)

http://www.indystar.com/article/20110506/BUSINESS/105060407/Oil-price-falls-gas-could-drop-3-50-by-summer?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com Not so sure if I care how we get there just hope we do!




NewOCDaddy -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/6/2011 4:32:57 PM)


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As an aside, Silver has tanked in the last month as well. What's hunky gonna do?


Nothing.  I am not a margin trader or a day trader.   I dont even have a loss till if goes under $9.   (shup ego. lol)

Cheaper gas is a good- thing- milk and eggs- and chicken will come down. Yay for that.




Again, I'm with pahb on this one. It was a cheap shot, and he has a solid response.


He doesnt have a solid response until he sells at a profit. Till then all his "hoarding" advice is hot air, cherrypicking dates to show metals in their best possible light and making asinine posts about what blah blah blah bought at such and such a date will buy today, when an indexed stock fund would buy far more.




rulemylife -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/6/2011 4:47:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Almost forgot... as for inflation, thats been the news as well, hasnt it.

Its here, and it is very real.



Didn't we already discus this nonsense?

The inflation average for 2010 was 1.6%.

If you don't have the intelligence to invest your money at a rate higher than that I don't know what to tell you.




Real0ne -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 6:10:07 AM)

sure but no one looks at the cumulative graph which is not a pretty straight line but straight up now days




Sanity -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 6:46:37 AM)


Yes, we did discuss it

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3659049

The real rate of inflation is around 10%.

Its not just savings that are destroyed by such devastating inflation but peoples paychecks are worth less and less, its especially hard on the poor. Think struggling single parents and the elderly on fixed incomes, and so on

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Almost forgot... as for inflation, thats been the news as well, hasnt it.

Its here, and it is very real.



Didn't we already discus this nonsense?

The inflation average for 2010 was 1.6%.

If you don't have the intelligence to invest your money at a rate higher than that I don't know what to tell you.





mnottertail -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 6:50:53 AM)

http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/historicalinflation.aspx

Well, this inflation creep has been around for a long long time.  




Sanity -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 6:56:10 AM)


Inflation hasnt been this bad for a long time though

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Food Prices Rise to Near-Record as Inflation Accelerates


World food prices rose to near a record in April as grain costs advanced, adding pressure to inflation that is accelerating from Beijing to Brasilia and spurring central banks to raise interest rates.


An index of 55 commodities rose to 232.1 points from 231 points in March, the United Nations’ Rome-based Food and Agriculture Organization said in a report on its website today. The gauge climbed to an all-time high of 237.2 in February before dropping 2.6 percent in March.


The cost of living in the U.S. rose at its fastest pace since December 2009 in the 12 months ended in March, the same month in which Chinese consumer prices rose by the most since 2008. The European Central Bank raised interest rates on April 7, joining China, India, Poland and Sweden in a bid to control inflation partly blamed on food costs. Costlier food also contributed to riots across northern Africa and the Middle East that toppled leaders in Egypt and Tunisia this year. 

Full article at http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/food-prices-approach-record-high-as-grain-prices-fuel-inflation-worldwide.html




pahunkboy -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 6:59:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

As an aside, Silver has tanked in the last month as well. What's hunky gonna do?


Nothing.  I am not a margin trader or a day trader.   I dont even have a loss till if goes under $9.   (shup ego. lol)

Cheaper gas is a good- thing- milk and eggs- and chicken will come down. Yay for that.




Again, I'm with pahb on this one. It was a cheap shot, and he has a solid response.


He doesnt have a solid response until he sells at a profit. Till then all his "hoarding" advice is hot air, cherrypicking dates to show metals in their best possible light and making asinine posts about what blah blah blah bought at such and such a date will buy today, when an indexed stock fund would buy far more.



HAHAHAHA!    Yeah  good one!    LOLOL




popeye1250 -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 9:51:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Just the facts:

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U.S. Payrolls Grew 244,000 in April; Unemployment at 9%



American employers in April added more jobs than forecast, indicating the world’s largest economy is weathering the impact of higher fuel prices.


Payrolls expanded by 244,000 last month, the biggest gain since May 2010, after a revised 221,000 increase the prior month, the Labor Department said today in Washington. The jobless rate climbed to 9 percent, the first increase since November, a separate survey of households showed. Employment was forecast to grow by 185,000 last month, according to the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.


Stocks jumped after four days of losses, commodities rallied and bonds slid as the report eased concern that the economic recovery is cooling. The figures bolster Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke’s forecast for a labor market that is “improving gradually.”


“This is good news, and it’s getting better,” James Glassman, senior economist at JP Morgan Chase & Co. in New York, said in a radio interview on “Bloomberg Surveillance” with Tom Keene. “People increasingly are becoming more confident that we are on a recovery track.”


The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index advanced 1.1 percent to 1,349.13 at 10:15 a.m. in New York. The Thomson Reuters/Jefferies CRB Index of commodities added 0.4 percent, erasing an earlier decline as oil reversed a 5.2 percent slide. The yield on the benchmark 10-year note increased to 3.2 percent from 3.15 percent as Treasuries halted a six-day rally.

Full article at: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-06/u-s-payrolls-increased-244-000-in-april-unemployment-rate-climbs-to-9-.html


Apparently, if I read this right oil is headed back up




According to CNBC the "real" rate of unemployment is closer to 16% and the "real" rate of inflation is 10%.
They said that the unemployment level is "closer to Depression era levels than Recession levels.
And I've even heard talk of bringing back factories from overseas!
Of course "Washington" would never acknowledge those figures!
"Hey, we're "transparent" but we're not THAT fucking transparent!"
Just go to the grocery store and look at the prices instead of just grabbing stuff and throwing it into your cart.
I save all my receipts, I have a big box for each year, "2006", "2007" etc and I tend to buy the same things when I shop and I can see that inflation is indeed closer to 10% than 1.5%. There's no gray area there, figures and amounts on the receipts don't lie.
I had a professor in college who used to tell us; "mathematics is not an "opinion."
And fuel costs *surely do* get passed on to the consumer at the grocery store!
For the last year or two people like Jim Rodgers have been telling investors to "buy commodities not stocks."
Naturally commodities have been bid up over the last two years and many people are cashing out.
CNBC the other day reported that the average purchase at the pump for gasoline has been dropping for the last two months as many people stop filling up and only buy $10 or $15 worth of gas at a time. When that "pain level" is reached you know prices will have to start comming down as fuel starts to "back up" in the system. And that "pain level" seems to kick in at around $3.30 to $3.50 per gallon. That's it's "resistance level."
A few years ago when gas hit $4.00 everything just fell off a cliff! Restaurants receipts here were down by 40%!
When gas prices hit $4.00 per gallon here a few years ago I was buying 3 to 5 gallons at a time and I can afford to pay $4.00.
I figured why should I be "storing" 15 gallons of fuel for the big oil companies?
All the commodities are in a severe bubble now and they're going to fall. PaHunk, you'll never go broke taking a profit!
We're probably going to see a big correction over the next month or so.




NewOCDaddy -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 10:24:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

As an aside, Silver has tanked in the last month as well. What's hunky gonna do?


Nothing.  I am not a margin trader or a day trader.   I dont even have a loss till if goes under $9.   (shup ego. lol)

Cheaper gas is a good- thing- milk and eggs- and chicken will come down. Yay for that.




Again, I'm with pahb on this one. It was a cheap shot, and he has a solid response.


He doesnt have a solid response until he sells at a profit. Till then all his "hoarding" advice is hot air, cherrypicking dates to show metals in their best possible light and making asinine posts about what blah blah blah bought at such and such a date will buy today, when an indexed stock fund would buy far more.



HAHAHAHA!    Yeah  good one!    LOLOL



Everytime Ive seen one of your ridiculous "a 19xx silver quarter today would buy" Ive posted what the S&P has returned over the same period. Somehow you never manage to respond. Why? Because your full of shit.




pahunkboy -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 10:47:47 AM)

^  If we want to discuss silver we would need to start another thread.    This thread is about the cost of gasoline dropping this week. 




NewOCDaddy -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 10:50:03 AM)


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  This thread is about the cost of gasoline dropping this week. 


Not even a little surprising to anyone who read my post in the original $5 a gallon thread. :)




tazzygirl -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 11:02:28 AM)

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Cheaper gas is a good- thing- milk and eggs- and chicken will come down. Yay for that.


Your kidding, right? Those prices wont drop. They are staples... and as such, easy to manipulate. Once the price increases, they will remain. Look to the costs after Katrina for proof.




NewOCDaddy -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 11:16:44 AM)


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Cheaper gas is a good- thing- milk and eggs- and chicken will come down. Yay for that.


Your kidding, right? Those prices wont drop. They are staples... and as such, easy to manipulate. Once the price increases, they will remain. Look to the costs after Katrina for proof.

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chicken


ROFL. Yup "Staples" are immune to supply and demand.




tazzygirl -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 11:25:43 AM)

~sighs

No willbe. As per your typical course, you twist things inside out. What incentive is there to lower prices once they have risen? None. And they havent dropped. Occassionally you will see a sale, but the levels food prices rose too during the post Katrina gas hikes.... and said to be a result of the gas prices which did come down... remain the same.




NewOCDaddy -> RE: What happened to that gas? (5/7/2011 11:33:29 AM)

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~sighs

No willbe. As per your typical course, you twist things inside out. What incentive is there to lower prices once they have risen? None. And they havent dropped. Occassionally you will see a sale, but the levels food prices rose too during the post Katrina gas hikes.... and said to be a result of the gas prices which did come down... remain the same.


Ridiculous. Prices of staples fluctuate up and DOWN all the time, with supply and demand.

The volatility of food prices is the reason they are excluded from core inflation for predicting overall inflation.




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