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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 5:54:21 PM   
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Aiding and abetting terrorists, shooting at our jets, violating UN sanctions, defying the UN, attempting to assassinate one of our ex presidents, invading neighboring countries...



Yeah, but that isn't really what Bush told Congress was his reason for killing US Soldiers instead of hunting down Osama bin Laden.

What Bush told everyone was that Hussein had:

38,000 liters of botulinum toxin;

500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents.

and let's not forget mobile biological weapons labs

But hey, as long as I'm being thorough, let's really analyze Bush's alleged guilt.

D. On September 7, 2002, appearing publicly with Blair, BUSH claimed a recent IAEA report stated that Iraq was "six months away from developing a [nuclear] weapon" and "I don't know what more evidence we need," which statements were made without basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that: (1) the IAEA had not even been present in Iraq since 1998; and (2) the report the IAEA did write in 1998 had concluded there was no indication that Iraq had the physical capacity to produce weapons-usable nuclear material or that it had attempted to obtain such material.

I. On October 7, 2002, in Cincinnati, Ohio, BUSH made numerous deliberately misleading statements to the nation, including stating that in comparison to Iran and North Korea, Iraq posed a uniquely serious threat, which statement BUSH well knew was false and fraudulent in that it omitted to state the material fact that a State Department representative had been informed just three days previously that North Korea had actually already produced nuclear weapons. The defendants continued to conceal this information until after Congress passed the Authorization to Use Military Force against Iraq.

J. Between September 1, 2002, and November 2, 2002, BUSH traveled the country making in excess of thirty congressional-campaign speeches in which he falsely and fraudulently asserted that Iraq was a "serious threat" which required immediate action, when as he well knew, this assertion was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth.

K. In his January 28, 2003 State of the Union address, BUSH announced that the "British have recently learned that Iraq was seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa" which statement was fraudulent and misleading and made with reckless disregard for the truth, in that it falsely implied that the information was true, when the CIA had advised the administration more than once that the allegation was unsupported by available intelligence.

M. On March 18, 2003, BUSH sent a letter to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate which asserted that further reliance on diplomatic and peaceful means alone would not either: (1) adequately protect United States national security against the "continuing threat posed by Iraq" or (2) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant UN Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, which statement was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that, as BUSH well knew, the U.S. intelligence community had never reported that Iraq posed an urgent threat to the United States and there was no evidence whatsoever to prove that Iraq had either the means or intent to attack the U.S. directly or indirectly. The statement was also false because, as BUSH well knew, the UN weapons inspectors had not found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and wanted to continue the inspection process because it was working well.

N. In the same March 18, 2003 letter, BUSH also represented that taking action pursuant to the Resolution was "consistent with continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001," which statement was entirely false and without reasonable basis in that, as BUSH well knew, Iraq had no involvement with al Qaeda or the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:00:36 PM   
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I hate to tell you this, and perhaps you already know, but the conservatives on this site will say that everything you posted is false information created by the liberal media and liberals in general.

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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:02:23 PM   
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Don't forget the 'maniacal' part.



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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:03:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I hate to tell you this, and perhaps you already know, but the conservatives on this site will say that everything you posted is false information created by the liberal media and liberals in general.



Isn't that easier than trying to refute it with facts or logic...or baring that admitting guilt?

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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:04:33 PM   
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Yea.....uhmmmm...Gee.....Facts do not sit well with the righties on this site.

In the future, please only use Faux News and right wing blogs for your information. 

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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:08:29 PM   
farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I hate to tell you this, and perhaps you already know, but the conservatives on this site will say that everything you posted is false information created by the liberal media and liberals in general.


I'm well aware that the Teabaggers, Truthers Birthers, and Deathers are comprised essentially of the lowest morons, insane and racists who despite the evidence offered will never accept that a black man can legitimately be President of the United States.

And you are correct, people of those particular beliefs aren't going to be swayed by *any* argument. But everyone else ( the sane ones... ) see through their thinly-veiled bullshit at this point, and the Moderates will continue tossing the Teabaggers, Truthers, Birthers and Deathers out of the RNC. It's either that or hold your nose and vote for the Democrat -- just like NY-23 all over again....

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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:13:11 PM   
Sanity


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Dont forget the racers...

Those who believe anyone who disagrees with leftists has to be a racist.

Need I mention youre commenting on a thread thats primarily about a Condi Rice interview?

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I hate to tell you this, and perhaps you already know, but the conservatives on this site will say that everything you posted is false information created by the liberal media and liberals in general.


I'm well aware that the Teabaggers, Truthers Birthers, and Deathers are comprised essentially of the lowest morons, insane and racists who despite the evidence offered will never accept that a black man can legitimately be President of the United States.

And you are correct, people of those particular beliefs aren't going to be swayed by *any* argument. But everyone else ( the sane ones... ) see through their thinly-veiled bullshit at this point, and the Moderates will continue tossing the Teabaggers, Truthers, Birthers and Deathers out of the RNC. It's either that or hold your nose and vote for the Democrat -- just like NY-23 all over again....


< Message edited by Sanity -- 5/6/2011 6:15:01 PM >


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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:17:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I hate to tell you this, and perhaps you already know, but the conservatives on this site will say that everything you posted is false information created by the liberal media and liberals in general.


I'm well aware that the Teabaggers, Truthers Birthers, and Deathers are comprised essentially of the lowest morons, insane and racists who despite the evidence offered will never accept that a black man can legitimately be President of the United States.

And you are correct, people of those particular beliefs aren't going to be swayed by *any* argument. But everyone else ( the sane ones... ) see through their thinly-veiled bullshit at this point, and the Moderates will continue tossing the Teabaggers, Truthers, Birthers and Deathers out of the RNC. It's either that or hold your nose and vote for the Democrat -- just like NY-23 all over again....
Are you a Mod at teh Purple Palace?


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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:19:24 PM   
farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
Are you a Mod at teh Purple Palace?



Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:21:37 PM   
Hippiekinkster


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
Are you a Mod at teh Purple Palace?



Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

"Cause there's a Mod there from Albany with similar politics. Then again, you may be too right-wing.

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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:24:38 PM   
farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Dont forget the racers...

Those who believe anyone who disagrees with leftists has to be a racist.

Need I mention youre commenting on a thread thats primarily about a Condi Rice interview?

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I hate to tell you this, and perhaps you already know, but the conservatives on this site will say that everything you posted is false information created by the liberal media and liberals in general.


I'm well aware that the Teabaggers, Truthers Birthers, and Deathers are comprised essentially of the lowest morons, insane and racists who despite the evidence offered will never accept that a black man can legitimately be President of the United States.

And you are correct, people of those particular beliefs aren't going to be swayed by *any* argument. But everyone else ( the sane ones... ) see through their thinly-veiled bullshit at this point, and the Moderates will continue tossing the Teabaggers, Truthers, Birthers and Deathers out of the RNC. It's either that or hold your nose and vote for the Democrat -- just like NY-23 all over again....



I find it amusing that among the list of three attributes I had enumerated, you chose to frame your reply in the context of only one of them, and then using your limited, erroneous context to then reframe your reply as if the other two attributes, viz, "morons" and "insane", were omitted in their entirety.

Personally, I would never try to pigeon-hole anyone. They could be both a moron AND crazy. They could be crazy AND racist.

So, to summarize so that no-one comes away from your reply with the wrong idea, I've NEVER SUGGESTED that, and I quote you directly,

quote:


"...anyone who disagrees with leftists has to be a racist. "


That was never my intent. It's always been very clear that wasn't my intent, and I'm *insulted* you would think myself and everyone else here to be THAT STUPID to fall for such an amateurish trick.

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 5/6/2011 6:26:06 PM >


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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/6/2011 6:31:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
Are you a Mod at teh Purple Palace?



Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

"Cause there's a Mod there from Albany with similar politics. Then again, you may be too right-wing.


My politics would best be described as 'Wacky'. EVERYONE SUCKS. It's all a matter of finding some entertainment value out of pushing for the core values of Truth, Justice and The American Way...

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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/7/2011 3:26:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

And you are correct, people of those particular beliefs aren't going to be swayed by *any* argument. But everyone else ( the sane ones... ) see through their thinly-veiled bullshit at this point, and the Moderates will continue tossing the Teabaggers, Truthers, Birthers and Deathers out of the RNC. It's either that or hold your nose and vote for the Democrat -- just like NY-23 all over again....

Hello, Fargle, its been a while.

But you are still the same ole you, I see.

Since you didn't like Sanity's reply, let me help you see his point.

In your post, you have given an insulting label to anyone who disagrees with you.  You aren't interested in separating out the "moderates" from the "wackies".  Your only interest is in labeling any and all who do not agree with any and everything you believe as "outside the mainstream".

This is a typical ideologue's method to attempt to marginalize anyone who has a different opinion, regardless of what it is.

You make no effort to understand the issues, and why some might have disagreements: you simply find the most outrageous and offensive way to describe their beliefs in order to attempt to shut them up and have them sit down.  Like many here, you strawman them, and the issues, and then crow in self-righteousness and scream in vilification.

Kinda like certain politicians and political parties in Germany in the 30's, and the USSR for about 80 years.

In other words, while you call you those who disagree with you "Teabaggers, Truthers, Birthers and Deathers", you expose yourself as an ideologue, and a proponent of totalitarianism (in whatever flavor you happen lean today).

Good day to you.

Firm


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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/7/2011 3:53:53 PM   
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In other words, while you call you those who disagree with you "Teabaggers, Truthers, Birthers and Deathers"


No. I called the remaining extremist teabaggers, truthers, birthers and deathers one or more of (A) morons (B) insane or (C) racist.

If you're not holding onto the disproven hypotheses about Sovereign Citizenship and gold-fringed flags, that the US was responsible for 9/11, that Obama isn't legitimately the President of the United States or that Osama bin Ladin is still alive, then I don't see what your objection is...

The technical term for people who disagree with me is, "misinformed".





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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/7/2011 4:18:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

She was good at staying on her points but,a lot of rationalization for the waste of lives in the Iraq war. I wonder if they will ever admit just how wrong they were?

Yeah Mark because rape rooms, torture chambers, and genocide are GOOD things.


And how was that our responsibility to correct?

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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/7/2011 4:24:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

And you are correct, people of those particular beliefs aren't going to be swayed by *any* argument. But everyone else ( the sane ones... ) see through their thinly-veiled bullshit at this point, and the Moderates will continue tossing the Teabaggers, Truthers, Birthers and Deathers out of the RNC. It's either that or hold your nose and vote for the Democrat -- just like NY-23 all over again....

Hello, Fargle, its been a while.

But you are still the same ole you, I see.

Since you didn't like Sanity's reply, let me help you see his point.

In your post, you have given an insulting label to anyone who disagrees with you.  You aren't interested in separating out the "moderates" from the "wackies".  Your only interest is in labeling any and all who do not agree with any and everything you believe as "outside the mainstream".

This is a typical ideologue's method to attempt to marginalize anyone who has a different opinion, regardless of what it is.

You make no effort to understand the issues, and why some might have disagreements: you simply find the most outrageous and offensive way to describe their beliefs in order to attempt to shut them up and have them sit down.  Like many here, you strawman them, and the issues, and then crow in self-righteousness and scream in vilification.

Kinda like certain politicians and political parties in Germany in the 30's, and the USSR for about 80 years.

In other words, while you call you those who disagree with you "Teabaggers, Truthers, Birthers and Deathers", you expose yourself as an ideologue, and a proponent of totalitarianism (in whatever flavor you happen lean today).

Good day to you.

Firm



And the same ole Firm.

Still trying to pretend intellectual superiority.


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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/7/2011 5:06:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

And you are correct, people of those particular beliefs aren't going to be swayed by *any* argument. But everyone else ( the sane ones... ) see through their thinly-veiled bullshit at this point, and the Moderates will continue tossing the Teabaggers, Truthers, Birthers and Deathers out of the RNC. It's either that or hold your nose and vote for the Democrat -- just like NY-23 all over again....

Hello, Fargle, its been a while.

But you are still the same ole you, I see.

Since you didn't like Sanity's reply, let me help you see his point.

In your post, you have given an insulting label to anyone who disagrees with you.  You aren't interested in separating out the "moderates" from the "wackies".  Your only interest is in labeling any and all who do not agree with any and everything you believe as "outside the mainstream".

Actually he quite clearly seperates the moderates from the wackies. Why you choose to misrepresent his clear statement is an interesting question.

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RE: Condi Rice Schools Lawrence O'Donnell On Iraq - 5/7/2011 5:34:31 PM   
FirmhandKY


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

And the same ole Firm.

Still trying to pretend intellectual superiority.

I ask questions, and give opinions.  How that makes you feel it your concern, not mine.

The older I get the more I question just about everything, because what I've learned so far shows me how little I know.

But, truly, some posters really do know less than me.  Some really know more than me. 

Usually, it is the ones who scream the loudest, and insult the most, that I have found to be the least well-informed and the least rational.

Firm


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