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Well, the profit motive DID get things done. Unfortunately, they were not optimal for the consumer.

Still, in a centralized economy where the state owns the means of production, the businesses would likely die. I prefer capitalism, warts and all.

In a centralized economy where the state owns the means of production do you think illegals would be a factor???that may be one of the upsides of a centralized economy. You will note the only times that s. korea's production falters is when they are overcome with a temporary infatuation with democracy.

Um... do you mean to say South Korea has a centralized economy?  I thought they were capitalistically-inclined.  North Korea of course has a centralized economy, but nobody would point to them as any kind of good example.

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Um... do you mean to say South Korea has a centralized economy? I thought they were capitalistically-inclined. North Korea of course has a centralized economy, but nobody would point to them as any kind of good example.

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I personally don't know because I'm not an expert on immigration but I assumed if it was written by a UCLA professor and published in a well-known LA weekly publication by somebody named Wilson that it had some merit. I thought it was reasonable to assume what he is saying is true.

Oh yeah, that's what I look for in an article; "Hmmm, ..."Johnson",....close but he's no "WILSON."
Brain, just for future referance *ANY* article like that that presumes to tell us "how bad" things will get if we deport illegal aliens you have to assume that they have an agenda going into it.
Any "figures" that they make up will of course support their position.
And Steven's right, how do you come up with "figures" about what may or may not happen in the future and to what extent?

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The problem with this as related to the OP is that it assumes that none of each of those 16k's would be paid to someone else. The net of what an illegal contributes to the economy that would not be replaced by some other worker/consumer is miniscule compared to what they cost in education expenses alone.

Education is funded by property tax...unless you live under a bridge you pay property tax. If as tazz says "they" live six to an apartment then"they" obviously do not have kids and thus contributors to a money pool that" they" do not draw from. If on the other hand "they" have kids in school "they" are paying for that with their property taxes. You argument about educational expenses just does not stand up to scrutny.

I dont know or give a shit what state you live in but the LA USD receives most of its revenues from the State, not from property taxes. (nearly 5 billion, compared to less than 1 billion from Federal and Local combined).


This says your numbers are off by quite a bit

http://www.ed-data.k12.ca.us/articles/article.asp?title=Guide%20to%20California%20School%20Finance%20System



THE SOURCES OF FUNDING FOR SCHOOLS



• Funds from the federal government are about 13% of the K-12 education budget.

• About 55% of the total comes from the state’s budget: business, corporate and personal income taxes, sales taxes, and some special taxes.

• Local property taxes are about 22%, an amount that is determined within the state’s budget.

It is pretty obvious that illegals pay sales tax and as to personal income tax they are liable for it and their employers are responsible for withholding it...if they do not it is a crime of the employer not the employee.
I want them to go home... but... they pay for those educational services that you decry that they drain.





Your analysis is also horseshit. To the extent that multiple families live in a single family unit, they are underpaying property taxes as well.

I believe we were speaking of multiple individuals occupying a family unit...not at all unlike college students who will rent a large house and have a herd of roommates.
In my experience non related families seldom occupy the same living space...so your argument about "underpaying" property tax is groundless unless you wish to take aim at college students also?

And that "'they" obviously do not have kids" is so asinine it barely deserves comment.

If you have six guys living in a three bedroom apt. where are you going to put children...children live with their families not in "man caves"

Your intellectual capabilities do not stand up to scrutIny.

Perhaps you should look closer?